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Muddy Waters - You Need Love:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPpwaVkVGF4

Ripped off by Zeppelin's Whole Lotta Love.

Chuck Berry - You Can't Catch Me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrDoy4LDDCg

Ripped of by Beatles' Come Together.

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Final song is such a rip-off.

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Did anyone think about Cosmik Debris being "inspired" in Who Knows by Hendrix?

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May I suggest:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_plagiarism

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The most ripped off heavy metal riff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoyEVTN_h9I

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:17 pm 
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Vanusa ripped off by Back Sabbath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDwh5AjXsVM

Plagiarism and similarities in music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgQmvlYGs7M

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZeHaol_Qfs

MUSIC PLAGIARISM: The Most Obvious Song Copies! (46 SONGS!) Biggest Plagiarism Claims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0wsiLdPVWQ

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Let' be honest !
If they were to sue everyone who uses, or have used, that ol' 12 bars blues sequence and all the little cosmetic changes done to it, there would be a lot of peoples at the Court.
And Mr. W.C. Handy (apparently the first to use it) would collect a huge amount of money.

In a key, there's 7 natural notes, and 3 major chords, 3 minor chords, and a diminished one.
Just plain mathematics that someone repeats an already used combination.

Unless you spend a lot of time and use your brain to comme with something relatively new.

But...
in that age of downloaded music and people wanting it free, it would be very surprizing that an
artist would spend months to do another "Sergeant Pepper's", or "Tommy", etc...
when that artist knows very well that any smart hacker kid will steal it in 5 minutes and spread it
worldwide free. Who would work all that time for nothing ?

So, prepare to hear the same easy stuff we hear everyday.
The days of "chef-d'oeuvre" are mostly behind us. At least in the mean stream.
SAD, SAD, SAD

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:21 pm 
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Mij wrote:
Just plain mathematics that someone repeats an already used combination.


Mathematically it's almost infinite, really. Notes repeat in many different ways. And if you're dealing with the chromatic scale...forget it. There's a fine line somewhere between rip off and coincidence, or inspiration/borrowing and purposeful deceit. It's got more to do with distinctive melodies and less to do with chord progressions. Although sometimes chord progressions do form distinctive melodies, don't they?

In the case of that Sabbath tune Mr GG posted, it is about a chord progression. A progression played in a very specific way. It's not Neil Young and Crazy Horse just strumming well worn folkrock progressions with loud guitars. It's a real Tony Iommi type of riff, actually. Has he admitted to ripping it off? Or who ripped who? The Sabbath tune came out in '73 as well. Mr GG did not give any month. Who heard who first? Where's the evidence? It seems too much of a coincidence. Do we even know when this Sabbath/Vanusa riff was first performed in front of an audience by either band?

It's subjective, but I have my own idea of where I draw the line. Both of those songs have enough going for them without that riff, and I certainly don't advocate lawsuits unless it's completely unavoidable.


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Vanusa's LP was issued first and the track had no repercussion of whatsoever. The Sabbath album is from December. But she stated that she believes its a coincidence (I was only being polemic). Someone else composed it. She went on to relative national obscurity and ended up going viral on YT after a snafu, under the influence of prescription drugs and what else, while performing the national anthem in the opening of a solemnity (you don't need to know the tune to understand something very wrong is going on :oops: ):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w9MpztV4gk

PS. this is in the papers here because BlS is touring Br this year.

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Apparently some Sabbath fans say BlS played the song live before the album. Vanusa's LP is from September.

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downer mydnyte wrote:
Mij wrote:
Just plain mathematics that someone repeats an already used combination.

Mathematically it's almost infinite, really. Notes repeat in many different ways. And if you're dealing with the chromatic scale...forget it.

Sure, but some combinations will repeat themselves just because they're pleasing to the ears and sound somewhat "natural".
Some melodies will end up being very similar, if not identical.
Money has to be made. To sell music for the mass, you must please the mass.
They shoud be able to "sing" the melody. You can't go too far and too deep.
I don't think I'll ever see someone whistling a piece from "Jazz from Hell".

I guess a lot of honest songwriters were not aware of copying someone else.
It will happen again in popular music.
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Mij wrote:
Sure, but some combinations will repeat themselves just because they're pleasing to the ears and sound somewhat "natural".
Some melodies will end up being very similar, if not identical.
Money has to be made. To sell music for the mass, you must please the mass.
They shoud be able to "sing" the melody. You can't go too far and too deep.
I don't think I'll ever see someone whistling a piece from "Jazz from Hell".

I guess a lot of honest songwriters were not aware of copying someone else.
It will happen again in popular music.
8)

You mean progressions like vi-iv-i-v? I think plagiarism is beyond that. I wouldn't consider, for example Otherside by RHCP to be stolen from Bold As Love by Hendrix.

This riff is identical to All Blues by Miles Davis. I wouldn't consider it plagiarism, though.

https://youtu.be/u_ColANWa9o

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You mean progressions like vi-iv-i-v? I think plagiarism is beyond that. I wouldn't consider, for example Otherside by RHCP to be stolen from Bold As Love by Hendrix.
This riff is identical to All Blues by Miles Davis. I wouldn't consider it plagiarism, though.
https://youtu.be/u_ColANWa9o

I don't see much ressemblances between Otherside and Bold As Love.
When I listen to Otherside, Bold As Love never cross my mind.
If there was plagiarism, it should cross my mind.
And I can't tell about Miles Davis, I don't really know him.

This being said...
I just agree with Frank when he said that all the good chords have been played. And all the progressions too I'd add.
Plagiarism ? It's really about THE melody. That's where it's at.
Using the same chords sequence, if it was a big don't, there would be no more music made.
Thus my 12 bar blues example.

I think we can agree on that.

Another thing...
We have 5 senses and hearing is the one with the less "memory".
All those Blues bands know the golden rule when they perform.
You certainly have, in Blues, a lot of tunes on the same chords sequence but if you have
two songs with the same chords and the same beat (just different lyrics), put another song between
that has a different beat, other chords, at least something that sets it apart.
Suppose songs 1 and 2 are almost identical, mostly twins. Put another song in between.
When song 2 arrives, peoples in general won't remember song 1.
Unless you're a musician who listens.

I had a blues band once. I tried to do some stuff with different chords sequence, changing keys, all that stuff, while keeping the blues feel (that tuplet feeling I like). I was starting a "Progessive Blues" thing I guess.
You know what ? Blues peoples want their 12-bar blues. If you don't give it to them, they stop listening.
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Mij wrote:
wakawazoo wrote:
You mean progressions like vi-iv-i-v? I think plagiarism is beyond that. I wouldn't consider, for example Otherside by RHCP to be stolen from Bold As Love by Hendrix.
This riff is identical to All Blues by Miles Davis. I wouldn't consider it plagiarism, though.
https://youtu.be/u_ColANWa9o

I don't see much ressemblances between Otherside and Bold As Love.
When I listen to Otherside, Bold As Love never cross my mind.
If there was plagiarism, it should cross my mind.
And I can't tell about Miles Davis, I don't really know him.

This being said...
I just agree with Frank when he said that all the good chords have been played. And all the progressions too I'd add.
Plagiarism ? It's really about THE melody. That's where it's at.
Using the same chords sequence, if it was a big don't, there would be no more music made.
Thus my 12 bar blues example.

I think we can agree on that.

Another thing...
We have 5 senses and hearing is the one with the less "memory".
All those Blues bands know the golden rule when they perform.
You certainly have, in Blues, a lot of tunes on the same chords sequence but if you have
two songs with the same chords and the same beat (just different lyrics), put another song between
that has a different beat, other chords, at least something that sets it apart.
Suppose songs 1 and 2 are almost identical, mostly twins. Put another song in between.
When song 2 arrives, peoples in general won't remember song 1.
Unless you're a musician who listens.

I had a blues band once. I tried to do some stuff with different chords sequence, changing keys, all that stuff, while keeping the blues feel (that tuplet feeling I like). I was starting a "Progessive Blues" thing I guess.
You know what ? Blues peoples want their 12-bar blues. If you don't give it to them, they stop listening.
8)

We agree.

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Mr_Green_Genes wrote:
Vanusa's LP was issued first and the track had no repercussion of whatsoever. The Sabbath album is from December. But she stated that she believes its a coincidence (I was only being polemic). Someone else composed it. She went on to relative national obscurity and ended up going viral on YT after a snafu, under the influence of prescription drugs and what else, while performing the national anthem in the opening of a solemnity (you don't need to know the tune to understand something very wrong is going on :oops: ):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w9MpztV4gk

PS. this is in the papers here because BlS is touring Br this year.


Thanks for the further info, Mr GG. Interesting. And that Vanusa tune is a good song! Cool to have heard it. Crazy coincidence, though. The changes are not exact but very close.


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