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Come on Kirk, lighten up. Read my first post in this thread - I originally went off about it as well. The point is that Trendy is an ongoing problem. There are a lot of people who stopped frequenting DZW because of him. The fact, as it seems, that Dweezil is enabling him, has made him worse, how was that possible, than he used to be when he was a full time pox on this place. The thing about this thread is that I can say what I want about him here without disturbing any other thread. And, do you really think that this thread would make him happy? If there was a thread like this out there about you, would you be happy about it?

Personally, I believe the guy should be heavily moderated in some way. Moderation is not censorship. When you go to the mall and meet up with friends and generally socialise, behaviour is moderated. If someone starts to get overly rude or even violent, eventually security will throw them out. That's not censorship - freedom of speech is not the freedom to dump on someone else. People like Trendy fuck up forums - banning them is not censorship. Our freedoms are intertwined. One person's freedom of behaviour often inhibits someone else's.

You can please all of the people some of the time - some of the people all of the time - but you can't please all of the people all of the time. Humans may not be good at sharing in general, but this will be their ultimate downfall.

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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:13 pm 
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Your right of course Poly, I'm just an excitable boy at times. Trendy has fucked up a lot of good things on both sites and I'm very pleased he's staying over there. He does read this stuff and tries to bring it up over there on DZW. That's his turf now, so to speak, so I never take the bait. He does prattle on though!

PJ and I kissed and made up and are now expecting twins...ain't that right Jim? :mrgreen:

Hmm, The Legend That Is Kapt.Kiirk. On the contrary, it has a nice ring to it, but yes, I get what you mean bro' as I don't believe there's one positive post about Titoney's Baloney on that thread. In fact I can't think of any thread where he's got any positive response to any of his posts. If DZ wants his site to be all positive, he sure is backin' the wrong horse in that race. I've never seen anyone that can generate more negativity than Titoney's Baloney does. Bar none!

That's enough about him. Time to talk about FZ and his music. That's why we're here, right? So... any more of Zappa's sax solos coming up Poly or any of your originals ready to go yet? You know I like your songs and most of the playing too. The sax needs a little more work, but you nailed most of it that first time and you hadn't played/practiced in awhile had you? Your very good though, imho! :?:

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Twins? Holy fuck! I ain't breast-feeding them, no way! That's your department, Manboobs.


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Twins? Holy fuck! I ain't breast-feeding them, no way! That's your department, Manboobs.

I was gonna leave that up to our au-pare. If that's the right word for our foxy young French maid. The one your always telling your rooms dirty and you've been a bad little boy to. Might even need a spankin', remember her and her sister?

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
Pope Jim wrote:
Twins? Holy fuck! I ain't breast-feeding them, no way! That's your department, Manboobs.

I was gonna leave that up to our au-pare. If that's the right word for our foxy young French maid. The one your always telling your rooms dirty and you've been a bad little boy to. Might even need a spankin', remember her and her sister?


Sooo thats your role in the local indie film your co staring in Kapt. K
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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
Pope Jim wrote:
Twins? Holy fuck! I ain't breast-feeding them, no way! That's your department, Manboobs.

I was gonna leave that up to our au-pare. If that's the right word for our foxy young French maid. The one your always telling your rooms dirty and you've been a bad little boy to. Might even need a spankin', remember her and her sister?


Sooo thats your role in the local indie film your co staring in Kapt. K
:mrgreen:

Ha! I wish! No, death gets me before I get the girl. Though I try... and the lead is a lady (Rain) I'm just a supporting character (Colin Friskin) in this one. There's three of us character actors and one lead, it's under LittleThunderFilms.com on the web. I'm in the pix somewhere. It's an indie artsy film and I'm having fun, that's what counts! :wink:

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
So... any more of Zappa's sax solos coming up Poly or any of your originals ready to go yet?
My current goals leave no room for the sax. I'm still keeping the guitar and piano on the go and still writing new music - hell, that won't stop until my breath does.

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PostPosted: Wed May 15, 2013 9:36 am 
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Look what I found under Zappa Concerts (the new drummer thread):


Pope Jim wrote:

Dweezil can't sight read. It must make it awful hard for Scheila to tell him what to do next.

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The fact that Dweezil hasn't learned to read music after doing this for 6 years is a little suspect to me.

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The only suspect is an individuals mind that does not comprehend the level of due diligence Dweezil Zappa puts into getting the music done up to the standards of the composer.

Dweezil has stated he would have liked to have learned to read music at an earlier age in life. While he may not be able to sight read blindly like a Kung Fu master that just makes learning the parts that much more time consuming. Pointedly, in the parts Dweezil has learned, he has done so with the proficiency of any musician that has ever played the guitar or performed Frank's music on any stage.

The perverted idea of pushing any performance achievements into the "suspect" category is preposterous. Dweezil Zappa is not the only musician that has reached the pinnacle of performance achievements by ear. Steve Howe (Yes, Asia, GTR , Tomorrow) performs by ear. It's a testament to achievement of what the well tuned ear can do. I find it fitting that Frank Zappa's interest in Steve Howe's performance on Tomorrow's Claramount Lake, early 1967. Dweezil Zappa and Steve Howe are prime examples of remarkable performance achievements in a wide variety of musical styling. They both perform in a wide variety of styles and put in lots of time and effort into doing what they do. From my point of view it's more about achievement than even considering the notion of anything being suspect about how it gets done.


Isn't it amazing how he can say the same thing time after time, year after year, and think he's contributing something new?


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Is it true that he is the one responsible for bootlegging the '88 FZ shows? The ones that enraged the man so?


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Pope Jim wrote:
Look what I found under Zappa Concerts (the new drummer thread):


Pope Jim wrote:

Dweezil can't sight read. It must make it awful hard for Scheila to tell him what to do next.

tiboudre wrote:

The fact that Dweezil hasn't learned to read music after doing this for 6 years is a little suspect to me.

Trendmongrel wrote:

The only suspect is an individuals mind that does not comprehend the level of due diligence Dweezil Zappa puts into getting the music done up to the standards of the composer.

Dweezil has stated he would have liked to have learned to read music at an earlier age in life. While he may not be able to sight read blindly like a Kung Fu master that just makes learning the parts that much more time consuming. Pointedly, in the parts Dweezil has learned, he has done so with the proficiency of any musician that has ever played the guitar or performed Frank's music on any stage.

The perverted idea of pushing any performance achievements into the "suspect" category is preposterous. Dweezil Zappa is not the only musician that has reached the pinnacle of performance achievements by ear. Steve Howe (Yes, Asia, GTR , Tomorrow) performs by ear. It's a testament to achievement of what the well tuned ear can do. I find it fitting that Frank Zappa's interest in Steve Howe's performance on Tomorrow's Claramount Lake, early 1967. Dweezil Zappa and Steve Howe are prime examples of remarkable performance achievements in a wide variety of musical styling. They both perform in a wide variety of styles and put in lots of time and effort into doing what they do. From my point of view it's more about achievement than even considering the notion of anything being suspect about how it gets done.


Isn't it amazing how he can say the same thing time after time, year after year, and think he's contributing something new?


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The perverted idea of pushing any performance achievements into the "suspect" category is preposterous.

I like this line for some reason....and overall the post is not too wacked out. :mrgreen:

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
So... any more of Zappa's sax solos coming up Poly or any of your originals ready to go yet?
My current goals leave no room for the sax. I'm still keeping the guitar and piano on the go and still writing new music - hell, that won't stop until my breath does.

Ha! Of course you'll play till you drop, so to speak Poly, I never thought otherwise! I'm looking forward to your new guitar riffs and maybe some new completed songs of yours too. Perhaps this summertime you might have some time to put up some new stuff, por favor? I like your original tunes as you already must know by now. I'm not trying to be pushy, just encouraging is all! :wink:

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Pope Jim wrote:
Look what I found under Zappa Concerts (the new drummer thread):

It's a testament to achievement of what the well tuned ear can do. I find it fitting that Frank Zappa's interest in Steve Howe's performance on Tomorrow's Claramount Lake, early 1967. Dweezil Zappa and Steve Howe are prime examples of ?


It makes no sense. No sense at all. But that's what we've come to expect and he hasn't let us down yet! :lol:

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Why blame Trendmonger but not Dweezil?


Keep in mind that I am a consumer discussing a product. I'm sure Dweezil is a great friend/brother/son etc. I don't have the right to say anything personal about him. I happen to think that if you like Frank Zappa it makes no sense to prop up his clone. I'm not the only one who feels this way. Being a clone goes against the spirit of Zappa's music. It doesn't revitalize it in any way. No one else can breathe the same breath as Frank Zappa. Frank Zappa brought forth what was inside of him. What does Dweezil bring forth? He sells nostalgia. And it's expensive. Trendmonger makes sense as the cheerleader for this.


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Who taught Trendy the word ' terpsichorean?'

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FZ did, in Mudd Club.

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A good question Coevad. I don't think Trendbucket can actually learn, at least not in the way that most people do. This is a symptom of what we medical professionals refer to as being as fucking thick as a bulls cock coupled with being a (again, forgive my use of medical jargon) complete and utter empty headed fuckwit. He doesn't learn, he just goes around spouting whatever crap he hears. Like a parrot. Except a parrot has a bigger brain. And a considerably better vocabulary. And a bigger cock.


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A good question Coevad. I don't think Trendbucket can actually learn, at least not in the way that most people do. This is a symptom of what we medical professionals refer to as being as fucking thick as a bulls cock coupled with being a (again, forgive my use of medical jargon) complete and utter empty headed fuckwit. He doesn't learn, he just goes around spouting whatever crap he hears. Like a parrot. Except a parrot has a bigger brain. And a considerably better vocabulary. And a bigger cock.

So should we address you as Dr. McMad from now on Mad Jack? :lol:

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KK - oddly enough my official title is Monsignor. But you can call me wahtever you like...just so long as its not early in the morning.


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Monsignor Jack, aka Saint John of the Tubers. The former is how he's known in the pubs, the latter is how he's known to the pious old crones at the 6 AM masses. His name has passed across the papal desk a couple of times recently. The Office of the Inquisition proposes to pluck his pubes, one by one, until he recants the heresy of left-handed onanism in the confessional. There's also an unconfirmed rumor that he fed the eucharist to Gary Titone during a trip to Providence, RI last fall, right after the DZPZ concert. He's gonna slide on that one, I'm afraid. The Swiss Guard can't find a single sober witness.


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Did I read that the dweezil world forum offers prizes to people for making positive posts about their zpz experiences? That's some twisted manipulation. Isn't that essentially buying praise? Are they really doing that?

Oh well. We all gotta eat. For all I know, the reason Frank Zappa worked so hard and nonstop for all of those years was so his son could have a cushy career. Fair enough.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
I happen to think that if you like Frank Zappa it makes no sense to prop up his clone. I'm not the only one who feels this way. Being a clone goes against the spirit of Zappa's music.
I think I get where you're coming from. I've been a Zappa fan since 1974 and that was almost 20 years before he died. I only managed to see him live once because he only came to OZ once after 1974. But the point is, to be able to go out on the town and have a few beers with some mates and hear FZ's music played live with panache is much better than anything else on offer in the world at the moment as far as I'm concerned. I would love to be in the UK in October to experience the 200 Motels performance. What a night out that will be.
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It doesn't revitalize it in any way. No one else can breathe the same breath as Frank Zappa. Frank Zappa brought forth what was inside of him. What does Dweezil bring forth? He sells nostalgia. And it's expensive.
I would think that most Zappa fans would not believe DZ is adding anything, but that's not the point, as I said above. I don't give a fuck who's playing his music just as long as they do it competently. I don't care if they do exact transcribed arrangements like DZ's bunch, or loose interpretations like Le Bocal or Colin Towns, it all makes for a good night out. Recordings are a different matter where it's Le Bocal or Colin Towns that I prefer to listen to at home rather than Dweezil like "clones" as you refer to it. I either listen to FZ's own abums, or the more experimental of the cover bands.
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Trendmonger makes sense as the cheerleader for this.
The sickening thing about Trendy is his sycophantically narrow view of how FZ's music should be played and I suppose he has been kind of led there by the ZFT. I disagree with most of their views about what being faithful to the composer's intent actually means.

If I want an opinion about a brain tumor, I'll ask a neurosurgeon, if I want an opinion about being faithful to a composer's intent I'll ask a composer and seeing as I am a composer who gives just as much of a fuck about what anyone else thinks about me as Frank himself did, I'll make up my own mind about what's appropriate.

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downer mydnyte wrote:
Did I read that the dweezil world forum offers prizes to people for making positive posts about their zpz experiences? That's some twisted manipulation. Isn't that essentially buying praise? Are they really doing that?

Oh well. We all gotta eat. For all I know, the reason Frank Zappa worked so hard and nonstop for all of those years was so his son could have a cushy career. Fair enough.


He's never given out a prize,that was suppose to happen some time in 2010.

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downer mydnyte wrote:
Did I read that the dweezil world forum offers prizes to people for making positive posts about their zpz experiences? That's some twisted manipulation. Isn't that essentially buying praise? Are they really doing that?

Oh well. We all gotta eat. For all I know, the reason Frank Zappa worked so hard and nonstop for all of those years was so his son could have a cushy career. Fair enough.


He's never given out a prize,that was suppose to happen some time in 2010.

DZ also said something about omitting members points that were non-FZ related. Ha! Imagine hiring a crew to do that! I guess he trashed that idea early on. :lol:

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Marimba samples by Chris Norton on keyboards will replace the real thing on the upcoming tour. Trendmonkey responds predictably.

Gary wrote on May 17, 2013 at 01:53 PM:

"Can Anybody Dance?

"ZPZ have repeatedly shown that getting all the right notes and fabric tones performed as close as possible to the composers intent is imperative. DZs news of a sampled marimba follows suit of the evolution of unexpected perfection. When it comes to the visual representation I am hoping some other key elements will be present. In speaking of Be-Bop Tango (Of The Old Jazzmen's Church), it was apparent that the difficult notes and overall composition were only a part of the so called "special entertainment event". Just as sure as the notes George Duke sang helped procure a musical call and responce, I am hoping that such traditional elements come to a town near you. While I expect the old Jazzmen's church had their own shindig going on, Frank knew how to get the likes of Carl, Rick & Jane to get up and help pervert the terpsichorean side of things. The most recent ZPZ Blizzard show in Atlantic City may have had the finest terpsichores to date. This tour may very well give opportunities for that terpsichorean trend to continue."


My question: If getting all the right notes and fabric tones is that imperative, why bother trucking a band all over the country? Why not just play the damn record on stage, Dweezil? Think of all the money you'll save.


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The current trend of Reality TV shows certainly has American TV viewers "thinking again".
And what do I mean by this?
A leading question is do we as Americans think for ourselves or do we need TV programming to be our schoolroom chalkboard?
Gross, perverted, obsessed, deranged?Immagine if you will a FZ TV production based on the current Home-Wardrobe-Culinary-Gender Adjustment-Improvement craze.
I have a feeling that Frank would have taken a variety of these Reality based themes and thrown them in a large bowl of soup to make a fantastic show garanteed to be the finest optional entertainment on television. Lots of garlic and cayenne pepper so to speak.
And just what might this show be called?
How about "Soup and Old Clothes" ?

Not to fret for the Dweezil and Lisa "Into The Fire" program slated for FoodTV newtwork is to bring us a Saint Alfonzo Pancake Breakfast. This is wonderfull news that will bring a bit of a long time Zappa Household tradition to the masses.
But what about those of us fortunate to be a bit more rehearsed on Zappa folklore.
I question if a reality based UMRK production could show us what the upgrades to UMRK are and how they work. even if it was just a MPEG Zappa.com thing there most certainly should be viewer interest.
For many of the so called hard core Zappa fanatics the UMRK is the kitchen of our world.
Could the chefs please entertain and teach us a bit of their culinary art?
Happy Halloween everybody!


(Misspellings included......pretty tame, but that was from 2002)

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