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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:39 am 
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This is quite shocking indeed, Zappa is not always as nice as they say he is. But then again, who is?


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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:59 pm 
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[quote author=MentalTossFlycoon link=board=legends;num=1088199016;start=0#0 date=06/25/04 at 14:30:16]Less than a week into the tour - after the band played at the Aladdin Hotel in Las Vegas - Nehoda allegedly made off with Frank's take from that show (and possibly another) and lost it all in the casino. When he realized what he had done, he went up to his room and killed himself.[/quote]<br>Death rather than face the wrath of Frank? I know Frank was intimidating, but...<br>Yeah, it is truly sad. And the guy truly was a chump. Threw his life away over fucking money? ::)<br>Thanks for the story, MTF. Pretty weird.<br>I've always associated that song with a particular type of overly dramatic whiney type of person. <br>Anybody remember that guy from the movie Bachelor Party? ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:41 pm 
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No, Swifty, I only remember the "Chippendale" dancer who offered a "sausage" on a platter to a group of ladies ;D However, I do recall an interview( not long after this man committed suicide) with Frank, and he was asked why the road manager did it. He replied that he did'nt know and that"who knows what someone thinks in their own death chamber?" or words to that effect---so maybe he did'nt know about any money gone missing or maybe he just did'nt know why anyone would do that in the first place. Sad story in any case.

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:52 am 
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[quote author=dove_grey link=board=legends;num=1088199016;start=0#3 date=06/26/04 at 01:41:41]No, Swifty, I only remember the "Chippendale" dancer who offered a "sausage" on a platter to a group of ladies ;D [/quote]<br> ;D<br>As a surprise for the groom, his friends flew in one of their friends that they hadn't seen since high school. Well, this guy had become a real mess. So throughout the movie he's whining and trying to drown himself in the bathroom at the party, etc. You know, suicide attempts that couldn't really work just to get attention. They all take it in stride. <br>After a while you're hoping he'll go 'head on'n get it over with then.<br>It's one of those movies that pops up on TV all the time. No need to rent it.

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:57 am 
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Yep,and Tom Hanks was robbed out of an early Oscar for his sterling performance! ;D ::)

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:15 am 
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I certainly cannot add anything as to why a person commits suicide.  I lived with someone for many years, who after we split up took his own life (several years after).  I never expected that, and felt that I never really knew him.  He was very ill for a while, but then again so are other people and they never put a gun to their head.  He had some violent tendencies, but nothing overt.  I think everybody has these thoughts at some time or other, but what makes one person go ahead and another stop short?

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:37 am 
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I know a real-life suicide chump and Zappa has a good point.<br><br>A suicide chump is not someone who commits suicide, it's someone who survives a suicide attempt.  There is a world of difference.<br><br>Someone who truly wants to end it all will succeed.  Someone who wants the world to pay attention to their misery without actually ending it all, will try and fail to off themselves.  Sometimes they DO succeed, but that isn't their real intention.<br><br>This gal has tried several times to off herself, by the least likely means possible.  She takes lots of pills, "changes her mind" at the last minute and calls a friend (not a poison hotline or 9-1-1) and her friend "rescues" her.  That's what gives her life meaning.<br><br>One of these days, her friends won't rescue her and she can stop being a chump.

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
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Here's another tracer, from a post on the u-m forums by the guy who was hired to replace Nehoda:<br><br>Phil Kaufman:<br>"I had just finished a tour with Emmylou when I got a call from a friend of Eddie Tickner who had something to do with the Zappa management firm. Zappa's road manager, Ron Nehota, had committed suicide. <br>The story is that Ron had spent $10,000 of the tour money on drugs and gambling during the first night of a tour. He had done a lot of coke which was a no-no in Zappa's band... Anyway, Ron had cut his armpits, the souls of his feet, and his crotch. He was bleeding badly, Zappa had a fellow named Pancho who was a bag-man -- not the Vegas-type bagman, but he went out and did the luggage... He had come around and heard someone moaning inside the room. John Smothers was standing with him... John was a big, big, black guy with a bald head. He was very intimidating. (He owned a limosine company in Baltimore). Pancho and John knocked on the door but couldn't get any response, so they got a maid to open the door. There was a stream of blood from the bathroom all the way to the door. Ron was lying there moaning, and John said, "Say there, Pancho, you better get some mouth-to-mouth resuscitation there." Pancho replied, "Man he don't need air, he needs blood." <br><br>So I got a call from Zappa's manager, Bennett Glotzer, in June of 1977, asking if I could come that night to Arizona to take over the tour. I said I could make it the next day. They flew me to Baton Rouge where I met Frank. I was handed a briefcase with blood-stained accounts and road gear in it, all of which I had to sort through to get the tour on the road."<br><br>     From: Bill Harrington (VideoAsst@aol.com)<br>Phil's comments about Ron are accurate to the best of my recollection. I had heard that this wasn't the first time Ron gambled a band's profits away. Baccarat was his vise. I was told he hoped to recoup a previous loss and when he lost a second fortune, lost hope. Frank addressed the band and crew regarding this event the next day. Most of us found out about it a few minutes before Frank came on stage. He was visibly upset and said that if Ron had just talked to him he would have said "O.K., just pay the money back." Of course if Ron was already in the hole, that wouldn't have been possible.<br><br>Ironically it was because of Ron that I was hired, though I only met and only spoke to him briefly a few hours before his death. He impressed me as a very nice person. Everyone I met who knew him spoke very highly of him.<br><br>Poncho, who was responsible for the entourage's luggage was only about 18 at the time. He was deeply affected for quite a while. <br><br>-- Bill Harrington

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
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[quote author=LumpyGravy link=board=legends;num=1088199016;start=0#8 date=06/26/04 at 09:05:00]<br>I don't believe this guy Nehoda killed himself because he feared the wrath of Zappa. I mean, what was he afraid of? That Zappa would kill him? Torture him?[/quote]<br><br>Vercotti: [s]Doug[/s] Frank. (takes a drink) Well, I was terrified of him. Everyone was terrified of [s]Doug[/s] Frank. I've seen grown men pull their own heads off rather than face [s]Doug[/s] Frank. Even Dinsdale was frightened of [s]Doug[/s] Frank.<br><br>Interviewer: What did he do?<br><br>Vercotti: He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious.<br><br>Presenter (voice over): By a combination of violence and sarcasm, [s]the Piranha brothers[/s] Frank Zappa controlled [...]<br><br>(A slightly modified Monty Python skit that probably isn't too far off.) Image

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 Post subject: re:suicide chump
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:17 am 
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[center]Image[/center][center][sup]don't do it  :o[/sup][/center]

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 Post subject: Re: re:suicide chump
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[quote author=slime.oofytv.set link=board=legends;num=1088199016;start=15#16 date=07/05/04 at 13:17:57][center]Image[/center][center][sup]don't do it  :o[/sup][/center][/quote]<br><br>More Zappa related paintingsa by these artists...<br><br>http://www.bauwel-movement.co.uk/zappa.php<br><br>Nice !<br>


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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:20 pm 
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Very unusual paintings! Not all my cup of meat, but what the fuck?

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:21 am 
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presumably there would have been a coroners inquiry into the suicide - checking out the circumstances and all that - if so would not the report be on public record in Veges ? i would have thought so - police records too - perhaps even a FZ police statement especially as the guy had effectivily stolen a pile of cash. maybe on pc these days . anyway these would shed more light on the issue for sure if someone interested enough wanted to look - not me though !<br><br>mungo

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
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In the public interest, here is the very best way to kill yourself and make sure it's quick and foolproof -- IF that's what you really want.<br><br>1) Find a railroad track with a nice curve and some bushes or trees nearby, and consistent rail traffic;<br><br>2) hide in the bushes (on the INSIDE of the curve) until a train slows down to come around the bend;<br><br>3) wait for the long flatbed cars to come by -- they have the longest wheelbases (the most space between sets of wheels);<br><br>4) now comes the hard part.  position yourself so that you can put your head on the inside track right afterthe front set of wheels passes you.  It will be loud and scary, so you have to be determined;<br><br>5) as the front wheels pass by, hook your chin over the rail with your neck clean over the rail.  Keep your hands at your sides if possible;<br><br>6) you will get a quick, clean slice right through the neck.<br><br>Note optional -- tell the fuckers how you feel.<br><br><br>(Taking your own life isn't a glamorous thing.  It isn't trendy and it isn't neat.  It is only tragic to those you've left behind -- it can sometimes wreck their lives far more than you thought your own life was wrecked.  <br><br>They will miss you -- but they will hate and despise you for doing so far more than they will miss you, even if they understand why you did it.<br><br>For this reason, you have to be sure that you don't have a reason to live.  <br><br>Try not to pretend to want to kill yourself so that your friends can "rescue" you.  One day, they won't.<br><br>Try and get it right the first time -- but not by looking for a bridge.  The train method is foolproof.<br><br>There's nothing worse than a suicide chump.

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
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yes - i was on a train that hit a guy about 12 years ago -suicide , not an accident. the train was a tiny local thing only three carriages long i think  travelling 10 miles between Hull and Beverley  and we where sitting right next to the drivers cab door - half way into the trip the train came to a sudden halt and the driver comes out, opens the door and gets onto the track - five minutes later he returns and says to us - suicide - we would never have known if he hadnt told us. the train waited about 1/2 an hour ( presumably until the cops arrived ) then commenced the trip - i think we where the only people aboard to know why we had stopped until it was reported in the local papers next day .<br>yeah - in london the tube drivers get two weeks off work if they hit someone - its hard on the train drivers.<br><br>mungo

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
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[quote author=LumpyGravy link=board=legends;num=1088199016;start=15#19 date=07/06/04 at 07:13:01]<br><br>I don't like them either.[/quote]<br><br>Now, I can't say I am overly fond of them  But the artist has gone to the trouble of trying to find unique images of the songs.  They are shocking, but much good art is, until we get so used to it that it's about as interesting as Thomas Kincaid.

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide Chump
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So you would recommend the bridge route, as FZ does?<br><br>I was waiting for the BART train in the late-70's when a despondent and very drunk woman jumped on the track and hugged the third-rail.  The platform was crowded with commuters waiting for a train when she fried herself.<br><br>First, there was an unearthly shriek and the lights dimmed, then the unmistakable sound of sizzling (very brief).  Soon, the stench of frying skin and shit filled the air.  She was snagged and it was a minute or two before power was cut.<br><br>BART has probably moved into second place (behind the Golden Gate bridge) for Bay Area public suicides.  <br><br>The bridge is quite high and most of the time, the bodies wash well out to sea, which is a big advantage.

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