pedro2 wrote:
Punk , I feel for you , I really do , but those horror stories are everywhere. Union print shop I saw a guy's fingers mangled on a slitter / coalator and another one's arm almost ripped off WITH a regulation , union approved tee shirt , by a print roller.
I lost half my right thumb due to slipping into unit #6 of a CI print drum .. 12 feet in the air.
Reason I slipped ? The hydraulc unit was pissing oil at the rate of 5 gal an hour and maint. was too busy to fix it.
That shit happens all over , union or no union . Unions HAVE BROUGHT MANY BENEFITS TO THE WORKPLACE , but , at what cost ? To be able to control political decisions that affect us all ? To be able to outpace the majority of the population ecconomicaly ?
If , like 35 yrs ago , more people were employed by unions than the private sector , we might not see some of the disparity in our own country. But that's just part of the whole problem.
I have the feeling today that people will take what they can get .. shame this country took 500 steps back.

Thanx man. My fingers are fine. I was damn lucky. On the job accidents are far too common even with all the safeguards and protections in place. You raise great questions and your experience is rich.
I think you may be right that if say, 30-35 years ago there were more union people and other kinds of organizations like them but without their adverse effects, things may have gone a different direction. I look at history of that time as when somehow, big corporations took several steps forward in their reach, grasp and hold on several different aspects of culture. Not just in the market per se. It was reflected in art somewhat at the time I think (or can be shown) but a history of that 'takeover' hasn't been written. Much of it seems to involve energy acquisition and the arms race/ defense industry build-up. But I don't know.
You ask, 'At what cost?' have the unions grown. I don't even know where to start or think I know. But,
I tend to think that Freedom To and Freedom From is maintained differently for people and organizations.
Freedom To do stuff and Freedom From others doing stuff to you are very different but bound together in that special word. Organizations or companies can be more free to do stuff to others than individuals can. The difference nowadays is often just money. If I live as an individual in Pennsylvania or New York and I turn on my tap to get some water for tea and nothing but this awful smell comes out ... and then put a lighter near it and this jet of fire blows out ... not only is something very wrong, but someone, actually has taken their freedom to
mean more than mine. You've heard of this right? Energy companies, backed by Hjaliburton, went fracturing geologic strata in the N.E. to collapse and force out trapped reserves of gas. They also pumped a bunch of chemicals in the ground to aid in this process which of course went into the water table. As well as the gas. They just started this in the last decade. But what a horror! Tons of people sick and can't move, houses getting torched -- nightmare situation. People try to sue and nobody can get any justice somethin to do with tort reform and Dick Cheney's energy commission that no one has to talk about, by law. ACLU sued to get a list of people who were in those secret meetings. That's all they got, a list, and that took years.
But I don't want to get into a left-right thing.
My point is that these companies who did the frakking (that's what they call the geologic collapsing process) felt they had the Freedom To do this. They took precautions, they did some research, they talked to their buddies with heft and they told everybody just don't talk about it. We need energy. Don't wanna make the tree huggers cry, so we won't tell 'em.
Where does a companies Freedom To do something interfere with my Freedom From mass - geologic - actions that make people sick?
And if I get sick, or today - cuz we get another story every day - if pfizer's drugz gives my kids seizures,
WHY CAN'T I FIND JUSTICE? Why can't I be Free From invasive practices of organizations that hurt me and my countrymen?
Isn't the answer money, if government is no longer allowed to fix it or can't afford to?
Someone might say we can't legislate against greed or that people will just 'take what they can get'.
I think we can do better. I think we can come up with organizations that don't need to harm another's Freedom or health or bargaining rights or pensions or whatever in order to 'get ahead'. And we better be quick about it before our race to the almighty $ snuffs the whole race. Just sayin'