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"I should have known..."

Ripping off the Beatles, eh Feets?


Let it be, doug. Try to see it my way.

Sorry, man. It's been a hard day's night.

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It's good to see you guy's come together on this.... sorry had to do it.

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[quote author=Lets_Be_Fraynk link=board=legends;num=1056580680;start=0#5 date=06/26/03 at 13:33:42]I hear Zeppelin had to pay out a lot to old blues artists.<br><br>"The Song Remains the Same" - get it? ;D
<br><br>Led Zeppelin plays a lot of Willie Dixon's blues as covers, mainly in their first album...that's not stealing.<br>



Strange brew by the cream is a direct musical lift from Albert king.
Alot of musicians also copy other people's whole style of singing or playing. personally i think Tom waits royally ripped off beefheart's schtick.


yes and yes, I agree. I grew up on Disreali Gears, so imagine my surprise when I first heard the Albert King song (can you name it?) and the guitar solo was exactly like the one in the more famous Strange Brew. After just a little bit of research I found out this was released in the states in 1966 and King went along on a tour of Stax-Volt artists like Sam& Dave, Otis Redding, Booker & The MG's IN Britain in the spring (April) 1967. This happens to be the month documented as when Strange Brew was recorded by Cream. Eric Clapton, Felix Pappalardi and Gail Collins get the songwriter credit for that. The Albert King/AC Williams song has a familiar title as well. Can you name it?

Another question. When did Brian Wilson for Surfin USA give Chuck Berry co-songwriting credit? and what CB song does it sound like?

I look at Waits as carrying a torch rather than ripping anybody off. But I know too, that the Cream and Led Zep, the Stones were trying to point the way. When I think about this I am reminded of the story of FZ answering the door and getting a splinter in his toe and it's Mick Jagger at the door who takes the splinter out.
I can see Frank thinking that Mick took a big splinter out of his toe [y'know, the guy with the cow in the monkee's movie . . .] by pursuing the blues/r-n-b route with the bad boy attitude. Allowed Frank to go on and do other things. . . :wink:

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werewolves of london and sweet home alabama


and to me, spirit in the sky sounds like a slower version of the sabbath song paranoid

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That Rihanna song Shut up and Drive rips off the chords of New Order's Blue Monday. I don't know if it's admitedly so, but it sucks anyway..


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Another question. When did Brian Wilson for Surfin USA give Chuck Berry co-songwriting credit? and what CB song does it sound like?


Dunno when he gave songwriting co-credit, but I think the song you're referring to is "Sweet Little Sixteen".. What do I win? 8)

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"Running the Gaunlet" by Claypool and "Over the Falls" by Primus sound extremely similar to me. What I wonder is if Claypool wanted them to sound similar on purpose.

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my eternal gratitude, of course, for simply playing along :)
(and as well, a chance to win a tape of me singing "Surfer Girl" in the shower)

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"Running the Gaunlet" by Claypool and "Over the Falls" by Primus sound extremely similar to me. What I wonder is if Claypool wanted them to sound similar on purpose.

all of claypool's music sounds the same. he has about 3 styles he plays over and over and over. i still think he's original i just think he could stand to expand his rhythmic vocabulary.

I look at Waits as carrying a torch rather than ripping anybody off.
I'll go along with that! I'm kind of sick of him though.

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grand_wazoo wrote:
"Running the Gaunlet" by Claypool and "Over the Falls" by Primus sound extremely similar to me. What I wonder is if Claypool wanted them to sound similar on purpose.

all of claypool's music sounds the same. he has about 3 styles he plays over and over and over. i still think he's original i just think he could stand to expand his rhythmic vocabulary.

I look at Waits as carrying a torch rather than ripping anybody off.
I'll go along with that! I'm kind of sick of him though.

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abcdefg
hijklmnop
qrs tuv
w x y z
now i've said my abc's
next time won't you sing with me

twinkle twinkle little star
how i wonder what you are
up above the world so high
like a diamond in the sky
twinkle twinkle little star
how I wonder what you are

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For you old timers, there's a song on Spirit's first album called Taurus. It's an instrumental with a basic motif similar to the beginning of Stairway to Heaven. In fact, Spirit believed that Page stole it from them, in that it was soon after they played if for him in California that Page came up with Stairway.

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slime.oofytv.set wrote:
abcdefg
hijklmnop
qrs tuv
w x y z
now i've said my abc's
next time won't you sing with me

twinkle twinkle little star
how i wonder what you are
up above the world so high
like a diamond in the sky
twinkle twinkle little star
how I wonder what you are


That's a widely known phenomenon called contrafact (in Dutch at least, I guess the English name in similar). Writing new lyrics to old songs. In the case of ABC it's purely turned into a mnemonic.

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McCartney was, in his own words, trying to out-riff Roy Orbison's PRETTY WOMAN when he wrote the riff to DAY TRIPPER. The riffs sound similar if you play them back to back.

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If anyone has heard of the performer "DZYAN" from the seventies
he had an album called "Electric Silence" and on it is a piece
called "For Earthly Thinking".

Half way through the tune he starts playing an acoustic guitar
that you will hear out of mostly the right speaker (of a stereo system)
It sounds VERY MUCH like the beginning acoustic guitar on the piece
"The Ocean Is The Ultimate Solution" !
The similarity is too weird!

Dzyan's "Electric Silence" came out in 1974 and Sleep Dirt was
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On a similar note, in 1974 The Guess Who released an album called "Flavours", which had a song called "Long Gone" on it that is pretty Zappa-like. The instrumental mid-section contains a melody that sounds almost exactly like the girls in the steno pool singing the "Swifty.." melody in "Greggary Peccary" (this melody also was a big part of the earlier "Farther Oblivion"). Studio Tan wasn't released until 1978, so I really wonder about this coincidence. Hmmm... Worth noting too that this same Guess Who album has a song on it called "Dancin' Fool", also about 4 years before Zappa's.

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Imagine, Walk On The Wild Side, You Can't alwys Get What you Want.

Take your guitar, and play C then F

You can sing these three songs without any chord changing

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Pink Floyd's Echoes and The Phantom Of The Opera. Blatant rip off.

Also, compare Bo Diddley's self titled song with The Who's Magic Bus and The Rolling Stone's Not Fade Away


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Pink Floyd's Echoes and The Phantom Of The Opera. Blatant rip off.

Also, compare Bo Diddley's self titled song with The Who's Magic Bus and The Rolling Stone's Not Fade Away
Also Floyds pigs on the wings part 1 and 2.

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Imagine, Walk On The Wild Side, You Can't alwys Get What you Want.

Take your guitar, and play C then F

You can sing these three songs without any chord changing
Better yet, the Stones' "Street Fightin' Man" played at a slow tempo gives you Reed's "Walk On The Wild Side" -- just C to F, or the I and the IV in any key!

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Then there is the Vanilla Ice song 'Ice Ice Baby' that has the same music at the beginning, as the Queen/Bowie song 'Under Pressure' Mr. Ice has admitted that his song does sound similar, but his version has one extra note.


Honestly, I would much rather listen to Vanilla Ice than Eminem. That is one annoying motherfucker!

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Isaac wrote:
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Then there is the Vanilla Ice song 'Ice Ice Baby' that has the same music at the beginning, as the Queen/Bowie song 'Under Pressure' Mr. Ice has admitted that his song does sound similar, but his version has one extra note.


Honestly, I would much rather listen to Vanilla Ice than Eminem. That is one annoying motherfucker!

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Well, Mr. Mathers got fat (No, not "phat"!) so he's not being invested in and backed by promotors and recording company execs and investors anymore so you won't see that stupid twat around "shocking" (LOL!) us now.

Maybe he'll return to his mama (Reconciled after she sued him.), he could go unnoticed in such a place.

But Isaac, just how much of "Vanilla Ass-Cum" could you really endure??? :shock:

(Hey, Elton! Does Eminenima spit or swallow? :mrgreen: )

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As a lifelong fan I've noticed his guitar solos seem to flow togeather like one infinate solo, (Conceptual continuity?) The solo on holiday in berlin full blown is a good example of this, I grew up with Jazz Musicians who loved his music but HATED his guitar playing. (HE NEVER PLAYS OVER CHORD CHANGES!! Fuck them his playing was unique and beautiful.(In my opinion}


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