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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:12 am 
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Top 50 Most Revolutionary Artists: Full List, Readers Poll Results Revealed

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/F ... full-1210/

Frank Zappa is at #11

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:36 pm 
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I never really thought that Bob Dylan was the revolutionary. I think he is influential to a certain extent but come on number one? :x :P


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:19 pm 
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WHOyouJiVin? wrote:
I never really thought that Bob Dylan was the revolutionary. I think he is influential to a certain extent but come on number one? :x :P


Spoiler warning, geez.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:23 pm 
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Dam, :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:42 pm 
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Oh it's a gibson thing.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:14 pm 
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No Stravinsky or Charlie Parker?


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What a stupid list. I miss Russ Meyer.

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frank at 11? what a joke!!


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and zappa is number 8 on the readers poll!

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and zappa is number 8 on the readers poll!


What readers poll?? :?


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massagio wrote:
manichispanic wrote:
and zappa is number 8 on the readers poll!


What readers poll?? :?


it's below the top 50 poll

Gibson.com Readers Poll – Top 25 Most Revolutionary Artists

1. Bill Monroe
2. Les Paul
3. Jimmy Page
4. The Beatles
5. Jimi Hendrix
6. Iron Maiden
7. Bob Dylan
8. Frank Zappa
9. Chuck Berry
10. Angus Young
11. Led Zeppelin
12. John Lennon
13. The Allman Brothers Band
14. Jack White
15. Robert Johnson
16. Eric Clapton
17. Elvis Presley
18. Pete Townshend
19. U2
20. Eddie Van Halen
21. Miles Davis
22. Leonard Bernstein
23. Duane Allman
24. Kurt Cobain
25. Jon Lord

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:38 pm 
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Uhhh....

While the Beatles were working on Pepper Frank was recording stuff an a prototype 12 track machine!!
Don't forget that Pepper was partly INFLUENCED by Freak Out...

Frank successfully merged the avant garde with classical, rock, jazz and musique concrete (he did things with a razor blade
in editing that was mind boggling) before pretty much EVERYONE
except perhaps SUN RA (who didn't make the list!!????)
I think the Beatles were totally out of Frank's league, too!
WTF

And Miles Davis and Teo Macero revolutionized a form of music editing/composition with the albums Bitches Brew and A Silent Way.
(very similar methods that Brian Eno used later and Danny Lanois morphed into his own bullshit "black dub" studio methodology)
only long before!
Not to mention how influential Miles was while basically starting five different "jazz" forms!

Oh...and where is the good Captain?? Beefheart that is...TROUT MASK REPLICA is a masterpiece that the Beatles
couldn't even comprehend.

"poo poo ta dum dum"




So Miles should be up in the number two or three spot.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:13 am 
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jeddy wrote:
Uhhh....

While the Beatles were working on Pepper Frank was recording stuff an a prototype 12 track machine!!
Don't forget that Pepper was partly INFLUENCED by Freak Out...

Frank successfully merged the avant garde with classical, rock, jazz and musique concrete (he did things with a razor blade
in editing that was mind boggling) before pretty much EVERYONE
except perhaps SUN RA (who didn't make the list!!????)
I think the Beatles were totally out of Frank's league, too!
WTF

And Miles Davis and Teo Macero revolutionized a form of music editing/composition with the albums Bitches Brew and A Silent Way.
(very similar methods that Brian Eno used later and Danny Lanois morphed into his own bullshit "black dub" studio methodology)
only long before!
Not to mention how influential Miles was while basically starting five different "jazz" forms!

Oh...and where is the good Captain?? Beefheart that is...TROUT MASK REPLICA is a masterpiece that the Beatles
couldn't even comprehend.

"poo poo ta dum dum"




So Miles should be up in the number two or three spot.


I agree with the beatles statement, the most overrated band ever!! hate them! :evil:

But frank mixed jazz & rock three years before miles davis. did he not??


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Yay! People who agree with me on The Beatles!!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:32 am 
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Funny, I am not a Beatles maniac (don't have any cd for instance...), as you might know, although I grew listening to them, because of my brother. I don't look at them as overrated in any way, on the contrary, imho, talented and creative people, most of all John and George (only the good die young). For their impact on the masses I think they deserve credit. That said, people like Zappa (there are very very few) should be topping the list...

massagio, check this article on fusion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_fusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Williams

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Ya Tony Williams was there real early...

and Frank was really doing wacky shit before pretty much anyone..
I guess he kept shooting himself in the foot though...all the "poo poo" humour...
If he wanted to be a serious composer he kept undermining his own talent.
Not everybody "got" the DADA. I liked it but I'm not surprised that he isn't respected by more people.

If the ZFT wanted to promote Frank for what we know he was ( one of the greatest composers of the 20th century...period!)
then they should stop releasing all the rock material for a while It's great but let's see more of the orchestral side of him.
The side he yearned for...picking up Varese's torch.
"Dots on paper" was his first love right?
I know the whole "holistic, conceptual continuity" thing shows us "it's all the same" but we need more "serious" shit now.
A younger generation needs to get turned onto that too.

Where's the full Sinister Footware? Where's the proper release of The Yellow Shark on HI DEF? (with the Overture included!)
Where's more of this type of material? Maybe there isn't a lot of unreleased orchestral material because it
all exists as "scores".

(I know...this rant should be 'bumped')


In closing......
Miles's CIRCLE IN THE ROUND composition is a very early "groove fusion" 1967!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:25 pm 
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manichispanic wrote:
Gibson.com Readers Poll – Top 25 Most Revolutionary Artists
1. Bill Monroe
2. Les Paul
3. Jimmy Page
4. The Beatles
5. Jimi Hendrix
6. Iron Maiden
7. Bob Dylan
8. Frank Zappa
9. Chuck Berry
10. Angus Young
11. Led Zeppelin
12. John Lennon
13. The Allman Brothers Band
14. Jack White
15. Robert Johnson
16. Eric Clapton
17. Elvis Presley
18. Pete Townshend
19. U2
20. Eddie Van Halen
21. Miles Davis
22. Leonard Bernstein
23. Duane Allman
24. Kurt Cobain
25. Jon Lord


Notice how everyone else that is not a part of the English speaking world is a moron and an asshole and an idiot that can not play an instrument ... and will never get a chance or a listen because we are a bunch of ass-kissing bandits that love our heroes dearly.

If my name was Frank Zappa and I was alive I would request personally with a lawyer's letter, just for fun, to please remove ny name from that list ... and probably would never play another Gibson in my whole life! Or go on stage with a plastic guitar named Sibgon and made in Japan sign right on it.

A whole bunch of that Mojo article spends its time trashing this kind of garbage, folks ... I would at least respect his memory and dump it in the trash and not give it a second's worth of attention of care.

Serious Music!


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manichispanic wrote:
massagio wrote:
manichispanic wrote:
and zappa is number 8 on the readers poll!


What readers poll?? :?


it's below the top 50 poll

Gibson.com Readers Poll – Top 25 Most Revolutionary Artists

1. Bill Monroe
2. Les Paul
3. Jimmy Page
4. The Beatles
5. Jimi Hendrix
6. Iron Maiden
7. Bob Dylan
8. Frank Zappa
9. Chuck Berry
10. Angus Young
11. Led Zeppelin
12. John Lennon
13. The Allman Brothers Band
14. Jack White
15. Robert Johnson
16. Eric Clapton
17. Elvis Presley
18. Pete Townshend
19. U2
20. Eddie Van Halen
21. Miles Davis
22. Leonard Bernstein
23. Duane Allman
24. Kurt Cobain
25. Jon Lord


The biggest offence on this list has to be U2 and no Pink Floyd, wtf!!!

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Don't forget how Supersister and Ekseption were doing fusion right around the same time Miles and Frank were.

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Grahm Bond, Dick Heckstall Smith & Jon Hiseman were playing fusion in the early 60's

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Huck_Phlem wrote:
Don't forget how Supersister and Ekseption were doing fusion right around the same time Miles and Frank were.


I think this is incorrect ... Miles and Frank were doing all this stuff in the middle 60's .... and Supersister and Ekseption did not come around until quite a bit after that.

In the end, that list is full of shit and the folks that voted in it, wouldn't know art from music, from anything else.

While I would accept a Bob Dylan (changed the perception of what "folk music" was -- which up until then was a regionalized thing that no one knew!), a Jimi Hendrix, because he taught us that the Electric Guitar was more than just aninstrument, a Miles Davis because all of a sudden, jazz ... is that jazz?, or a Brian Eno who went on to help develop a lot of things in music that became known as "Ambient" ... it is hard to see a stupid list like that and no one ever heard of any other "revolutionary" artists in this century or the past one ... that list should have had Luis Bunuel, Salvador Dali, Igor Stravinsky, Pablo Picasso, T. S. Elliot and so many others that would make the majority of those rock bands a bunch of wannabeefamous kids! You remember the artists because they DID it ... not because they sold a few records ...

In the end, what changed in the landscape of the arts they were involved in, will be remembered ... so take a hint Gayle and Dweezil, that just releasing the rock guitar stuff for the fans, or yet another version of that bizarre fiasco called Roxy ... is not what Frank will be remembered for ... above all, he was the ultimate conductor and arranger ... and if the best you can do is show it by releasing all the stuff that is easier to recognize to the ear, in the end, you are doing the composer and the musician a bad thing ... that his legacy might never recover from -- because we are not seeing it!


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I don't give credit to these types of ranking lists. It makes no sense at all...


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