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It is just 'cause I've read that somewhere the other day, just minutes after having this idea crossing my mind:

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I still think he was a CIA hit, using their little radioactive particle tech in his food to create his cancer. Funny how guys like Frank and Bill Hicks die of cancer young while scumbags like Falwell live forever, while smoking and drinking twice as much.
Speaking of scumbags, fuck that fuckin' Tipper fuckin' Gore!! Anyone remember the PMRC that Frank spent so much time testifying against, and helped stop? Tippy ho is a bitch from HELL!!! Al can kiss my ass for marrying that phony cunt! And then when that scheme tanked, they pose for pictures with the Grateful Dead, master drug fiends!
Lick my zircon-encrusted asshole, Tipper!!
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Many will discard such an idea as 'implausable'.

The termination of political individuals is not rare in
American history.
Zappa became overtly vocal politically
in the 1980's. I stand to be corrected, but I recall FZ himself
was aware that his late 1980's political delivery was being
monitored by the American secret services.

Bill Hicks, the stand up comic GreenGenes mentions
was also being overtly critical
of American political institutions around the same time.
He too expired soon after reaching a platform of influence.

I don't underestimate the idea that someone, somewhere,
may have decided that FZ was a threat.
In American historical fashion, it would be normal to extinguish
an individual to preserve the political elite's position of power.

I quote FZ himself 'While I was down in W.D.C, certain folks were not glad to see me..'


I dont think FZ was really prevalent enough to be considered a serious threat by the CIA. Although he was dealing with Havel for awhile--didn't the government somehow end up barring him from doing that? So why go ahead and kill him?

I think Kayak said it best:

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Heavy smoker.
Poor nutrition.
Lack of exercise.
Medical incompetence.

Put those together and you have...a government plot.

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None would suspect the death of a heavy smoking
under exercised, poorly fed individual through cancer
as murder, if his name was Bob Kowalski,
an insurance salesman from Lancaster CA.

The similar natural demise of
a successful businessman with a recorded
history of social comment who became
a politically scathing public figure with an
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Many will discard such an idea as 'implausable'.

The termination of political individuals is not rare in
American history.
Zappa became overtly vocal politically
in the 1980's. I stand to be corrected, but I recall FZ himself
was aware that his late 1980's political delivery was being
monitored by the American secret services.

Bill Hicks, the stand up comic GreenGenes mentions
was also being overtly critical
of American political institutions around the same time.
He too expired soon after reaching a platform of influence.

I don't underestimate the idea that someone, somewhere,
may have decided that FZ was a threat.
In American historical fashion, it would be normal to extinguish
an individual to preserve the political elite's position of power.

I quote FZ himself 'While I was down in W.D.C, certain folks were not glad to see me..'


I dont think FZ was really prevalent enough to be considered a serious threat by the CIA. Although he was dealing with Havel for awhile--didn't the government somehow end up barring him from doing that? So why go ahead and kill him?

I think Kayak said it best:

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Heavy smoker.
Poor nutrition.
Lack of exercise.
Medical incompetence.

Put those together and you have...a government plot.
We're all very stupid and very well mind-controlled. The four ingredients listed by Kayak do not add up to causality and no forensic pathologist would take the four and feel comfortable in treating them as though they were as causal as a bullet. None would dismiss it but none could possibly treat it as a more than theoretical possibility.

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maybe stockhausen poisoned zappa...

:arrow: ..Zappa in Darmstadt?

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maybe stockhausen poisoned zappa...

:arrow: ..Zappa in Darmstadt?


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[...] fuck that fuckin' Tipper fuckin' Gore!! Anyone remember the PMRC that Frank spent so much time testifying against, and helped stop? Tippy ho is a bitch from HELL!!! Al can kiss my ass for marrying that phony cunt!.


So, you got the idea that its possible that Frank was murdered from an idiot who thinks that Al "The Planet Is Going To Swallow Us Whole" Gore is any less of a fuckin' phony than Tipper? :roll:

Lay off the conspiracy theorist horseshit. It's a waste of time. I cringe every time I see someone mumble that if the U.S. ever elected a decent president like Ron Paul, they'd be assassinated immediately after being sworn in. When you have no facts to fall back on, regurgitating crazy is a waste of time.

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Ron Paul came in second in Nevada yet the main stream media refuses to even talk about it.

We don't elect them the Media does,

mother fuckers!

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There is no change without action. If the media will not cover Paul and Gravel, go around town, knock down doors, get people the hell away from their TV sets, tell them what issues these candidates are for. Tell them that candidates such as Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Kucinich, Giuliani, Huckabee, McCain, Romney and Thompson are not at all concerned with the middle class, the lower class. They favor the select American instead of the All-American.

Let them know that there are candidates out there that will focus on their needs. Ask them if they are a Republican or a Democrat. If they are a Democrat, tell them about Mike Gravel and focus specifically on issues that liberals identify with. If they are a Republican, tell them about Ron Paul and exclude political ideologies that might make a Right-winger think that he is Left.

Fight for change. Change some votes. If one does not wish to change their vote because it would seemingly take away votes from their favorite candidate, explain to them that this country needs to be put into the hands of someone who can improve things. There is no need to vote for some guy who you know is not in it for the country's best interests.

So many people voted for John Kerry because they felt that they had no choice, when in fact, there were choices, in fact, most of these choices were guys that weren't exactly like Bush. The same thing is happening now. You put Bush in a dress and you've got Hilary. Actually, Bush is essentially Clinton with a straw up his nose instead of a joint in his mouth and an intern on his dick. Pretty much every candidate, Democrat or Republican, is apeing previous candidates.

We are not going to get anywhere if we keep voting for the same person over and over again. Change requires actual change, not slapping a mask on the same guy over and over again. We are knee-deep in an unnecessary war against Iraq, and our drug prohibition laws are long overdue for change. Our prison system has to be cleared out for the really dangerous criminals, and we need to spend money on educating people on the actual dangers of drug use instead of the usual outdated Reefer Madness-esque theoretic propaganda about how marijuana is corrupting our youth. (I.E., that commercial where the two idiots are too stoned to know how to handle a firearm, and blow each others' faces off.)

Fight for change.

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I tell people all the time but I can tell that most of them are so brainwashed they will forget in a matter of hours.

Americans are really stupid people.

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No, they aren't. They just get confused sometimes. You have to make it clear to them that voting for a major candidate of their party will not work. Also, get them to tell everyone they know about the alternatives. And so on for their friends, the friends of their friends, etc.

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Are you even old enough to vote yet?

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I will be legally 18 on the 15th. But I've felt it since ever.

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Lately I've been reading a book called "First Man: The Life Of Neil A. Armstrong." It's his only authorized biography.

In the late 50s and early 60s Armstrong was part of the X-15 program, which was run out of Edwards Air Force Base. Armstrong and his family lived in a cabin on the outskirts of Lancaster (that is, within a mile or two of the Zappa family).

The Armstrongs had a daughter named Karen. She was born in 1959, and died just short of her third birthday of a massive brain tumor. A family friend named Grace Walker says in the book that there were a lot of cancer cases in the Lancaster area during that time. She suggests that there may have been a connection to the above-ground nuclear testing that was happening about a hundred miles away.

Frank Zappa spent most of his teenage years in this same environment. There's no way to prove that his prostate cancer was connected to it, but my guess is that it's far more likely than the insinuation that he was murdered.

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Isaac wrote:
I will be legally 18 on the 15th. But I've felt it since ever.

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What?! I thought you were 30... Nevermind.

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I will be legally 18 on the 15th. But I've felt it since ever.

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Cool!

Yea I figured you were getting real close. So you won't be able to vote in your primary though will you? or did you mean this month?

At least you will for the main one either way.

That Zappa/Paul youtube video just proves how the MSM tries it's damndest not to listen to smart people like Frank And Ron.

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Actually he is live on an Island off of France. He shares a condo with
Jim Morrison, Hendrix and Janis Joplin... :roll:


and Cobain and the ghost of Andy Gibb :wink:

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Eric Vaxxine wrote:
Many will discard such an idea as 'implausable'.

The termination of political individuals is not rare in
American history.
Zappa became overtly vocal politically
in the 1980's. I stand to be corrected, but I recall FZ himself
was aware that his late 1980's political delivery was being
monitored by the American secret services.

Bill Hicks, the stand up comic GreenGenes mentions
was also being overtly critical
of American political institutions around the same time.
He too expired soon after reaching a platform of influence.

I don't underestimate the idea that someone, somewhere,
may have decided that FZ was a threat.
In American historical fashion, it would be normal to extinguish
an individual to preserve the political elite's position of power.

I quote FZ himself 'While I was down in W.D.C, certain folks were not glad to see me..'



But if you consider the relative size of the group who could be construed as followers of Frank, his audience was not exactly large enough to pose any type of organized threat. I think they make up in intensity for what they lack in numbers, but I don't see his influence as being that much of a menace to the powers that be. I'm sure had the authorities evaluated his fan base we likely came off as a collection of oddballs and miscreants. How many people considered him a comedy rock act and never got past Yellow Snow or Dynamo Hum? NOTE: I am not saying this is how I view the fan base!!!!! I know better!! If Frank had a message I took it to be "be yourself." and not to follow trends or leaders and always question those who make the rules. During the PMRC hearings he walked into the spotlight that was already in place on the hearings because of the issue at stake - censorship; the spotlight wasn't really on him already. I think John Q Public expected an incoherent, inarticulate babbling fool when he presented himself. I think that most citizens (used in the old school biker sense) didn't really know much about him other than the Urban Legend garbage about him we have all heard. What they saw and heard was so far from their expectations that he did rise to the level of public figure for awhile. His relationship with Mr. Havel (?) where Frank was offered a Government position as Minister of Trade with the US or whatever it was was based on artistic admiration more than political acuity, methinks. James Baker III squashed that in a hurry. If memory serves, when Frank passed away the cancer had been active for some 10 years. That means he first developed it in his late thirties or early forties. Prostrate cancer isn't even looked for in men until they reach 50. I don't think the typical male even gets an annual physical much less requests the finger wave if it isn't part of the exam. I crossed that bridge to .5 centuries old a few years ago and was checked for the first time. I think he just got blindsided by a disease he shouldn't have developed when he was as young as he was when he got it.

I don't know that much about Bill Hicks so I reserve comment.

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I can't believe that some of you don't question some things in life. How the fuck did you end up getting into Frank if you're not even slightly sceptical?


er, for me it was the Freak Out! album cover art that got me to buy the record and then the music contained therein hooked me. This was at age 16 in 1969 before being skeptical was of much importance in my life. For many years I didn't know a thing about Frank Zappa other than what was contained in the hard to find records of his I so craved. I knew what he looked like, too. I had been a fan for at least a decade before I learned anything about the man. I don't see what being skeptical has to do with "getting into" him. He was, after all, a muscian and composer first. Ah well, something to contemplate to help me fall asleep later tonight... :P

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A radioactive source was only an example. A possible culprit. There are N carcinogenic frightening little substances known to science:

Acetaldehyde
2-Acetylaminofluorene
Acrylamide
Acrylonitrile
Aldrin
4-Aminodiphenyl
Amitrole
Aniline and homologs
o-Anisidine
p-Anisidine
Arsenic and inorganic arsenic compounds
Arsine
Asbestos
Asphalt fumes
Benzene
Benzidine
Benzidine-based dyes
Beryllium
Butadiene
tert-Butyl chromate; class, chromium hexavalent
Cadmium dust and fume
Captafol
Captan
Carbon black (exceeding 0.1% PAHs)
Carbon tetrachloride
Chlordane
Chlorinated camphene
Chlorodiphenyl (42% chlorine); class polychlorinated biphenyls
Chlorodiphenyl (54% chlorine); class polychlorinated biphenyls
Chloroform
Chloromethyl methyl ether
bis(Chloromethyl) ether
B-Chloroprene
Chromium, hexavalent [Cr(VI)]
Chromyl chloride; class, chromium hexavalent
Chrysene
Coal tar pitch volatiles; class, coal tar products
Coke oven emissions
DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane)
Di-2-ethylhexyl phthalate (DEHP)
2,4-Diaminoanisoleo
o-Dianisidine-based dyes
1,2-Dibromo-3-chloropropane (DBCP)
Dichloroacetylene
p-Dichlorobenzene
3,3'-Dichlorobenzidine
Dichloroethyl ether
1,3-Dichloropropene
Dieldrin
Diesel exhaust
Diglycidyl ether (DGE); class, glycidyl ethers
4-Dimethylaminoazobenzene
Dimethyl carbomoyl chloride
1,1-Dimethylhydrazine; class, hydrazines
Dimethyl sulfate
Dinitrotoluene
Dioxane
Environmental tobacco smoke
Epichlorohydrin
Ethyl acrylate
Ethylene dibromide
Ehtylene dichloride
Ethylene oxide
Ethyleneimine
Ethylene thiourea
Formaldehyde
Gallium arsenide
Gasoline
Heptachlor
Hexachlorobutadiene
Hexachloroethane
Hexamethyl phosphoric triamide (HMPA)
Hydrazine
Kepone
Malonaldehyde
Methoxychlor
Methyl bromide; class, monohalomethanes
Methyl chloride
Methyl iodide; class, monohalomethanes
Methyl hydrazine; class, hydrazines
4,4'-Methylenebis(2-chloroaniline) (MBOCA)
Methylene chloride
4,4-Methylenedianiline (MDA)
a-Naphylamine
B-Naphylamine
Nickel, metal, soluble, insoluble, and inorganic; class, nickel, inorganic
Nickel carbonyl
Nickel sulfide roasting
4-Nitrobiphenyl
p-Nitrochlorobenzene
2-Nitronaphthalene
2-Nitropropane
N-Nitrosodimethylamine
Pentachloroethane; class, chloroethanes
N-Phenyl-b-naphthylamine; class, b-naphthalene
Phenyl glycidyl ether; class, glycidyl ethers
Phenylhydrazine; class, hydrazines
Propane Sultone
B-Propiolactone
Propylene dichloride
Proplyene imine
Propylene oxide
Radon
Rosin core solder, pyrolysis products (containing formaldehyde)
Silica, crystalline cristobalite
Silica, crystalline quartz
Silica, crystalline tripoli
Silica, crystalline tridymite
silica, fused
Soapstone, total dust silicates
Tremolite silicates
2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (TCDD) (dioxin)
1,1,2,2-Tetrachloroethane
Tetrachloroethylene
Titanium dioxide
o-Tolidine-based dyes
o-Tolidine
Toluene diisocyanate (TDI)
Toluene diamine (TDA)
o-Toluidine
p-Toluidine
1,1,2-Trichloroethane; class, chloroethanes
Trichloroethylene
1,2,3-Trichloropropane
Uranium, insoluble compounds Uranium, soluble compounds
Vinyl bromide; class, vinyl halides
Vinyl chloride
Vinyl cyclohexene dioxide
Vinylidene chloride (1,1-dichloroethylene); class, vinyl halides)
Welding fumes, total particulates
Wood dust
Zinc chromate; class, chromium hexavalent


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There is no change without action. If the media will not cover Paul and Gravel, go around town, knock on doors, get people the hell away from their TV sets, tell them what issues these candidates are for. Tell them that candidates such as Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Kucinich, Giuliani, Huckabee, McCain, Romney and Thompson are not at all concerned with the middle class, the lower class. They favor the select American instead of the All-American.

Let them know that there are candidates out there that will focus on their needs. Ask them if they are a Republican or a Democrat. If they are a Democrat, tell them about Mike Gravel and focus specifically on issues that liberals identify with. If they are a Republican, tell them about Ron Paul and exclude political ideologies that might make a Right-winger think that he is Left.


Fight for change. Change some votes. If one does not wish to change their vote because it would seemingly take away votes from their favorite candidate, explain to them that this country needs to be put into the hands of someone who can improve things. There is no need to vote for some guy who you know is not in it for the country's best interests.

So many people voted for John Kerry because they felt that they had no choice, when in fact, there were choices, in fact, most of these choices were guys that weren't exactly like Bush. The same thing is happening now. You put Bush in a dress and you've got Hilary. Actually, Bush is essentially Clinton with a straw up his nose instead of a joint in his mouth and an intern on his dick. Pretty much every candidate, Democrat or Republican, is apeing previous candidates.

We are not going to get anywhere if we keep voting for the same person over and over again. Change requires actual change, not slapping a mask on the same guy over and over again. We are knee-deep in an unnecessary war against Iraq, and our drug prohibition laws are long overdue for change. Our prison system has to be cleared out for the really dangerous criminals, and we need to spend money on educating people on the actual dangers of drug use instead of the usual outdated Reefer Madness-esque theoretic propaganda about how marijuana is corrupting our youth. (I.E., that commercial where the two idiots are too stoned to know how to handle a firearm, and blow each others' faces off.)

Fight for change.

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This may be a bit off topic but I have to say this- I really wish that the people who think Ron Paul is the only hope our country has would take the time to educate themselves on Libertarian theory. I heard an interview with Ron Paul on Air America radio and what he said convinced me he is not the man we want to run this country. If anyone wants a copy of the audio file from the interview PM me and I'll email it to you. It's from an AM broadcast so it's a bit noisy. I lost the original XM one in a hard drive crash and a memeber of another forum supplied it to me. Let me also say this - to blindly accept Ron Paul is the type of thing Zappa warned against. Please understand that I have no issues with Ron Paul as a person- I like the guy. It's what he stands for beyond ending the war, NAFTA et al. and the Patriot Act that I find worrisome. I heard it put best like this: Libertarianism is Anarchy for Rich People. As I put it once, Ron Paul's beliefs as a Republican are akin to getting a talking monkey as a pet. He's amusing at first but will still tear down all your curtains and shit all over your carpets in the end.

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Lately I've been reading a book called "First Man: The Life Of Neil A. Armstrong." It's his only authorized biography.

In the late 50s and early 60s Armstrong was part of the X-15 program, which was run out of Edwards Air Force Base. Armstrong and his family lived in a cabin on the outskirts of Lancaster (that is, within a mile or two of the Zappa family).

The Armstrongs had a daughter named Karen. She was born in 1959, and died just short of her third birthday of a massive brain tumor. A family friend named Grace Walker says in the book that there were a lot of cancer cases in the Lancaster area during that time. She suggests that there may have been a connection to the above-ground nuclear testing that was happening about a hundred miles away.

Frank Zappa spent most of his teenage years in this same environment. There's no way to prove that his prostate cancer was connected to it, but my guess is that it's far more likely than the insinuation that he was murdered.


In one of the books about him I remember reading that he had radio active pellets placed up his nose in his sinus cavities when he was a youngster. It was a treatment for allergies or something. Perhaps someone else remembers better than I.

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jimmyzen wrote:
As I put it once, Ron Paul's beliefs as a Republican are akin to getting a talking monkey as a pet. He's amusing at first but will still tear down all your curtains and shit all over your carpets in the end.


Hahaha, awesome post. :D

I'd be interested in said audio file. 8)

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