KillUgly wrote:
muziko wrote:
okay let me put it another way. If a person could recognise good blues guitar playing they would know Clapton and Hendrix are among the superior players of that particular style of music. They are creative players. They got where they were on top of the game musically because they had the talent and the chops to make it happen. No one handed them a guitar and they all of a sudden became world reknowned. They worked for it. You might not like them or think they are great but they are great. You can't get around that really. Subjective criticism won't change the fact that they influenced millions of musicians just like Zappa did. Over rated my ass. How do you rate a guitarist in a style you may ask? There are basic benchmarks that make great players. Zappa was a good melodic guitarist but his compositional output may never be equalled. That's just fact. I'll stand up for clapton or hendrix any day of the week and with this thread i just might. Until i'm tired.
I'll take Hendrix and Clapton you can have Townsend and Page. I'll trade you a Vai for a Buddy Guy and raise you a King. It doesn't really matter it's about who you resonate with and works for you.
If you read my original post you saw that I said "Clapton IS a very good guitarist". You're right, he is a great blues player. But there are many great blues players. I even like him and have purchased considerable Clapton product over the years. He has alot going for him - he's a good singer and is a good songwriter. I just think that if we're just talking about guitar playing there are other more obscure players (including those of his era) that are just as deserving of recognition (or even more deserving). This makes him overrated to me.
I dig Hendrix and all the other guitarists you cited (and criticized in some cases). You talk about Holdsworth. Put him next to Clapton and tell me which of the two is more unique and innovative and which one is the more overrated of the two.
I hear ya. I'm just saying Clapton deserves the recognition.
there are other more obscure players (including those of his era) that are just as deserving of recognition (or even more deserving). What other guitar players from his era who are more obsure do you think deserve as much or more recognition? peter green comes to mind. But he flaked out. Robert fripp also another brilliant contributor also seems to be his own worst business partner.
So it's kind of a survival of the fittest it seems on the business end. It's the complete package of making your talent work for you. Clapton has done that.
Where as many of the other players fell to the wayside to addictions or whatever. Guys like Ian Anderson invested and did very well! He can produce his own album any time he wants because he figured out how to also play the game.
Holdsworth. Put him next to Clapton and tell me which of the two is more unique and innovative and which one is the more overrated of the two. again someone who needs a talented agent and quickly! get out and play Bonneroo and get out there with your bad self. I can't compare allan's style to Eric's they are world's apart stylistically. but what they did within their styles is comparable. they both stretched them. Although allan's stretches are much more difficult and elaborate. You can say Clapton took the bluesman road but it doesn't give it less value. He does blues. Allan does what he does. Eric Clapton's success doesn't devalue Holdsworth's creativity. Allan could market himself better than he is and he might play some larger festivals where he will be noticed but it's what he chose i guess.
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I don't hate the guy. His playing just never really struck me as anything particularly special is all. I'd rather pick more interesting guitar players to get jealous over.
