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 Post subject: Pierre Boulez on FZ
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:25 pm 
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This is an excerpt of a TV-documentation about Boulez where he speaks about FZ. I went to work and constructed a little clip for the tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrQ6_gd2yYQ


Speaker: "...excursions, not only in art and poetry. Boulez also seeked the experiment with strange musical contemporarys like FZ. Their common CD "Boulez conducts Zappa" is something like a crossover between popular and serious music."

Boulez: "Zappa was a big exception in the realm of popular music. I am always open and curios on strong personalities. When Zappa came to me and asked me to play something of his, I said: 'Of course, that interests me'. When I decided a program with his works, I have also chosen pieces of Charles Yves and Elliot Carter. I did that consciously to show the audiences, that I not only wanted to blend a little bit of pop into serious music. I wanted to confront this division of music, which Zappa himself considered very serious, with a prestigious and more intellectual composer like Elliot Carter and Charles Yves, an exception in the american world of music.
Two exceptionals and one pylon(???).
I considered Frank Zappa througout seriously, incidentally I met him everytime when I visited LA and we had spent an evening together. He explained me his plans for the future, which he just achieved before he died."

Warning/Guarantee: This tranlation is better than babel-fish could, even it is not perfect. BUT there is one word, I couldn't understand, I guess they left it in french. Maybe someone can help, especially a person who lives IN FRANCE.
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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
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My girlfriend and I heard "pylône" as well... I wonder what this means :? :? :?


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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
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Pylons are flanking towers on either side of an entrance door or gateway, orig. in Egypt and Greek architecture, but commonly used to describe anything that looks like this:

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Obviously he's thinking of Carter and Ives as kinda 20th-century contemporary classical mainstream, sideflanked by more non- (or cross-)idiomatic figures like FZ.


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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:49 am 
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I think (know) that Pierre was saying "a Pillar" which holds everything up. As apposed to a "Pylon" which is something that signals things or holds up electric cables....

Hope that helps you all!

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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:16 am 
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Yeah, think you got it!

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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
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Thanks so far!
Next question would be: what does he mean calling Elliot Carter a pylon or pillar?
buffalo_voice wrote:
Pylons are flanking towers on either side of an entrance door or gateway, orig. in Egypt and Greek architecture, but commonly used to describe anything that looks like this:

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Obviously he's thinking of Carter and Ives as kinda 20th-century contemporary classical mainstream, sideflanked by more non- (or cross-)idiomatic figures like FZ.

It seems that he just used the architectural meaning of the word as a metaphorical term for Carter, who has a fixed position in the musical world ("prestigious and more intellectual") against the two more freefloating and excentric exceptions (FZ, Yves). Thanks for the suggestion and the drawing, Buffalo (actually he talks about two exceptions and one pylon, your answer works well anyway).
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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
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I Haven't watched the youtube clip 'cause I remember seeing this interview on...uh...3sat (?) some 3 or 4 years ago. Didn't you quote him as saying 2 exceptionals (Ives & Carter) and 1 pylon (Zappa)? Think I gonna hit the Play button now... :)


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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:43 am 
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What Boulez was saying is that in his "American" programs he used three major composers Yves and Carter as a sort of house and Zappa as a Pillar holding up the lot. Boulez is very full of himself and as such his reference to the three must be taken as "they're good, but i'm much better".

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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
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The_Acadian_2 wrote:
Boulez is very full of himself and as such his reference to the three must be taken as "they're good, but i'm much better".

He's a sane guy. He wouldn't possibly be talking trash like this :wink:

watched the interview -- Now - he's talking of Zappa and Ives as 'outsiders' and Carter as a Pylon (in the sense of 'landmark') in contemporary classical music , the German voice-over being a very close translation of the original French -- He's referring to Zappa coming from the POp (sic :) ) world and to Ives as being an exceptional case in early 20th century American classical, having little support and an overall low acceptance by his more established contemporaries (= like minds? 8) )

Carter had great support by Boulez himself, from the 50s on - he must be well over 100 now, no?


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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
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The_Acadian_2 wrote:
What Boulez was saying is that in his "American" programs he used three major composers Yves and Carter as a sort of house and Zappa as a Pillar holding up the lot. Boulez is very full of himself and as such his reference to the three must be taken as "they're good, but i'm much better".

Maybe Zappa was Pierre Boulez Food & Shelter
from over obsessing in one particular modern musical structure
for too long.

Not calling Boulez' commentary French Taunting
but that whole "I'm Much Better"
could be said for lots of French Social Commentary so
there is no need to isolate PB as an arrogant Fetche Le Muche.

French Taunting - Monty Python and the Holy Grail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs

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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
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Whät?

[I'm hopelessly lost when it comes to Trendmonger's ballyhoo, and there's not even a 'pylon' in it]

Trendmonger wrote:
but that whole "I'm Much Better"
could be said for lots of French Social Commentary
And lotsatimes, they’re absolutely right :)


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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
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buffalo_voice wrote:
Pylons are flanking towers on either side of an entrance door or gateway, orig. in Egypt and Greek architecture, but commonly used to describe anything that looks like this:

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Obviously he's thinking of Carter and Ives as kinda 20th-century contemporary classical mainstream, sideflanked by more non- (or cross-)idiomatic figures like FZ.


I like how you have copyrighted this little sketch Buff :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
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Interesting interview...interesting interpetatons. :?


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 Post subject: Re: Pierre Boulez on FZ
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buffalo_voice wrote:
The_Acadian_2 wrote:
Boulez is very full of himself and as such his reference to the three must be taken as "they're good, but i'm much better".

He's a sane guy. He wouldn't possibly be talking trash like this :wink:

watched the interview -- Now - he's talking of Zappa and Ives as 'outsiders' and Carter as a Pylon (in the sense of 'landmark') in contemporary classical music , the German voice-over being a very close translation of the original French -- He's referring to Zappa coming from the POp (sic :) ) world and to Ives as being an exceptional case in early 20th century American classical, having little support and an overall low acceptance by his more established contemporaries (= like minds? 8) )

Carter had great support by Boulez himself, from the 50s on - he must be well over 100 now, no?


French being my mother tongue and the interview being straightforward (not possibly leading to misinterpretations),
i can say you are spot on with your explaination.
PB is using "pylone" in the sense of "supporting column", Carter being the backbone of his concert.


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