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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:25 pm 
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manichispanic wrote:
first rock double album
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Bob Dylan's "Blonde on Blonde" came out 2 months before "Freak Out".
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is blonde on blonde a ROCK record?

sure it is.

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Eric Vaxxine wrote:
FZ might be the first rap artist.

The song intro to 'I Am The slime' is a rap!
A vocal rhyme over a backing groove.

Speed it up....and it is fittingly modern.

What do you think?



I also believe this to be true and lets not forget that 2 other songs on "Overnight Sensation" would also fall into the rap catagory. I once read somewhere that Frank refered to this music style as "Speak Music", does anyone know the interview I am talking about, it has been many years since I have seen this?

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Plook wrote:
Eric Vaxxine wrote:
FZ might be the first rap artist.

The song intro to 'I Am The slime' is a rap!
A vocal rhyme over a backing groove.

Speed it up....and it is fittingly modern.

What do you think?



I also believe this to be true and lets not forget that 2 other songs on "Overnight Sensation" would also fall into the rap catagory. I once read somewhere that Frank refered to this music style as "Speak Music", does anyone know the interview I am talking about, it has been many years since I have seen this?

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On the classic albums dvd of "over-nite/apostrophe" there is a brief interview where FZ explains why he preferred to "speak" a complex lyrical idea rather than sing it.


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Plook wrote:
First musician to sue a country (and won if i am not mistaken).


I am not familiar with this. Never heard of it.
For what reason did he sue tyhe country?


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Bill wrote:
manichispanic wrote:
first rock double album
Bob Dylan's "Blonde on Blonde" came out 2 months before "Freak Out".

it wasnt rock.

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Gas Mask wrote:
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First musician to sue a country (and won if i am not mistaken).


I am not familiar with this. Never heard of it.
For what reason did he sue tyhe country?



He sued the UK and won, but they did not want to set a bad president, so he got a penny or some ridiculously low amount. I believe it is in his book in great detail and very funny if I remember correctly.


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Zut_boF wrote:
Bill wrote:
manichispanic wrote:
first rock double album
Bob Dylan's "Blonde on Blonde" came out 2 months before "Freak Out".

it wasnt rock.



i'm with you on this. i've never been able to rock out to a dylan record, expecially this one!

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Eric Vaxxine wrote:
FZ might be the first rap artist.

The song intro to 'I Am The slime' is a rap!
A vocal rhyme over a backing groove.

Speed it up....and it is fittingly modern.

What do you think?


Gil Scott Heron's "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" came out in 1971 on the Flying Dutchman Label (trivia: my uncle designed the insignia for this label).
Also, there is the talking blues genre of music that was available on records decades before that.

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jeddy wrote:
Basically started "outsider music" and it could be argued that he was really the first "punk"
or "enfant terrible" in the industry.

These "outisider music" artists preceded Zappa:
George Antheil
Harry Partch
John Cage
Edgard Varese
Moondog

I think that Frank's absurdist tendencies were primarily inspired by Dada and other artists who were inspired by Dada.

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Zut_boF wrote:
Bill wrote:
manichispanic wrote:
first rock double album
Bob Dylan's "Blonde on Blonde" came out 2 months before "Freak Out".

it wasnt rock.

You won't find it in country or folk or jazz or easy listening or electronica or blues or rnb or rap or soul or polka music bins.
Results for the phrases "Blonde on Blonde is not rock" and "Blonde on Blonde is country" do not appear when performing a google search. ;)
I can see where folks who weren't around in the 1960's could listen to "Blonde on Blonde" now and consider it a country album. Much popular country music now more resembles the rock music of the Eagles, the Byrds and Bob Dylan than the country music of 1966.

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I think Frank Zappa was the first recording artist to release
an album of guitar solo's.

He might also be the only artist to ever do that.


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eric vaxxine wrote:
I think Frank Zappa was the first recording artist to release
an album of guitar solo's.

He might also be the only artist to ever do that.
that could be true, & also maybe the 1st rock musician to release a guitar solo album with a book of their transcriptions ... jazz guitarists like joe pass had their guitar solos transcribed in the 60s & 70s, it's unlikely they released an album of solos unless it was an instructional record

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PLOOK:
I think the first "rap" song is probably Subteranean Homesick Blues by Dylan
or if you really want to give something to Frank it would more than likely be
"Trouble Every Day"


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Eric Vaxxine wrote:
FZ might be the first rap artist.

The song intro to 'I Am The slime' is a rap!
A vocal rhyme over a backing groove.

Speed it up....and it is fittingly modern.

What do you think?

Funkadelic had a song in 72 'Whole Lot Of BS' which features rap and before that in folk there were narrative songs that might be mistaken for rap.
On Jamaica there were dj's since the late '60 who were rapping (or as they call it themselves 'toasting'), that is supposed to be the origin of rap.


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"We Are Not Alone" My wife doesn't get it either but she understands that I need it and buys me Zappa stuff on birthdays and christmas. "I got the habit, I got to have it" :D


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