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 Post subject: The best Torture
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:05 am 
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folks,

I'd like your opinions on the best available live version of The Torture Never Stops.

And please say why....is it the best solo, best vocal, the whole band on great form etc etc?

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:20 pm 
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For me, it's the one on YCDTOSA Vol 1. Great solo, and it just has a, I don't know, a mood that's better than all the other versions.

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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02-15-1978 Berlin which includes the uncut Rat Tomago.

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Jayp beat me to this one. Absolutely 2-15-78 w/ Rat Tomago. Balls!

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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Sigh. Now I gotta go find this.

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I don't really like the 'zoot allures' version. too much screaming.

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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My favourite is Zoot Allures. I love the bassiness of it all. It's bare essentials on that one, on later versions like Best Band there's the added doodoo-daludaDOO, which don't compliment the song much. And the Beefheart torture is interesting but it lasts way too long.
What's left is the Ike Willis one on ThingFish. I love Willis but I don't like the accent much, too distracting.

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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Thanks folks

I've got the YCDTOSA, and it is indeed brilliant.
Zoot Allures - good, but not brilliant, imo.

Trying to track down the Berlin boot, sounds very interesting. Will probably to to pick up the Thingfish too.

Thanks a lot, and any new contenders welcome.


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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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jaypfunk wrote:
02-15-1978 Berlin which includes the uncut Rat Tomago.

/thread!!

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14279&hilit=berlin

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BBP wrote:
[...]the Beefheart torture is interesting but it lasts way too long.[...]
forgot to mention that's my favorite version.

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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I love the Zoot Allures one, and the new ZPZ (return of the son of) Version. I loved the last ZPZ one aswell.

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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jaypfunk wrote:
02-15-1978 Berlin which includes the uncut Rat Tomago.

/thread!!



Got it!

wow, just wow. Outstanding stuff.

Thanks for the tip!


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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llTdQ0yRPqM
Frank Zappa - The Torture Never Stops (Berlin 02-15-1978) Ex Soundboard

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It,s not as good as all of them :D

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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calvin2hikers wrote:
For me, it's the one on YCDTOSA Vol 1. Great solo, and it just has a, I don't know, a mood that's better than all the other versions.


I don´t think the solo is that great. I´ve heard much better "Torture" Solos.


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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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BBP wrote:
My favourite is Zoot Allures. I love the bassiness of it all. It's bare essentials on that one, on later versions like Best Band there's the added doodoo-daludaDOO, which don't compliment the song much. And the Beefheart torture is interesting but it lasts way too long.
What's left is the Ike Willis one on ThingFish. I love Willis but I don't like the accent much, too distracting.

I agree with this. I could do without the screams on the Zoot Allures version, but that performance really does capture the perfect atmosphere for the song. The Best Band and Thing-Fish versions are fun and enjoyable, but they lose the entire evil mood of the Zoot version.


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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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The Zoot Allures studio version is unforgettable, but the long workout on Buffalo deserves a mention, too.

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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neeeh... i love berlin 78 concert, but torture is nothin' special...

vol 1 for me... i must agree too much screaming on zoot alures

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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The 88 tour version. I like how he suddenly changes everything for a couple of minutes. And when he sings in that demented voice: ALLLLLL MENNNNN BEEEEE CURSED.... Cracks me up every time. This version doesn't have the best solo ever though. There are too many great solos that sprang from that song, I can't decide.

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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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The last 1980 show at San Diego - that's the best Torture I've ever heard (so far out they don't even return to the head at the end!)


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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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madcow1515 wrote:
BBP wrote:
My favourite is Zoot Allures. I love the bassiness of it all. It's bare essentials on that one, on later versions like Best Band there's the added doodoo-daludaDOO, which don't compliment the song much. And the Beefheart torture is interesting but it lasts way too long.
What's left is the Ike Willis one on ThingFish. I love Willis but I don't like the accent much, too distracting.

I agree with this. I could do without the screams on the Zoot Allures version, but that performance really does capture the perfect atmosphere for the song. The Best Band and Thing-Fish versions are fun and enjoyable, but they lose the entire evil mood of the Zoot version.

I like the original on ZA the best screams and all (I know the question was about best live version). I never liked the live arrangement as much even though there are many great versions with many great solos.


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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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 Post subject: Re: The best Torture
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I do love the one on Buffalo, with compression and all. The bass on there sounds almost like a reggae dub, which isn't such a bad thing when you've grown up with Public Image Ltd and Jah Wobble. There's a sick phasing effect just at the beginning of Frank's first guitar solo (yes, this is the one with TWO big guitar excursions + the keyboard playfulness). Do you know if the effect comes from the tapes, or is it Filipetti's invention? There's some phasing a couple of times on HO HO HO also, but not as prominent as here. I don't know if this is the best Torture, but it's pretty goddamn satisfying!

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