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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:07 pm 
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yeah, this is a day of exploiting.

I've said it before. I don't believe the official story behind 911.
I don't believe that the airplanes could cause the two towers to collapse the way they did.
and, why did the third wtc-building collapse the exact same way, without even being hit by anything whatsoever?

and flight 93? what happened on that field in pennsylvania? no wreckage, no bodies, no nothing...

and the crash at pentagon? no details, hardly any damage...
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but, I don't believe the conspiracy theorists who say that 'the government was in on it', either.
that's no real explanation. no proof, no real reason, not anything really.

one alleged reason would be that 'they' needed 'an excuse' to increase surveillance on the american people, and a reason to invade afghanistan and iraq. sounds a bit far-fetched to me. the us government (and most governments all over the world) have, for decades, been checking in on what the people are up to. 'they' don't need 'terrorist attacks' as an excuse for spying on their citizens.
and, the invasion of iraq took place because iraq had 'weapons of mass destruction', remember?...
'they' already had an excuse for that.

no, as always with these kind of atrocities, I think the real reason lies somewhere inbetween the official explanations and the conspiracy theories.

sometimes, I even think that the 'conspiracy theories' are planted by the people who know the real truth. to confuse things even further...
now, how's that for a conspiracy theory?...

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anyway, I don't think we'll ever get to know the truth about 911.

but, I do wish there could be a more serious debate as to why it happened?

(not just here on the zappa forum, but... everywhere...)

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I could barely make it through that commentary, Olbermann is as guilty of exacerbating 911 as the people he is talking about, he is a propagandist, what is to be said about Obama AND McCain going to the tower site TOGETHER to day? Read Pedro's post and educate your self.


As usual,I can barely make it through your post,Bravo.

If you honestly think the Republicans haven't exploited 9/11,you
should crawl back to the rock you've been living under for the last 7 years.


Wow you so smart!! My point was that the Democrats have done the same, as defined by Olberblowhard. So have some more Kool Aid and go ahead and be as Divisive as can be , be sure to keep the polarisation My opinion also is that your political thoughts are very one sided. By the way why do you care? Why not focus on what it is either of these candidates can do for the country if elected.


You so smart,Bravo! My political thoughts ARE one sided.
After 8 years of Dubya,why should they be any other way?

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[quote="Lumpy Gravy"]


I don't believe that the airplanes could cause the two towers to collapse the way they did.

and, why did the third wtc-building collapse the exact same way, without even being hit by anything whatsoever?

and flight 93? what happened on that field in pennsylvania? no wreckage, no bodies, no nothing...

and the crash at pentagon? no details, hardly any damage...

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1. But they did, and there is no evidence of controlled demolition, so? Christ, the PORT AUTHORITY built those damn things. I'm surprised they didn't fall down by themselves 30 years ago.
2. "not hit buy anything whatsoever?" Not true.
3. Flight 93? Watch this vid of an "eerily similar" incident from 1987:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7h7Ll8Dl4
4. No details, no damage? Do not dead bodies and plane wreakage count?Read this book: Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11 by Patrick Creed, Rick Newman


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brainpang wrote:
1. But they did, and there is no evidence of controlled demolition, so? Christ, the PORT AUTHORITY built those damn things. I'm surprised they didn't fall down by themselves 30 years ago.
2. "not hit buy anything whatsoever?" Not true.
3. Flight 93? Watch this vid of an "eerily similar" incident from 1987:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7h7Ll8Dl4
4. No details, no damage? Do not dead bodies and plane wreakage count?Read this book: Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11 by Patrick Creed, Rick Newman


I don't understand what you're trying to say.

I am not blaming 911 on anyone, I am just asking questions.

you posted a link to video, and you tell me to read a book.

what are your own thoughts?

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Lumpy Gravy wrote:

I am just asking questions.



That's the standard response of 911 troofers when one catches them in a lie.


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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
I am just asking questions.
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That's the standard response of 911 troofers when one catches them in a lie.


I haven't claimed to be a 911 'troofer'. who could?

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For those who simply dismiss "conspiracy theories" summarily there is only one possibility for them to conclude about 9/11/01 itself: Nothing ever happened. It would require a well-coordinated conspiracy to orchestrate, coordinate and perpetrate what was alleged to have happened but that could not have happened because conspiracies cannot and do not happen. It's undeniably simple, self-evident and the only logical correlation possible.

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 Post subject: New collapse videos
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New video of WTC7 collapse...

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16415017FAD ... _and_howto

New video of North Tower collapse:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16415132HnA ... _and_howto

You might need to download Adobe Flash.

See also...

http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/11/ ... -collapse/

http://www.911blogger.com/node/18358

These ain't your daddy's WTC collapse videos. Take a look!


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WT7: I'll ask the obvious here: how come no videocamera or audio recording or eyewitness has captured or gone on record to state that a series of explosions a la controlled demolition was heard prior to the buildings collapse? Don't forget that these probably would have been heard for miles (within where I was located that day, I might add). The non-audio nature of the footage makes it all the more dramatic. And deceiving.

North Tower: As above (and reports of explosions an hour+ before collapse do not count). Also, why is footage edited? All footage shows the Towers collapse at the weakest point -- exactly at the point of impact. And that moment has proved to be the most silent moment in history (for me, at least)


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I really can't answer your questions, brainpang. I think I've tried to before, but I only have theory and conjecture on those queries. If you really want to, you can find eyewitnesses to the WTC7 event that heard explosions...but really, there should be audio, eh?

You don't think those were obvious controlled explosions visible on this new WTC7 video? Along the right-hand side, in a perfect line going up from floor to floor?

Okay.

What I find interesting about these videos is the clarity and angle. You can actually see the center core spire of the tower before it collapses. At least it proves there was one...some debunkers claim the towers did not have central cores.

What I also find interesting is the fact that these were posted anonymously seven years later, just before the election. Sound or not, the WTC7 video is pretty damning, I think.

Thanks for watching!


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 Post subject: In summation...
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http://www.how911wasdone.blogspot.com/

This website is a pretty good summation of all the reasons "conspiracy theorists" doubt the official story.

brainpang, there's some audio here and eyewitness accounts of explosions prior to the building collapses.

I'm not asking anyone to believe everything on the website, I'm just hoping that the viewer will at least see why someone could have doubts about the official line. I don't claim to know exactly what happened, I just know that buildings don't fall that way without a lot of expert help, and that cell phones don't (or didn't) work on airliners in flight, and that our government is loaded with decietful lying bastards.

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The Underlying Politics of 9/11 (Part I):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98hx0XuNnSg

The Underlying Politics of 9/11 (PartII):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq1dmyj7610


Total time: < 20 min.

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9/11 Blueprint for Truth (2008 Edition) - 1:59:06
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4617650616903609314

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth: http://www.AE911Truth.org Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice: http://www.STJ911.org Firefighters for 9/11 Truth: http://www.firefightersfor911truth.org

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It's pretty sad that Richard Gage's wife left him over his 911 obsession.

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Canadian TV program:

CBC - The Fifth Estate - The Unofficial Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkYlbpS-vVI

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Blame Canada!


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Canadian TV program:

CBC - The Fifth Estate - The Unofficial Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkYlbpS-vVI


Informative Mr. GG :)

The info on the cell phone calls ( or lack of ) , is something to look into.

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Blame Canada!


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Just watch out for Scott, he's a dick!

I wonder if the Fifth Estate episode was commisioned while Saddam Hussein was prime minister of Canada!

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BBC now admits al qaeda never existed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYorNi0nA

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http://bigeye.com/anatomy_of_the_911_coverup.htm

A fascinating analysis of apparent self-incrimination in the events of 911...well worth the 75 minutes...

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i was in class and all the kids could say was cool and who care we dont live there wow BEAVIS WOW RIP :cry:


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9/11 arrest pilot Lotfi Raissi wins compensation battle

A pilot wrongly accused over the 9/11 attacks in the US has won his legal battle for compensation.


Lotfi Raissi, an Algerian-born British resident, was arrested in the UK shortly after the attacks amid claims that he was a key member of the plot.

He was held in custody for nearly five months before being released when a judge found there was no evidence to link him to any form of terrorism.

The Ministry of Justice has said Mr Raissi is "eligible" for compensation.

It is believed that the claim could run into thousands of pounds.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8640659.stm

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Sir Michael Caine 'predicted 9/11 in novel'

Sir Michael Caine unwittingly predicted the 9/11 terror attacks in a novel he was writing prior to the events of September 2001, the actor has revealed.


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Sir Michael said he stopped writing his novel after the 9/11 attacks

"I had this plot where terrorists fly a plane into a London skyscraper," he can be heard telling Mark Lawson in BBC Radio 4's Front Row on Wednesday.

"Then they did it in real life. I was stunned by that, so I stopped writing."

The 77-year-old was speaking ahead of the publication of his autobiography, The Elephant to Hollywood.

The veteran actor revealed he still hoped to write a novel and hoped to do so prior to his 80th birthday in 2013.

The book, he said, would be "a thriller about terrorism - the sort of thing I read all the time".

"It'll be for guys," continued the two-time Oscar recipient. "It won't be a great literary effort."

Sir Michael was seen earlier this year in futuristic thriller Inception, his fourth film collaboration with the British director Christopher Nolan.

The actor said he would resume writing "when I finish Batman, if I make Batman" - a reference to a proposed follow-up to Nolan's earlier blockbusters Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

The Alfie and Get Carter star - whose new memoir refers to his childhood in the Elephant and Castle area of south London - played Alfred the butler in both movies.

"I'm completely booked up for three years so I'm okay," he told Lawson. "I'll be 80 when it's finished and I might retire."

Sir Michael's interview can be heard on Front Row on BBC Radio 4 on Wednesday at 1915 BST.

The Elephant to Hollywood, published by Hodder & Stoughton, is available from Thursday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11433926

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