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 Post subject: Plastic People
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:01 am 
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What Frank means by plastic people? People who only care about appearance?

I also heard "plastic boots and plastic hat". What does he mean with it all in your opinion?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:11 am 
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i would say Social status or people who don't know they're Social status

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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This is a section from a fresh translation I made of several '67/'68 Hitweek articles. Hitweek (defunct since 69) is the first magazine in the world that had FZ on the cover. Zappa visited their office several times, on one occasion letting them listen to Uncle Meat even before Ruben was released. Zappa gave his Edison award for WOIIFTM to the Hitweek crew, who painted it in vivid colours.
Hitweek did a neat job on explaining Uncle Meat and Absolutely Free (and possibly on other albums but I don't have those articles).

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The album Absolutely Free is out. It is a super-recommended album and you can really hear how fantastic the album is if you have the lyrics next to it. MGM thought the texts were too filthy (not tidy enough) to print on the cover. Zappa's efforts were in vain {Du. proverb: he could jump high and low. -BB} But you can order the lyrics in America for a dollar. The address you have to send your dollar to: The Mothers Idea Fund - PO box 36399 in Los Angeles - California 90036, USA.
Frank Zappa visited the hitweek editors and gave us permission to print all words to the 2nd LP. Thanks to our sister magazine International Times and Mr Zappa we present the lyrics.
Side 1 of the record is a serious outcry to the grey civilian society (plastic people). Song 1 is about the riots on Sunset Strip. Pandora's Box was a nice club there.

The prune songs (2, 3, 4) mock the hypocritical vocabulary of U.S. love songs. You'd say Zappa's choice of words makes no sense. The way of singing says enough.
The use of words in the PRUNES-songs is very absurd when sexual activities are described (inspired by blues metaphores). The Vegetable songs are about the rusty and uncreative spoilsports. Zappa suggests us to contact them for a laugh. They might just react.
After song 5 comes a long instrumental that lasts about 7 minutes. An endless song that is so monochromous that it seems like it never ends. It seems to last for hours. A sort of music-kick (play loud). Ritual Dance of a Pumpkin (vegetable-chick). In the last song, the good relation between you and the vegetable people is mocked.
Side 2 is about certain facets of the currently reigning Ugly Great Society (usa now). A terribly sick sung intro that makes no sense. The song is about the addicted consumer. It's sung again at the end of the record in a much nicer crooner nightclub way (complete with tills and drunk cheering). How the american parents entertain themselves. As horrific as how they entertain themselves here. Parents who have finished their school neatly and who accomplished something in life. Parents who want to see their children in the same way. Their main occupation however is drinking.
Their children are still in school and also need to try to accomplish something. This rhyme is about someone whose status in high school is going down and doesn't get gleered at by the pompon girls. Pompon girls are pushy types that support the school football team {the article names football/soccer, but we can assume this is a mistranslation of American Football - BB}. They toss balls of crepe paper around and shout immortal yells like "We've got the team that's on the beam, that's really hep to jive". After the match they drink beer and get pregnant in the back of someone's car. A sports whistle and a crazily sensitive bar-saxophone can be heard in this song.
Song 10 is about disgusting plastic factories that make disgusting toys. If it wasn't sung in such a funny way it might have been too serious. In track 11 Suzy Creamcheese turns out to be a crazy hippie who appears everywhere just to be en vogue.
In song 12 you can hear that the Plastic People lead a horrific life. Boring duties and dreaming about touring with 13-year-old teenage queens. In bed those girls entertain themselves and that's not right. A grey suit doesn't make you happy after all, because the TV bores too. This song sums up the message of the record. These are the texts. Read them and listen how incredibly well they are brought on the record. Actually social criticism worthy of consideration. Zappa wants the tweeners to realize that they can eventually create an alternative. Respond to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:28 pm 
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That was the very first Zappa song I ever heard. I used to sing it in 5th grade. absolutely free will always hold a special place in my heart!

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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Huck_Phlem wrote:
That was the very first Zappa song I ever heard. I used to sing it in 5th grade. absolutely free will always hold a special place in my heart!


Me too! Most of my opinions about people and society can be directly traced to Absolutely Free and We Are Only In It For The Money, and the fact that I listened to them repeatedly at a very young age!


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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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You use too listen too Zappa at a young age congrats :mrgreen: :D

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 Post subject: Re: plastic people
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Rhayader wrote:
What Frank means by plastic people?
people who are fake and dishonest.
people who care more about what other people think about them, instead of being themselves.
people who think they're 'hip'.

Huck_Phlem wrote:
That was the very first Zappa song I ever heard. I used to sing it in 5th grade. absolutely free will always hold a special place in my heart!
Rahdley wrote:
Me too! Most of my opinions about people and society can be directly traced to Absolutely Free and We Are Only In It For The Money, and the fact that I listened to them repeatedly at a very young age!
I was eleven the first time I heard 'absolutely free', in 1968. so there. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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Rhayader wrote:
What Frank means by plastic people? People who only care about appearance?

I also heard "plastic boots and plastic hat". What does he mean with it all in your opinion?

Basically, people who conform to society's expectations. Those who are in the mainstream. People who don't think for themselves. People who are shallow.

"Plastic boots" and "plastic hat" just refer to the trendy fashions of the day such as "go-go boots". Fashions that would be worn by plastic people. "I'm so hip".


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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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Thanks for the answers guys. But why the term "plastic" to refer to them?


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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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Like a plastic Badge on a fancy dress costume not real fake :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: plastic people
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Rhayader wrote:
Thanks for the answers guys. But why the term "plastic" to refer to them?
because plastic is artificial (not real), just like the people zappa were describing.

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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cleon wrote:
i would say Social status or people who don't know they're Social status

And what is "social status"?


Is the president of USA also plastic like the beginning of the song suggests?


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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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President plastic I think FZ was saying others as people means aleast too.

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 Post subject: Re: plastic people
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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
Rhayader wrote:
Thanks for the answers guys. But why the term "plastic" to refer to them?
because plastic is artificial (not real), just like the people zappa were describing.

Yes, in the english speaking western world, plastic people is pretty much a stock phrase for people who are only skin deep.

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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It has been said that when they melt they start to stink...

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 Post subject: Re: plastic people
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polydigm wrote:
Lumpy Gravy wrote:
Rhayader wrote:
Thanks for the answers guys. But why the term "plastic" to refer to them?
because plastic is artificial (not real), just like the people zappa were describing.

Yes, in the english speaking western world, plastic people is pretty much a stock phrase for people who are only skin deep.
That is the meaning of Vain.

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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I always thought that he was saying people were blindly following along with what society expected of them and that they were not being real and expressing their real sense of what they felt and wanted out of life...

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 Post subject: Re: plastic presidents
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Rhayader wrote:
Is the president of USA also plastic like the beginning of the song suggests?
oh yes. each and every one of them.

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 Post subject: Re: plastic people
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Rhayader wrote:
Thanks for the answers guys. But why the term "plastic" to refer to them?
Lumpy Gravy wrote:
because plastic is artificial (not real), just like the people zappa were describing.
polydigm wrote:
Yes, in the english speaking western world, plastic people is pretty much a stock phrase for people who are only skin deep.
cleon wrote:
That is the meaning of Vain.
Look, all I'm saying is: the term Plastic People is not a Zappa thing, it's a widely used phrase. I'm not talking about vanity, by only skin deep, I mean people who are all on the surface with no depth, all image and no substance.

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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Plook wrote:
I always thought that he was saying people were blindly following along with what society expected of them and that they were not being real and expressing their real sense of what they felt and wanted out of life...

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That is the meaning of a Dull Fucker :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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Phony, as in; light your joint sir? sorry your face is melting !

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 Post subject: Re: Plastic People
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I always think "Plastic People" refers to those types of folks who actually take social status and keeping up with the joneses seriously, who have developed no real personality beyond what they perceive as "acceptable" to their "social betters" and peers.


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plastic man by the kinks

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