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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:59 pm 
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I can't really compare Zappa to Lou Reed because Zappa's music was far superior in every aspet.

That being said, I do like the live album "Rock and Roll Animal" because of the contributions of Dick Wagner and Steve Hunter who's guitar work is phenominal.

But Zappa is light years ahead of Lou Reed both musically and social commentary wise.
I'm still at a loss to explain why, of all possible comparisons, this Zappa/Reed shit goes on and on and on. I'll just assume it's an inside joke that I'm just not in on -- and this is not the only "Zappa vs. Reed" thread here.

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Zappa/Lou Reed:

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Zappa is God, Lou is Jesus, and the lord only knows who is the Holy Ghost.

Pointless to compare them; they both be doing/have done different things.


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Oh, and on that whole 'they hated each other' thing, they both (equally, mind you) acted childishly about it. Except Zappa I think wound up liking some of their songs.


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Ha ha ha, the War still rages. In NYC Hipster Culture, Zappa is considered unhip and "for nerds and obnoxious Italian Brooklynites only." Meanwhile Reed & the VU are considered authentic and "cool." I don't agree with it but that's the way it is. If you are a young fellow and want to get laid, dress like Lou and hide your FZ records in the closet.


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i think the reason they differ is that they are so similar

both started their careers as doo wop producers
both fused rock and roll with, shall we say, highbrow influences
both saw their groups as extensions of themselves
both had formidable female members in their groups (ruth and nico)
both made shitty records of "electronic music" (franceco and metal machine)
both had dancers in their act
both had deep, idiosyncratic voices
both would re-arrange their songs throughout their career
both significantly changed their sound in the early 70's after breaking up their groups
both were produced by tom wilson
both were known for having bizarre fashion sense.
both had bass players who alienated their group (scott thunes and john cale, sketchy i know but then again most of these things are. :P)

i think the fact that they are so similar is why this feud exists. Think about it...

The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones
Coke Vs. Pepsi
Diane Sawyer vs. Katie Couric

and now...

Lou Reed vs. Frank Zappa

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Lou Reed Sucked, still sucks, and sucks some more. The Suckiest man in Show biz-Lou Reed.

Hey, Italiano-Are you Sardinian? Normally names endin with "U" are Sards.

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To me it seems that Velvet Underground has more imitators than Zappa/Mothers. Velvets were quite a bizarre group, yet on some reason it inspired many folks, from Brian Eno to Thurston Moore to who knows what other kind of persons to make music and form bands. FZ is bizarre too, but too bizarre for anyone to try emulating him.

It also seems that most people who get into Velvets pay them attention firsthand because it is hip to like them. With the people who discover FZ, that tends to happen out of pure curiosity and there's a bigger chance of developing more sincere fanaticism. I discovered the Velvets when I was 17 while I was getting into all sorts of alternative and indie music and of course in the wake of this that kind of music resonated with me. However, I had virtually no precedent for liking FZ at all at the age of 11, when i simply liked rocking stuff in general, and when I first heard the Mothers of Invention, it blew me away! Various interesting sounds and interesting song structures, even sheds of classicism, but all delivered with the kind of rocking attitude that I admired! I only had read from the newspaper he was some rock guitarist who had wicked sense of humour and a whiff of scandalism to his personality. What I heard at the age of 11 was that, and more!

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ichinyo wrote:
Lou Reed Sucked, still sucks, and sucks some more. The Suckiest man in Show biz-Lou Reed.

Hey, Italiano-Are you Sardinian? Normally names endin with "U" are Sards.

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hey, leave lou's sex life out of this :P

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It seems that Lou just rode on the coat-tails of others to achieve his fame
Whether John Cale, Dick Wagner or whoever the bass player was on 'Walk on the Wild Side'
maybe he did write a few catchy tunes in the old days...
I never got into him 'cos his voice irritated me
He does seem to be the most over-rated artist in the annals of modern pop

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mutronboy wrote:
[...]Whether John Cale, Dick Wagner or whoever the bass player was on 'Walk on the Wild Side'[...]


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heh...thanks LG
knew it must've been someone more talented than Lou...

well...we all need someone to bash occasionally...I pick Lou

didn't realise Herbie was in Blue Mink...

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i couldnt be objective cause i havent heard reeds music that much.but as to the musicality of what ive heard id probably need a qualude to stimulate me.you know if frank wasnt in the ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME id probably be more content.....knowing that the bogus award systems were consistent......but than again they were predictable..handing out awards to those they ignored when they are not there to reject the bogus offer.....so i would suggest it to be totally appropriate to have lou reed induct frank zappa cause according to all the informed jokers on this forum..he hated frank just the same as the industry itself...self fullfilling


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 Post subject: zappa vs lou reed
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i couldnt be objective cause i havent heard reeds music that much.but as to the musicality of what ive heard id probably need a qualude to stimulate me.you know if frank wasnt in the ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME id probably be more content.....knowing that the bogus award systems were consistent......but than again they were predictable..handing out awards to those they ignored when they are not there to reject the bogus offer.....so i would suggest it to be totally appropriate to have lou reed induct frank zappa cause according to all the informed jokers on this forum..he hated frank just the same as the industry itself...self fullfilling


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I remember reading something in the Top 100 albums of the last 20 years (1967-1987) issue of Rolling Stone that mentioned something about how Verve decided not to spend as much on The Velvet Underground as they did on FZ and the Mothers (in fact, there was a quote to the effect of "zero bucks for Warhol - let's give all the money to Zappa" or something like that). Does anyone happen to know more about this?


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