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*special mention to Buddy Holly and the Crickets as one of the first power trios...to show that it actually could be done.


Gee, I dunno if Buddy Holly and the Crickets qualify as a power trio.
Just because there are only three members doesn't exactly qualify a band as a power trio.
If it did, by that logic you'd have to throw in Jonny Cash & The Tennessee Two :wink:


Right on.

I mention Buddy simply for being one of the first successful trios in the world of rock, as well as putting the guitar out there in front of the band as a lead instrument instead of in the background strumming away in the shadows. Ok its not what some would call "rock" in the current sense of the word, but I'm sure they inspired others to start small combos.

And why not throw Johnny Cash in there with his early band? I don't mind. Maybe his band predated The Crickets.
It might not have been fancy but it wasn't ment to be.

After all, enough people thought he made an impact to put him in the rock & roll hall of fame ( maybe that wouln't have happened without the Tenessee Two.)

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A power trio cannot have more than three members. Hence the description. Therefore, the Who and Led Zeppelin doesn't count.

Nitpicking? Fer sure... 8)

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Milton Bradley wrote:
BillyDaMt wrote:
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*special mention to Buddy Holly and the Crickets as one of the first power trios...to show that it actually could be done.


Gee, I dunno if Buddy Holly and the Crickets qualify as a power trio.
Just because there are only three members doesn't exactly qualify a band as a power trio.
If it did, by that logic you'd have to throw in Jonny Cash & The Tennessee Two :wink:


Right on.

I mention Buddy simply for being one of the first successful trios in the world of rock, as well as putting the guitar out there in front of the band as a lead instrument instead of in the background strumming away in the shadows. Ok its not what some would call "rock" in the current sense of the word, but I'm sure they inspired others to start small combos.

And why not throw Johnny Cash in there with his early band? I don't mind. Maybe his band predated The Crickets.
It might not have been fancy but it wasn't ment to be.

After all, enough people thought he made an impact to put him in the rock & roll hall of fame ( maybe that wouln't have happened without the Tenessee Two.)


Yeah I hear you on the impact that Buddy Holly & The Crickets had on
the world of rock.
They inspired the Beatles and a bunch of other great bands.
I was really just scoffing a lil at them as a power trio. Not as an important trio.
The first three that come to mind when I think of the concept of a power trio is JHE/Band Of Gypsies, Cream, Rush
Johnny Cash & The Tennessee Two was just an attempt to show what else could be thrown out there
as a power trio if we were to think of Buddy Holly & The Crickets as one.
Actually, I think the mere fact that Johnny Cash & The Tennessee Two consisted of two guitar players and a stand-up bass,
and no drummer removes them from the catagory all together.

Now if this were a thread of Important trio's...
as you said.
Right on :D

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I'm with you lumpy, Trio meens THREE, So Mike Keneally, Chad Wackerman, Doug Lunn ,OR, Mike Keneally, Beller, Slick!!!


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In no particular order my choices are...

1) Grand Funk Railroad
2) Motorhead
3) Mountain


uhm... Mountain was never a trio, I don't think.
They had a keyboard player, whose name was Steve Knight. He never got any solos to speak of, though...



Leslie West mentioned that the only reason they added Steve Knight was to seperate themsleves from and to avoid Cream comparisons. Leslie aslo said that Knight was a worthless asshole. hahahahaaaaaaaaa

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Negative on the S knight thing, he did play with mountain but not in the beginning, I saw mountain in 69, and it was THREE, the were great Felix was a monster


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Maybe I got lucky to see mountain without Knight,... but get the cd Got Blooze, Leslie West, Aynsley Dunbar, Tim Bogert!!!


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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
A power trio cannot have more than three members. Hence the description. Therefore, the Who and Led Zeppelin doesn't count.

Nitpicking? Fer sure... 8)

Seriously nitpicking if the only addition is vocals.

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Milton Bradley wrote:
In no particular order my choices are...
1) Grand Funk Railroad
2) Motorhead
3) Mountain

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uhm... Mountain was never a trio, I don't think.
They had a keyboard player, whose name was Steve Knight. He never got any solos to speak of, though...

jaypfunk wrote:
Leslie West mentioned that the only reason they added Steve Knight was to seperate themsleves from and to avoid Cream comparisons. Leslie aslo said that Knight was a worthless asshole. hahahahaaaaaaaaa


Ha. Didn't know that, but it explains his VERY anonymous role then.

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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
A power trio cannot have more than three members. Hence the description. Therefore, the Who and Led Zeppelin doesn't count.
Nitpicking? Fer sure... 8)

polydigm wrote:
Seriously nitpicking if the only addition is vocals.


Well, call them Power Quartets then. 8)

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A power trio cannot have more than three members. Hence the description. Therefore, the Who and Led Zeppelin doesn't count.
Nitpicking? Fer sure... 8)

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Seriously nitpicking if the only addition is vocals.


Well, call them Power Quartets then. 8)

The point is about the sound combination of one lead guitarist, one bass guitarist and one drummer. If I wanted to assemble a power trio but neither of us could sing, then adding a separate vocalist is hardly changing the power trio texture.

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but why not create an instrumental power trio?


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BillyDaMt wrote:
Milton Bradley wrote:
BillyDaMt wrote:
Milton Bradley wrote:

*special mention to Buddy Holly and the Crickets as one of the first power trios...to show that it actually could be done.


Gee, I dunno if Buddy Holly and the Crickets qualify as a power trio.
Just because there are only three members doesn't exactly qualify a band as a power trio.
If it did, by that logic you'd have to throw in Jonny Cash & The Tennessee Two :wink:


Right on.

I mention Buddy simply for being one of the first successful trios in the world of rock, as well as putting the guitar out there in front of the band as a lead instrument instead of in the background strumming away in the shadows. Ok its not what some would call "rock" in the current sense of the word, but I'm sure they inspired others to start small combos.

And why not throw Johnny Cash in there with his early band? I don't mind. Maybe his band predated The Crickets.
It might not have been fancy but it wasn't ment to be.

After all, enough people thought he made an impact to put him in the rock & roll hall of fame ( maybe that wouln't have happened without the Tenessee Two.)


Yeah I hear you on the impact that Buddy Holly & The Crickets had on
the world of rock.
They inspired the Beatles and a bunch of other great bands.
I was really just scoffing a lil at them as a power trio. Not as an important trio.
The first three that come to mind when I think of the concept of a power trio is JHE/Band Of Gypsies, Cream, Rush
Johnny Cash & The Tennessee Two was just an attempt to show what else could be thrown out there
as a power trio if we were to think of Buddy Holly & The Crickets as one.
Actually, I think the mere fact that Johnny Cash & The Tennessee Two consisted of two guitar players and a stand-up bass,
and no drummer removes them from the catagory all together.

Now if this were a thread of Important trio's...
as you said.
Right on :D


Point taken, Billy :wink:

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Aybe Sea wrote:
but why not create an instrumental power trio?


Here it is:

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Alan Evans: drums
Eric Krasno: guitar
Neil Evans: Hammond B 3 organ, bass keys, clavinet

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Aybe Sea wrote:
but why not create an instrumental power trio?

Well, I like writing songs and not just instrumentals, but that's not the point.

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By the way, what about the early Soft Machine circa 1967-9? They sure as hell were a sort of a power trio as well: fuzz organ+bass+drums. Mike Ratledge could blow most guitarists away with his fierce organ solos. Listen to "Live at the Paradiso 1969" to see what i mean. Fuzz bass and fuzz organ are so intense you hardly think about the absense of guitar.

For Krautrock enthusiasts: Ash Ra Tempel's first album has classic power trio line up! Manuel Göttsching on guitar, Hartmut Enke on bass and Klaus Schulze is the drummer.


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polydigm wrote:
The point is about the sound combination of one lead guitarist, one bass guitarist and one drummer. If I wanted to assemble a power trio but neither of us could sing, then adding a separate vocalist is hardly changing the power trio texture.


Yes, it does. You would bring in a fourth member, making your band a quartet.

In all the years I've been listening to, and following, rock music, I have never, ever seen either The Who or Led Zeppelin being described as Power Trios. What would Daltrey and Plant have to say about that?

The classic definition of a power trio is a three-piece band, who, between them, handles guitar, bass, drums and vocals. And they play a blues based heavy rock.

Now, ok, this is the year 2006, we're on the Zappa Forum, and anything goes. So, whatever. But, don't try to make the Who or Zeppelin trios.

With that definition you support, even the Doors could be labeled a Power Trio...

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Speaking of jazz power trios, I can't wait to hear The Trio Of Doom(McLaughlin/Jaco/Tony Williams). JM is preparing their '79 studio sessions for a fall '06 release. I read it at abstractlogix.com


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(jazz/other)
Medeski Martin & Wood


I'd second that Fred, they're great. 8)

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I'm thinking of checking out Massacre (avant). Fred Frith was in it. Anyone familiar with that avant power trio?


I own Killing Time and would recommend it. Came out around '81 or so. Avant metal type stuff. A lot of improv, I don't think you'd be disappointed.

Frith - gtr
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I'd second that Fred, they're great. 8)


I've been wanting to check these guys out for awhile. Can y'all recommend something?

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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
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The point is about the sound combination of one lead guitarist, one bass guitarist and one drummer. If I wanted to assemble a power trio but neither of us could sing, then adding a separate vocalist is hardly changing the power trio texture.

Yes, it does. You would bring in a fourth member, making your band a quartet ... Now, ok, this is the year 2006, we're on the Zappa Forum, and anything goes. So, whatever. But, don't try to make the Who or Zeppelin trios ...

It's not intended to broaden the definition, but broaden the discussion. I don't want to refer to Led Zeppelin or the Who as power trios. I'm talking about what it sounds like to me. Other than knowing that I'm listening to four guys rather than three the effect is the same. My point is that if you like the power trio sound then don't overlook bands who's fourth member is a vocalist.

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