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It's interesting how Slimer chose to bump a thread in which I was repeatedly attacked for no reason over the mere mention of a talented and brilliant filmmaker. Are you people convinced that he's trolling yet?

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I'm sorry it had to end this way. It was a nice thread, but ultimately it crashed and burned because of a few people who couldn't live with the fact that Ralph Bakshi is a genius and one of the biggest innovators in the art of animation. Maybe, some day, I'll start another thread to discuss his work, but until then, here are the previous comments, including some intelligent thoughts, and some clueless dolts shouting 'Bakshi sucks!,' ignoring all of the man's great achievements.

Everyone who likes films - and especially animation NEEDS to see Ralph's films. Fritz the Cat, Heavy Traffic, Coonskin, Hey Good Lookin', etc., etc., etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Bakshi
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[quote author=LumpyGravy link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=0#1 date=09/28/04 at 04:45:19]And I don't know if Part Two never happened because of 'studio idiocy'. From what I remember, Bakshi never made Part Two, because he ran out of money already while doing Part One.[/quote]<br><br>Rotoscoping is a cheap technique and he paid it with money from his own pocket so that is why he is using it in the movie.<br><br> -/dr_grogg<br><br>

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Bakshi
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[quote author=LumpyGravy link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=0#3 date=09/28/04 at 09:59:02]<br><br>Well, in that case, his pockets weren't deep enough...  ;)<br>[/quote]<br><br>Let's not forget though that Ralph made the animated movie Fritz the cat which is an excellent movie from the seventies.<br><br> ;)<br><br> -/dr_grogg<br><br>

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Bakshi
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[quote author=LumpyGravy link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=0#5 date=09/28/04 at 12:14:00]<br><br>Oh yeah, I saw that one at the movies, but I was <br>way too stoned to remember anything from that one...<br><br>And, for some reason I never did see it again...<br>[hr]<br>I did see Bakshi's Lord of the Rings again, not too long ago. Forgot to mention that in my first post. I borrowed it at the library. That's why I can say that it's still a crappy movie.[/quote]<br>i remember seeing the animated lord of the rings years ago when i was a kid....i was hugely disappointed with it then and i seen it about 5 months ago with my own kids and still wasn't very impressed, my wee boy enjoyed it though<br>

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Bakshi
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I saw the animated Lords of The Rings wow was it bad. I remember hoping for something better<br>It was a big disappointment :'(


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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Bakshi
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Lumpy, you just can't beat the superior intellect of a 15 year old home schooler.<br><br>With Google.<br><br>And obsessed.<br><br>

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 Post subject: Re: Ralph Bakshi
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[quote author=Isaac link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=15#17 date=10/28/04 at 16:56:12]<br><br>Do you think Helen Bannerman was upset over the (Ub Iwerks-directed) cartoon short made in 1935 based on her story, Little Black Sambo?<br><br>No. She wasn't.<br>And Robert Crumb shouldn't have been so upset over Fritz the Cat.<br><br>The reason he got so pissed off had more to do with his huge ego.<br><br><br>As always YOU will never admit that YOU are wrong.<br>YOU are wrong.<br>YOU are absolutely wrong.<br>YOU are incredibly wrong.<br>YOU are always wrong.[/quote]<br><br>isaac,   you started this thread with " i would like your opinions". <br>it seems to me like lumpy gravy gave his,  you dont agree with them, and so now he's an asshole..  what the fuck!! ???  <br>and you rant on about censorship and freedom of speech??  christ!!!! <br><br>i too saw bakshi's lord of the rings in theaters when it first came out.    it was crap..  that's just my opinion..  i'd read the books about 6 times by then. it was hugely disapointing.  so am i an asshole too because i disagree with you about bakshi's  lord of the rings??   lumpy gravy doesn't call YOU an asshole in his first post  OFFERING HIS OPINION--- WHICH YOU ASKED FOR...<br><br>now,  i dont know a lot about crumb,  except i liked reading his stuff in the 70's when i was a wee stoner,  and i remember when fritz the cat came out... i liked it.  i dont know a goddam thing about him being upset when it got made,  or who cheated who, or whether or not crumb has a huge ego or what... <br>but i digress..the point is, lumpy gravy OFFERED HIS OPINION,  IT WAS DIFFERENT THAN YOURS,  AND THAT MAKES HIM AN ASSHOLE?????     it would seem to me that lumpy gravy knows at least as much as you do about the crumb/bakshi/fritz debacle. <br>he has a different opinion than yours.    why cant you accept that without making it so personal and calling him an asshole?<br><br>your last response---- "  i've only been banned from four forums lumpy "  ....  are you proud of that??   or dissapointed that it's not more??  maybe you should try harder--somewhere else.  <br><br>just my opinion..<br><br>ree<br>   <br><br>  

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[quote author=LumpyGravy link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=15#28 date=10/28/04 at 20:24:40]<br><br>Thanks, Reednzl.<br>Isaac has never respected anyone else's opinions during his different memberships on this Forum. Why? I do not know, and I don't care, but he obviously has a problem of some sort.<br>You're right, he asked for our opinions, I gave him mine, and he calls me an asshole. I'm not the first one he has called an asshole, and I won't be the last.<br>[hr]<br>OK. The thing about this whole Crumb/Bakshi/Fritz the Cat thing, is that I REMEMBER reading articles, in both Swedish and International Press, about how Bakshi & Krantz tricked Crumb's wife into selling them the rights to the Fritz characters, after Crumb said no. And, I read these articles back in middle of the '70s. After the movie had been out for a while.<br>I also read Crumb's Comic Books at the time, and before the movie, and I loved them.<br>When I wrote my post, I thought I'd better find a web-site to refer to, and I did. <br>Another Robert Crumb Page<br>[hr]<br>Isaac won't believe me after this post either, but I fucking don't care.  ;D<br><br><br>[/quote]<br><br>well lumpy, i tried.   and i got exactly the response from isaac i expected..   more of the same.. <br>and thanks for that link by the way.    quite informative. <br>

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[quote author=Isaac link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=15#26 date=10/28/04 at 20:15:44]<br><br>I'm not proud of being banned from any forum.<br>I was merely correcting him.<br><br>My disappointment in that area concerns the fact that not all moderators understand the concept of "free speech."<br><br>Back to topic.[/quote]<br><br>you dont seem to understand that privately owned and run web sites do NOT offer anybody "free speech" rights...  if you piss people off by the things you say in thier forums,  they kick you out.   the WORLD WIDE WEB is not governed by the constitution of the united states.   our free speech rights just dont apply.     will you ever come to terms with that?? <br><br>

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[quote author=Isaac link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=30#32 date=10/28/04 at 20:42:57]<br><br>Me telling you that you are acting like a jackass?<br><br><br>"Informative."<br>I've never heard that word used in referance to something that is complete and utter bullshit before.<br>Hmm...[/quote]<br><br>see how easy it was to get under your skin isaac???? <br>you need to lighten up, yer gonna have a stroke before<br>you're old enough to vote.   i offered my perspective,  tried <br>to not insult you, and now i'm a fucking asshole..   you are so <br>predictable.   i knew it would not take much !

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Isaac do you ever wonder why no one likes you?  ::)


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BTW, Isaac, I didnt even bother reading all your posts. Your just talking the same old shit over and over. Starting the same old arguments for some pointless reason(s) none of us at the Zappa forum understand. Damn you really are a fucked up kid...and I've seen ERASERHEAD.


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[center][quote author=ERASERHEAD link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=30#36 date=10/29/04 at 00:45:12]...and I've seen ERASERHEAD.[/quote]<br>Image<br>...chill out...[/center]


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[quote author=ERASERHEAD link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=30#36 date=10/29/04 at 00:45:12]BTW, Isaac, I didnt even bother reading all your posts. Your just talking the same old shit over and over. Starting the same old arguments for some pointless reason(s) none of us at the Zappa forum understand. Damn you really are a fucked up kid...and I've seen ERASERHEAD.[/quote]<br><br>Remember the quote about when you say something enough many times, people start believing it?<br><br> -/dr_grogg<br><br>

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[quote author=Isaac link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=30#39 date=10/30/04 at 16:47:55]<br><br>No. Because it isn't true.<br>Message Boards in the United States are NOT privately owned, and they ARE constitutionally protected.<br>And you know it, reed.<br><br>I'm through with you.<br>You don't know jack squat about censorship.<br>Next time you speak to me, talk sense, or just don't talk to me at all.[/quote]<br><br>show me isaac,   PROVE to me that message boards in the united states are protected by the constitution.   have the bill of rights been amended??   has the constitution been re-writen?? <br> <br>and who are you to presume WHAT i know or dont know?? <br><br>tell me, who owns THIS message board?   you?? me?   more like the zappa family trust, methinks...<br>and now,  you're calling me an idiot...  i didn't call you names. <br>why must you be so childish?   <br><br>oh,  thats right.........<br><br>ree

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[quote author=Isaac link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=30#41 date=10/30/04 at 19:52:24]<br><br>If you're an idiot, like reednzl, please don't try to convince me of your concept of "free speech."<br><br>Censorship is censorship.[/quote]<br>Dude, your like 9 years old or someshit. You should really get yourself some friends and do some normal kid shit for once. Stop trying to act like an adult and stop concerning yourself with adult shit for the time being and enjoy life as a kid while you are a kid. Theres plenty of time for that later. Nearly every old person wants to be young again, so why waste your time trying to be old when your young?


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[quote author=Isaac link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=30#40 date=10/30/04 at 18:55:56]animation for adults.[/quote]<br>See, your even watching ADULT CARTOONS for cryin' out loud! Arent you ready to handle real porn yet? Didnt think so.


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[quote author=reednzl link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=30#42 date=10/30/04 at 20:19:23]...tell me, who owns THIS message board?   you?? me? ...[/quote]<br><br>and who can [& does] edit/censor posts on this forum[sub]  8)[/sub]<br><br><br>

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[quote author=isaac link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=45#46 date=10/30/04 at 21:43:45]...slime's
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<br>No one...[/quote]<br>guess again<br><br>[quote author=jp link=board=albums;num=1095462725;start=15#16 date=09/21/04 at 06:19:56]the liners have a pic of the actual tape.<br>the date really is:<br>3-1-70<br><br>Bad Johnny.  Don't be fucking with our copyrights.  At least ask and get a real answer.  And anyway, you missed the point.  -gz, ZFT <br><br>« 2nd last edit: oct 5th, 2004, 8:44pm by admin »[/quote]

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[quote author=Isaac link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=45#45 date=10/30/04 at 21:34:33]<br><br>I'm almost 15, dipshit.[/quote]<br>Coulda fooled me.<br><br>
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<br><br>That's one of your twisted, sick jokes, isnt it?  :-/  :-/  :-/<br><br>
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First of all, it is "animation." Not cartoons.
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Cartoons are designed with jokes in mind. I.E., you've got either your Looney Toons, your Fleischers, your Terrytoons, Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life -- those cartoons are for adults, or for kids, (it could go either way) and they are formatted to go from joke to joke.<br><br>Wheras in animation, you don't have to do a joke. An animated film doesn't have to be funny. Just look at American Pop -- that's not funny. But it's animated.<br><br>Cartoons are funny. Animation usually isn't.<br><br>Secondly, "Fritz the Cat," "Dirty Duck," etc... these are X-rated titles, yes (BTW: Charles Swenson directed "Dirty Duck," not Bakshi).<br>But they're not pornography in any shape or form.<br>These are animated films for adults only.<br>They entertain the brain, and they make you laugh, and they're more or less "popcorn movies."<br>They've got a lot of animated sexual content, but not enough for them to be considered pornography, or "cartoon pornography" in any way.<br><br>As for X-rated films with live-actors, I can handle "real pornography," as you have so unjustly put it, yes.<br>But I can't enjoy it.<br>No, that's another thing.<br><br>I don't enjoy porno movies.<br>I feel that in pornography films, they don't show enough of the female body.<br><br>These porno directors are all guys with tits on the mind.<br>You never see close-ups on a girl's vagina. The ass is barely shown.<br><br>It's essentially male behemoth movies.<br>Not all men are so tit-focused.<br>I like breasts just as much as any other man, but why spend an entire movie focused on the breasts. <br>Stick the camera between her legs.<br>Show her back. <br>Focus on her butt a little.<br>Don't waste every close-up in your porno movie on the tits.
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[quote author=Isaac link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=45#46 date=10/30/04 at 21:43:45]Is it childish to stand up for free speech rights?<br>No. It isn't.<br>It is childish to censor people.<br><br>It is childish to ban members of your message boards because they disagree with you.<br><br>Censorship is childish.[/quote]<br>YOURE childish...you know why? Because you are a child. Enjoy it while you can.<br>


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[quote author=Isaac link=board=rant;num=1096347348;start=45#50 date=10/30/04 at 22:37:07]<br><br>NO.<br><br>I AM NOT.<br>[/quote]<br>LOL. So I guess your in your mid-to-late-earlies?


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<br><br>Tell me in another 15 years. You will see yourself as a child when you were 15. It's called emotional maturity. And you don't get it until you live it.<br><br><br>And please provide samples, links, proof or anything else to back up your claim that Crumb negotiated with Bakshi and wanted his name pulled because of his huge ego. All you've said is "You're wrong". You have done nothing to substaniate your claim.

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So you are basing your entire argument on one person's account over another? Just because it is "likely" that one person's account is right doesn't mean absolute proof. So that doesn't make someone absolutely wrong.

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From http://www.michaelbarrier.com/Funnyworl ... itzOne.htm: <br>Sorting out what happened among Crumb, Bakshi and Krantz is not a simple matter, even though it seems likely that Bakshi and Krantz were on solid ground legally from the beginning.... <br><br>Bakshi remembers that—apart from his reservations about using Fritz at all—Crumb was enthusiastic about the drawings Bakshi had prepared to show Crumb what kind of movie he had in mind: "He did say, 'I'm not sure,'' and I did say, let me try some more. But he told me he loved the drawings. So I met him a couple of nights after, and he said he'd been wandering around New York because the drawings were so great he hated to disappoint me. I stressed how important it was for me to do this film—which was honest, it's been a labor of love ever since I started. ... The first visit he said, 'let me think about it,' then there was a firm yes somewhere along the line."

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