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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:37 am 
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I have a UK issue 7" 45 rpm single.

Label: Decca (s/n) F.12430.

Artist: Spider.

Side A, The Comedown Song (Spider/Fowley) Matrix No XDFR 38295-T2-2C.

Side B, Blow Ya Mind (Spider) Matrix No XDFR 38295-T1-1C.

Publishing, Living Legend Music.

Year of Issue/Production 1966.

I hav'nt listen to it yet, but I would like to know who he is and what FZ thought about him. He is mentioned on the We're Only in it for the Money LP, and on the disc. But apart from that I paid no attention until I spotted the disc for sale.

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http://www.united-mutations.com/s/spider.htm

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Great. At least I have been able to fill in some important gaps if the United Mutations people are watching.

Least of all the Kim Fowley connection.

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Huh. For some reason I always thought Spider was Frank Zappa playing a character. It sounded like his voice doing an impression of a stoned hippy. Plus the entire concept of the Big Note and all that seems to be quintesentially Zappian, I'm shocked it came from someone else.

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FOWL wrote:
Huh. For some reason I always thought Spider was Frank Zappa playing a character. It sounded like his voice doing an impression of a stoned hippy. Plus the entire concept of the Big Note and all that seems to be quintesentially Zappian, I'm shocked it came from someone else.
man, you need to listen to your zappa!

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Hey Fowl, what Lumpy is trying to say is that Zappa fed those ideas to the piano people. He may not have come up with every last detail, more like he gave them ideas which they then expanded on.

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FOWL wrote:
Huh. For some reason I always thought Spider was Frank Zappa playing a character. It sounded like his voice doing an impression of a stoned hippy. Plus the entire concept of the Big Note and all that seems to be quintesentially Zappian, I'm shocked it came from someone else.
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man, you need to listen to your zappa!
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Hey Fowl, what Lumpy is trying to say is that Zappa fed those ideas to the piano people. He may not have come up with every last detail, more like he gave them ideas which they then expanded on.
well, no. I was just surprised that anyone could think that spider was actually zappa...

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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
polydigm wrote:
Hey Fowl, what Lumpy is trying to say is that Zappa fed those ideas to the piano people. He may not have come up with every last detail, more like he gave them ideas which they then expanded on.
well, no. I was just surprised that anyone could think that spider was actually zappa...
Nonetheless, the Big Note idea did not come from someone else.

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polydigm wrote:
Lumpy Gravy wrote:
polydigm wrote:
Hey Fowl, what Lumpy is trying to say is that Zappa fed those ideas to the piano people. He may not have come up with every last detail, more like he gave them ideas which they then expanded on.
well, no. I was just surprised that anyone could think that spider was actually zappa...
Nonetheless, the Big Note idea did not come from someone else.


So .. spider is reading a script ?

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My understanding was that Frank was basically just giving them key words to expound upon, such as "THE BIG NOTE" and the rest was up to the piano people, which was then given Frank's spin again in editting. However some of the stuff Spider says involving the Pig's and Ponies and the grand scheme of things seem so intricate and intrinsic, I always thought it was Frank.

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 Post subject: Re: spider
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polydigm wrote:
Lumpy Gravy wrote:
polydigm wrote:
Hey Fowl, what Lumpy is trying to say is that Zappa fed those ideas to the piano people. He may not have come up with every last detail, more like he gave them ideas which they then expanded on.
well, no. I was just surprised that anyone could think that spider was actually zappa...
Nonetheless, the Big Note idea did not come from someone else.
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So .. spider is reading a script ?
That's a good point, because I'm pretty sure Zappa didn't write a script. Now that I think about this, it's not clear just how much is Zappa and how much is the piano people. If you think about it, there's a phrase about "big noting" oneself. Who gets more "big noted" than god? So, The Big Note could be a derogatory term for god. Maybe that's how the idea first came to him and when he said "the big note" to the piano people the ensuing discussion took it elsewhere. How will we ever know how it went down?

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 Post subject: Re: the big note
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I have a feeling frank zappa took a lot of stuff from people around him, and used it to his own devices.

most of the piano people-dialog sound 'real' to me.

sure, here and there zappa mixed in his instructions ("saliva can only take so much").

but, I have always had a feeling these people came up with most of their conversation all by themselves.

which, in turn, gave zappa ideas for new 'code words' to talk back into the studio, right back at them..


and, fowl; spider is indeed a real person.

:arrow: .james spider barbour

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