Zappa.com

The Official Frank Zappa Messageboards
It is currently Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:10 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:11 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2002 8:06 pm
Posts: 1992
Location: Canada
Rite of Spring it was premiered on Thursday, May 29, 1913 at the Théâtre des Champs-Élysées in Paris and was conducted by Pierre Monteux under the Ballets Russes.

The premiere involved one of the most famous classical music riots in history.

I think thats why Frank thought France was hell.

what you guys think?

_________________
'N then I might just Jump back on An' ride Like a cowboy Into the dawn to Montana


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:23 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:41 am
Posts: 1159
I think the litany of crimes that the French are guilty of (that Frank describes in the song) are equally to blame...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:32 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 03, 2003 3:45 am
Posts: 8977
Location: EINDHOVEN
There are musicologists who believe that the Sacre du Printemps riot was actually instigated by the organizer, who said: "Exactly what I wanted" afterwards. This is not a loony conspiracy, some of the events of the night really hint towards that.
In the field of dance, it's been suggested that it was not the music, but the revolutionary dancing that led to riots. In the Nijinski choreography (which was carefully reconstructed by Millicent Hudson, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjX3oAwv_Fs), legs of the dancers have the knees turned inward, any jumping is done with a loud thud. It is, as opposed to ballet, graceless.

_________________
Image
Join the PackardGoose forum! Send me a PM!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2002 8:06 pm
Posts: 1992
Location: Canada
i really like this documentary

Keeping Score: Stravinsky's Rite of Spring parts 1 to 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7QgPgG4c-g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhO_UitWjs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXkbr97Qd0g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv1EdSXlGwQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EaU7q3QOdI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9nKrHE-6eI

_________________
'N then I might just Jump back on An' ride Like a cowboy Into the dawn to Montana


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:03 pm
Posts: 5900
Location: Pouting for you? Punky Meadows, pouting for you?!!
So FZ had some bad experiences and has incorporated those into his idea of hell. I've been there three times and had a great time during each visit, my wife and I are even considering living there.

_________________
The way I see it Barry, this should be a very dynamite show.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:14 am
Posts: 18113
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, CANADA
Way back, in the late '60's, I spent a few years in Trinidad, W.I. There, the expression "like France" was (and likely still is) used as the equivalent to "like Hell". I found it amusing, but, after saying it at school once, quickly learned it's considered a serious swear phrase.

_________________
You're probably wondering why I'm here
(not that it makes a heck of a lot of a difference to ya)
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:16 am
Posts: 2437
My ancestry is in the South of France

_________________
"drums are too noisy, 'n you've got no corners to hide in"


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:40 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:01 am
Posts: 1227
Location: Bordeaux, France
Hey i live here!
And i'm a member of this powerful group!
http://www.survivefrance.com/?xg_source=badge

_________________
"You can fly like a Penguin when you're dealing with Turkeys."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:25 am
Posts: 298
Location: Philly
I was in Paris once. Only asshole I met there was from New Jersey.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:03 pm
Posts: 5900
Location: Pouting for you? Punky Meadows, pouting for you?!!
bugler wrote:
I was in Paris once. Only asshole I met there was from New Jersey.
Well played, old chap.

_________________
The way I see it Barry, this should be a very dynamite show.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:04 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:25 am
Posts: 298
Location: Philly
polydigm wrote:
bugler wrote:
I was in Paris once. Only asshole I met there was from New Jersey.
Well played, old chap.

:)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:00 pm
Posts: 272
Hi,

I would think that there are good things and bad things ... anywhere ... everywhere ... and that Frank said that, we should not be taking that too seriously ... like he thought the Valley was any better than France, that faked an arrest and put him in jail? And later showed just as much corruption as many other places ... well, hell's bells ... it's been like that since at least Chinatown, wouldn't you think?

But it could have been an awkward situation if he asked for something and the owner of the venue said ... get fudged shlock ... how very French of them after all, that is! ...

But in the end ... Frank is remembered and those morons aren't ... so end of story ... we can talk about the good things now!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:53 pm
Posts: 112
Location: Down in France
There's a lot of things to do to make France better.
But I wouldn't live anywhere else for now.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2002 8:06 pm
Posts: 1992
Location: Canada
i never been in France, but i know some french i met here in Québec and Montreal and they were nice. I dont like their tv shows but they have good news report.

_________________
'N then I might just Jump back on An' ride Like a cowboy Into the dawn to Montana


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:41 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 12:41 pm
Posts: 13497
Location: Schools that do not teach
This song is only part of the historic feud between English and French, which Mr. Zappa indirectly inherited culturally...

_________________
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true Art and Science. - Albert Einstein

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:10 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:41 am
Posts: 1159
I've been to France many times, mainly Paris. Every time I go I try and speak the lingo.
I'm not fluent, but I do know a few words...
Every time there is a sizeable minority of Parisians who just look at me like I am some sort of cunt.

Oh well.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:25 am
Posts: 298
Location: Philly
I was in London for the Rick Wakeman concerts at Hampton Court Palace (6 wives of Henry VIII) and the wonderful Brian Blessed was narrator. It didn't make the cut on the official DVD, but during the show(s) he made reference to this rivalry. It was hilarious to witness. Fortunately, I have the CD's from each concert to relive the moment. :D


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 03, 2003 3:45 am
Posts: 8977
Location: EINDHOVEN
You know Brian Blessed was the original Old Deuteronomy in Cats?

_________________
Image
Join the PackardGoose forum! Send me a PM!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2003 2:41 pm
Posts: 14648
Is it intrinsically bad, or just like any other place, rude people and nice people.

_________________
One of the sanest, surest, and most generous joys of life comes from being happy over the good fortune of others.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:39 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:41 am
Posts: 1159
Paris has a particular reputation.

No problems elsewhere.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am
Posts: 1321
Location: Paris, France
Quilt wrote:
Paris has a particular reputation.
No problems elsewhere.

No, no, no. Not only Paris. We are generally arrogant, undisciplined and grumpy.
Just try to ask for some tap water in a restaurant, in most cases the waiter will not bring it to you (or smile actually).
When French people are queueing, there are always other French people trying not to form a straight line and trying to pass in front of others, either blatantly or in stealth mode.
When changing lane on the highway, the others will usually accelerate wherever they are coming from.
And so on...
Paris is worse only because we are more motherfuckers here.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am
Posts: 1321
Location: Paris, France
Oh and I forgot, try to find clean toilets in public areas. Big time.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:14 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:41 am
Posts: 1159
Maroual wrote:
Oh and I forgot, try to find clean toilets in public areas. Big time.



No problem. I just piss in the street. And stand up to do ca-ca. :)


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am
Posts: 1321
Location: Paris, France
Quilt wrote:
Maroual wrote:
Oh and I forgot, try to find clean toilets in public areas. Big time.



No problem. I just piss in the street. And stand up to do ca-ca. :)

Well said :wink:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:19 am
Posts: 4357
Location: in deepest, darkest Germany
I go to France every year (my parents live there). The people there (north east of Toulouse) are friendly, the food excellent and the landscape beautiful. My kids dream of going to France all year. After a number of attempting to communicate in my pathetic French, I've suddenly discovered most of them can speak English, too. The farmer who lives in my parents' village is a lovely man who always wants a conversation, unfortunately in French, which I understand worse than I speak. On a family evening walk 'round the village, we once met him driving the cows home. We greeted him in a friendly manner and he replied in French. We carried on walking and attempted to reconstruct what he had said. After half an hour we worked out that he had said: "Aren't you afraid of the bull?"

_________________
"Secluded from mankind by his exalted dignity, the truth is concealed from his knowledge; he can see only with their eyes, he hears nothing but their misrepresentations."


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 27 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group