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 Post subject: Vietnam War
PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:52 pm 
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I've seen several claims made that FZ supported U.S. military action in Southeast Asia, at least initially.

I find this difficult to believe. I know that he disliked socialist regimes, but I just don't see it.

Does anyone have any sources affirming his support or opposition to the war?


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 Post subject: Re: Vietnam War
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:08 pm 
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I googled this for a while, and didn't come up with anything substantial. I don't see it either, but what the fuck do i know? Frank wasn't the most predictable guy..... :)

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 Post subject: Re: Vietnam War
PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:55 pm 
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I don't recall any specific statements he made about Vietnam one way or the other, which in retrospect is quite surprising considering how opinionated he was and that was the era that he first came into prominence. There was the thing with the Marines at the Garrick Theater which you might interpret as a condemnation of the war but at the same time he seemed to be making fun of hippies and "flower power". Later in the '80's he stated that he wasn't a peacenik. Frank was a complicated guy who seemed to contradict himself a lot.


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 Post subject: Re: Vietnam War
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:36 pm 
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There's not much in the way of quotes from FZ on Vietnam. But it seems to me that Billy The Mountain had some sort of anti-war commentary in that the climactic battle between Billy/Ethel and Studebacher Hoch revolved around SH's attempt to get Billy to accept his draft notice (the song was performed while the war was still in progress). Billy of course refused and won


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 Post subject: Re: Vietnam War
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:46 pm 
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Let's not forget the song "I Don't Wanna Get Drafted"...

Wars are really ugly
they're dirty and they're cold

He also didn't want his sister to go for fear she would be shot in a fox hole... :smoke:


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 Post subject: Re: Vietnam War
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:51 pm 
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Yeah, I thought about "Billy" too but it doesn't seem to me to be so much of a statement as it is just an amusing story of it's time. Same thing with "I Don't Want To Get Drafted".


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 Post subject: Re: Vietnam War
PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:00 pm 
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You know, perhaps the most poignant anti-war statement I recall Frank making was the "I Don't Want To Get Drafted/Ancient Armaments" single with the tanks and stuff and the words "Is This Trip Really Necessary?".


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 Post subject: Re: Vietnam War
PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:07 am 
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this nonsense that frank invented the hippie movement and supported the vietnam war is unfounded.This crap Laurel Canyon article has gathered momentum and some believe that Franks father was working on some chemical agent that was going to destroy mankind is also unfounded.After the second world war i imagine every american and their dog had a parent that were employed in the military.This gives no credence to the story that Frank and Gail and jim morrison were sons and daughters of military personel so they were complicite with the agency to create a bogus peace movement.If this is the foundation of the story it holds no merit.Not saying that Frank was not privy to the changing medias and was present to experiment to see what changes they woud have on society,but i see no merit to the former.


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