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It doesn't take a rocket scientist, a brain surgion, or a physicist to see the trend that since the decline of unions has happened in America, the economy has declined. Anybody that tries to tell you otherwise or actually believes the opposite is true, are either living in complete denial, completely ignorant to reality or are just flat out lying to you.


One more time.......

One of the primarily reasons why our current recession endures is that workers do not have the purchasing power they need to drive our economy. Even when times were relatively good, workers were getting squeezed. Income for the median working age household fell by about $2,000 between 2000 and 2007, and it could fall even further as the economy continues to decline. Consumer activity accounts for roughly 70 percent of our nation’s economy, and for a while workers were able to use debt to sustain their consumption. Yet debt-driven consumption is not sustainable, as we are plainly seeing.

What is sustainable is an economy where workers are adequately rewarded and have the income they need to purchase goods. This is where unions come in.

Unions paved the way to the middle class for millions of American workers and pioneered benefits such as paid health care and pensions along the way. Even today, union workers earn significantly more on average than their non-union counterparts, and union employers are more likely to provide benefits. And non-union workers—particularly in highly unionized industries—receive financial benefits from employers who increase wages to match what unions would win in order to avoid unionization.

Unfortunately, declining unionization rates mean that workers are less likely to receive good wages and be rewarded for their increases in productivity. The Employee Free Choice Act, which is likely to be one of the most important issues debated by the 111th Congress, holds the promise of boosting unionization rates and improving millions of Americans’ economic standing and workplace conditions.



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There are interesting interactive maps on the links below that disprove the BS that the anti-union crowd are are trying to force feed everybody. Check them out if you want to see what reality is. Those in selective denial will never accept the truth because it goes against their deeply rooted misbeliefs and misconceptions.......


This one is titled "When Income Grows, Who Gains?"
Use the sliders on the timeline to select a timespan, and see how growth in average income was shared between the richest 10% and the other 90% of Americans. All figures are in 2008 dollars.
http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/pa ... 7&end=1918

This second one is titled "Unions Help Keep Wages and Benefits Fair"
Click on a state, or on "all states," to see information about unionization there.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/i ... rkers.html


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:17 am 
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SPACEBROTHER wrote:
BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
WOW im dizzy, lets see dollar for dollar, not.


It doesn't take a rocket scientist, a brain surgion, or a physicist to see the trend that since the decline of unions has happened in America, the economy has declined. Anybody that tries to tell you otherwise or actually believes the opposite is true, are either living in complete denial, completely ignorant to reality or are just flat out lying to you.


One more time.......

One of the primarily reasons why our current recession endures is that workers do not have the purchasing power they need to drive our economy. Even when times were relatively good, workers were getting squeezed. Income for the median working age household fell by about $2,000 between 2000 and 2007, and it could fall even further as the economy continues to decline. Consumer activity accounts for roughly 70 percent of our nation’s economy, and for a while workers were able to use debt to sustain their consumption. Yet debt-driven consumption is not sustainable, as we are plainly seeing.

What is sustainable is an economy where workers are adequately rewarded and have the income they need to purchase goods. This is where unions come in.

Unions paved the way to the middle class for millions of American workers and pioneered benefits such as paid health care and pensions along the way. Even today, union workers earn significantly more on average than their non-union counterparts, and union employers are more likely to provide benefits. And non-union workers—particularly in highly unionized industries—receive financial benefits from employers who increase wages to match what unions would win in order to avoid unionization.

Unfortunately, declining unionization rates mean that workers are less likely to receive good wages and be rewarded for their increases in productivity. The Employee Free Choice Act, which is likely to be one of the most important issues debated by the 111th Congress, holds the promise of boosting unionization rates and improving millions of Americans’ economic standing and workplace conditions.



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There are interesting interactive maps on the links below that disprove the BS that the anti-union crowd are are trying to force feed everybody. Check them out if you want to see what reality is. Those in selective denial will never accept the truth because it goes against their deeply rooted misbeliefs and misconceptions.......


This one is titled "When Income Grows, Who Gains?"
Use the sliders on the timeline to select a timespan, and see how growth in average income was shared between the richest 10% and the other 90% of Americans. All figures are in 2008 dollars.
http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/pa ... 7&end=1918

This second one is titled "Unions Help Keep Wages and Benefits Fair"
Click on a state, or on "all states," to see information about unionization there.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/i ... rkers.html



Purchasing power? The power to purchase what you need vs. the power to purchase what you want.

The operative word here is "greed". And the best visual example I can give is this:

You NEED a car. You WANT a Hummer. You never needed a Hummer. You bought one because Arnold told ya to.

You NEED a roof over your head but you WANT a house in 3 different states.

You NEED food, but you WANT to eat that food in a resturaunt that charges you 5 times the price it would to cook the food yourself at home.

I think people need to rethink the difference between "necessities and wants".

Think Bongo Fury. "Some body is going to try to sell you something you shouldn't ought to buy".

It is a VERY dangerous situation when unions are faced with "union busting governors" and I don't think its a good thing, but guess what? Unions had it coming. You reap what you sow.


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Public sector unions is the focus, why do you think the feds do not have them!!!

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hey USBS! What part of 100% don't you understand?

Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.

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'If fighting for freedom in Iraq and Afghanistan is worth it, then fighting for workers in Wisconsin is definitely worth it'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd_btrB_GGw&
following article by David Dayen and pub. here
"MADISON, WI (FDL) – Sen. Glenn Grothman (R) appeared this morning on MSNBC, and was asked about the protests in the Capitol. He dismissed them. “Most of them are college students who are always up for a demonstration,” he sniffed. It’s a common refrain from supporters of Walker, marginalizing their opponents by calling them hippie college students.

First of all, 100,000 Wisconsinites are expected in Madison today. I don’t think that many students matriculate at UW. Second, and Grotham wouldn’t know this because he and his Republican colleagues wouldn’t set foot in the common areas of the Rotunda, but there are families sleeping over. There are cops. There are firefighters. There are teachers. There are public union and private union and non-union workers. There are single moms and sheet metal workers and janitors and truck drivers and office workers. And there are students. Last I checked they all have a vote and a voice in our democracy.

But maybe the best example disarming this dirty hippie meme is Sgt. First Class Chet Millard, who I spoke with a couple days ago. Millard served in Iraq in 2003-04 and in Afghanistan in 2009, as a platoon sergeant from the Wisconsin National Guard. While on tour in Afghanistan on a mission disarming roadside bombs, his vehicle was hit. He suffered multiple injuries, including traumatic brain injury, and was taken on a Medi-vac to the hospital. A Time Magazine photojournalist snapped his picture, and it appeared on the magazine’s cover.

Millard eventually was nursed back to health, and he returned to his job as a corrections officer at the Jackson Correctional Institution in Black River Falls, WI, north of Madison. And he came to Madison to decry the Governor Scott Walker’s plan to strip collective bargaining rights for public employees. “I believe it’s an attack on the freedoms we have as the people of Wisconsin,” Millard told me in an interview.

Corrections will be particularly hit hard by the budget repair bill, and future budgets under Gov. Walker. Millard said there’s talk about removing the protected status for corrections, which would reduce the multiple in retirement from 2% to 1.6%. “Many of our correctional officers are vets going back to the Vietnam War,” Millard said. “These guys are going to have to work until they’re 75.”

Millard believes that the budget will be particularly cruel to veterans. Hospitals and county veteran offices could feel the pain of budget cuts, when the county gets reduced funds and pass on their reductions. And that says nothing of the policy changes, such as the stripping of collective bargaining, “which effects the rights of people around here that have been there for 60, 70 years,” Millard explained. “Collective bargaining is our right to be heard in the workplace. Walker wants to make autonomous decisions without checks and balances. I don’t think enough people have truly read the bill and know what it does.” Millard stressed that the right to negotiate was crucial for good work and living conditions in the prisons, which goes directly to the main causes of riots – bad food, bad medical care, etc. “If everyone was a great employer we wouldn’t need unions,” Millard said. “The employer’s bottom line is money. Unions provide the way for workers to negotiate. You can’t throw away 70 years of history.”

He expanded on this in comments at an event put on by AFSCME:

You know I listened to that prank phone call and the part that really got under my skin — hearing the Governor talk about having dinner in his mansion. Comparing himself to Reagan. He said layoffs brought down the Berlin Wall. He is completely delusional!

The only wall he needs to worry about is the one HE built between himself and working families!

Mr. Walker – its time to tear down that wall!

Millard also feared that the provision in the budget repair bill which allowed for the selling of state-owned heating and cooling plants could set a precedent for more privatization, including in the prisons. This has been attempted in Wisconsin before, with the Stanley Correctional Facility, and the results were pretty dismal. The state ended up buying Stanley in 2002 for $87 million, after a host of problems, including violations of electrical, plumbing and safety codes.

At the outset of this situation, Gov. Walker intimated that he would bring in the National Guard to take over the prisons in the event of a walkout. There has been no talk of a walkout in Millard’s area of Black River Falls, he said, and in addition, he dismissed the concern, because the National Guard is trained to come in and take over as a contingency. They do an on-site walk-through every year. This suggests that Walker’s reference to them was more about intimidation than an actual threat, because he was merely expressing standard practice.

Millard agreed with the Senate Democrats’ effort to walk out of the state and stall the bill by denying a quorum. “Walker came in like a juggernaut,” Millard said. “A bill like this cannot be done in 30 days. People need to go past the first 10 pages and know about what’s in it.”

Needless to say, it’s hard to place a label like Sen. Grotham did today on someone who served America overseas and then found that the freedoms he ended up being wounded defending would be taken away from him. As Millard says in this video, “If freedom is worth dying for overseas, then it’s definitely worth rallying and fighting for here in Wisconsin.” "

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hey USBS! What part of 100% don't you understand?

Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.



Ok do the math if the pay 80 bucks a year for pension, which is what they pay,( and it is guaranteed), then who picks up the difference when they retire? Cause guess what you dumbass they retire at 80% of their last wage. More importantly where does all the union dues go? that's correct follow the money, lets just keep buying our politicians, try listening to what John Stossel reports.

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bugler wrote:
SPACEBROTHER wrote:
BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
WOW im dizzy, lets see dollar for dollar, not.


It doesn't take a rocket scientist, a brain surgion, or a physicist to see the trend that since the decline of unions has happened in America, the economy has declined. Anybody that tries to tell you otherwise or actually believes the opposite is true, are either living in complete denial, completely ignorant to reality or are just flat out lying to you.


One more time.......

One of the primarily reasons why our current recession endures is that workers do not have the purchasing power they need to drive our economy. Even when times were relatively good, workers were getting squeezed. Income for the median working age household fell by about $2,000 between 2000 and 2007, and it could fall even further as the economy continues to decline. Consumer activity accounts for roughly 70 percent of our nation’s economy, and for a while workers were able to use debt to sustain their consumption. Yet debt-driven consumption is not sustainable, as we are plainly seeing.

What is sustainable is an economy where workers are adequately rewarded and have the income they need to purchase goods. This is where unions come in.

Unions paved the way to the middle class for millions of American workers and pioneered benefits such as paid health care and pensions along the way. Even today, union workers earn significantly more on average than their non-union counterparts, and union employers are more likely to provide benefits. And non-union workers—particularly in highly unionized industries—receive financial benefits from employers who increase wages to match what unions would win in order to avoid unionization.

Unfortunately, declining unionization rates mean that workers are less likely to receive good wages and be rewarded for their increases in productivity. The Employee Free Choice Act, which is likely to be one of the most important issues debated by the 111th Congress, holds the promise of boosting unionization rates and improving millions of Americans’ economic standing and workplace conditions.



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There are interesting interactive maps on the links below that disprove the BS that the anti-union crowd are are trying to force feed everybody. Check them out if you want to see what reality is. Those in selective denial will never accept the truth because it goes against their deeply rooted misbeliefs and misconceptions.......


This one is titled "When Income Grows, Who Gains?"
Use the sliders on the timeline to select a timespan, and see how growth in average income was shared between the richest 10% and the other 90% of Americans. All figures are in 2008 dollars.
http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/pa ... 7&end=1918

This second one is titled "Unions Help Keep Wages and Benefits Fair"
Click on a state, or on "all states," to see information about unionization there.
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/i ... rkers.html



Purchasing power? The power to purchase what you need vs. the power to purchase what you want.

The operative word here is "greed". And the best visual example I can give is this:

You NEED a car. You WANT a Hummer. You never needed a Hummer. You bought one because Arnold told ya to.

You NEED a roof over your head but you WANT a house in 3 different states.

You NEED food, but you WANT to eat that food in a resturaunt that charges you 5 times the price it would to cook the food yourself at home.

I think people need to rethink the difference between "necessities and wants".

Think Bongo Fury. "Some body is going to try to sell you something you shouldn't ought to buy".

It is a VERY dangerous situation when unions are faced with "union busting governors" and I don't think its a good thing, but guess what? Unions had it coming. You reap what you sow.


Thing is, people can't even afford what they NEED anymore. Forclosures and bankruptcies are at record levels, not because most of these people bought Hummers and McMansions, but because as the cost go up, the wages go down, and/or the jobs disappear.

The shrinking of unions is directly reciprical to the shrinking of wages, pensions, benefits and loss of jobs.


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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
punknaynowned wrote:
hey USBS! What part of 100% don't you understand?

Out of every dollar that funds Wisconsin' s pension and health insurance plans for state workers, 100 cents comes from the state workers.



Ok do the math if the pay 80 bucks a year for pension, which is what they pay,( and it is guaranteed), then who picks up the difference when they retire? Cause guess what you dumbass they retire at 80% of their last wage. More importantly where does all the union dues go? that's correct follow the money, lets just keep buying our politicians, try listening to what John Stossel reports.


John Stossel is a FOXNEWS puppet. He sucks up to a foreign corporate owner. Even the weather people from FOXNEWS are bought and paid for. Very little of what any of them report is actual news. Most of it is sucking the balls of the banks, corporations and Wallstreet.

Interesting thing is that the same politicians trying to kill unions, which will ultimately kill wages, pensions and benefits for everybody else (those in the private and public sectors), they all will still get to keep their taxpayer funded wages, benefits and pensions.


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If you have talent and ability, you don't need a union to back you up. If you are a jerkoff, then you do.

Ipso facto the union movement was born from the need to protect jerkoffs? If you remove unions entirely are you saying that the capitalist ruling class has matured sufficiently to do the right thing by their employees simply because they work hard enough? And, are capitalists somehow free from corruptibility and only mere workers capable of such?

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If you have talent and ability, you don't need a union to back you up. If you are a jerkoff, then you do.

Ipso facto the union movement was born from the need to protect jerkoffs? If you remove unions entirely are you saying that the capitalist ruling class has matured sufficiently to do the right thing by their employees simply because they work hard enough? And, are capitalists somehow free from corruptibility and only mere workers capable of such?



No no. The unions were formed to protect workers from being taken advantage of by their bosses (ie slave labor).
But they morphed into a jerkoff protection racket. How does a garbage collector in New York City make $144,000
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=253645 ? By being in a Italian mafia controlled union.

I was a business owner. I never thought of myself as a capitalist. In fact, I hate capitalism to its extreme to answer you last question. But I sure don't want a shop full of union workers telling me that they deserve to get $144,000 a year to pick up garbage when all I make after the years taxes, salaries, expenses, workmans comp, etc. is $50,000. The employee should NEVER make more $$$ than the boss. Not even 1/2 of what the boss makes.

The fact of the matter is that the tides have reversed. Unions have sucked the lifeblood out of companies. And as a result, companies leave the USA and go to Mexico where labor is cheap. not only that, the products we were making with union labor declined greatly in quality.


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People forget or never learned what is was like in the darkest ages only 15o years ago, children working their health away 14 hours mining for coal. Do not believe we have it better now, we only swapped many incredible things with even more unbelievable dunce. And again, the proportions are so unfathomable, folks cannot quite comprehend, even if they would try. So they shut close and watch t.errifying-v.ice. Some more, Bravo is not happy, why is that so, friend? ..do not ask me. ...before this morning has properly taken off. Humans are the most weirdest miss-spellers there is. --God, eh qed, lil :smurf:

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bugler wrote:
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If you have talent and ability, you don't need a union to back you up. If you are a jerkoff, then you do.

Ipso facto the union movement was born from the need to protect jerkoffs? If you remove unions entirely are you saying that the capitalist ruling class has matured sufficiently to do the right thing by their employees simply because they work hard enough? And, are capitalists somehow free from corruptibility and only mere workers capable of such?



No no. The unions were formed to protect workers from being taken advantage of by their bosses (ie slave labor).
But they morphed into a jerkoff protection racket. How does a garbage collector in New York City make $144,000
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=253645 ? By being in a Italian mafia controlled union.

I was a business owner. I never thought of myself as a capitalist. In fact, I hate capitalism to its extreme to answer you last question. But I sure don't want a shop full of union workers telling me that they deserve to get $144,000 a year to pick up garbage when all I make after the years taxes, salaries, expenses, workmans comp, etc. is $50,000. The employee should NEVER make more $$$ than the boss. Not even 1/2 of what the boss makes.

The fact of the matter is that the tides have reversed. Unions have sucked the lifeblood out of companies. And as a result, companies leave the USA and go to Mexico where labor is cheap. not only that, the products we were making with union labor declined greatly in quality.


If what you are saying were true, then the decline of unions over the past three decades in America would have resulted in jobs gains instead of losses.

Busting up unions will accomplish several things....
1) more American jobs will be exported
2) wages will be cut acrossed the board for everybody
3) benefits will be cut acrossed the board for everybody
4) pensions will be cut acrossed the board for everybody
5) the American economy will completely collapse
6) out of the 10 top campaign donors, 7 of 10 go to Republicans, the other three will mean the Democrats will be cut off from funds.

Number 6 is the main reason for the assault on unions from the Right. The corporations who support the Republican party have invested hundreds of billions of dollars on negative advertisement towards unions through every means of propaganda to give them ultimate power over the masses. This is exactly where the complete collapse of America is happening. Foreign corporations will dictate every single aspect of American lives. All because people were duped into fighting against the unions that protect American jobs from fascist dictatorships.

If unions fall, start brushing up on your Chinese language skills. Mass produced Planned Obsolescence will become the norm.


On the plus side, what is happening in Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana and all of the national support of solidarity for the unions is the motivation the Democrats have needed to show up to vote en masse for the next few election cycles.


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In a nutshell, if you live in America and are closing on 60 years old, and suddenly find yourself losing your pension all of a sudden, thank a Republican for ripping you off because some stupid fucks thought killing unions was a splendid idea.

My advice for the anti union Tea Party crowd is, get with the f@#*ing program, you stupid f*#^ers because you are a worse detriment to America right now than Bin Ladin and every Muslim extremist combined. Get a clue. Wake up. Put down the Gawddamn bong and Jagermeister and buy American. We've been telling you this shit for nearly a half of a fucking centery you stupid fucks.

I'm done venting for a minute.


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thats more me like it. Fan of you:)

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thats more me like it. Fan of you:)


As I said...Put down the gawddamn bong and Jagermeister you stupid fucks. You are obviously toast. Don't crash your car into me buddy.


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with a bit of butter and them Brits call that Skinheads on a raft. Have I mentioned beans? cheers ...the coffee is really givin me the hover-dose. Thinking is driving them mad. Ey, I have been able to rummage up a time-machine: dreaming of primeval aeons. Advice though not to play ensign without the discworld manuals. I mean, we's all harkers and spockish if you came up with summing beta dan disc-weashings. All skydance internal, guiding sequence started, all system are go, went, gong. The flying teapot has just been cracking up. Time for a lift-off-lunch, lol: picnic with invalid roachrats. A troll would be noyce now.

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In a nutshell, ..... worse detriment to America right now than Bin Ladin and every Muslim extremist combined. ...
I'm done venting for a minute.


doing this 864ooX, per second, hyperlightning, eight days are weak. Plus that above-saying is mirroring circa the only thing left what one can say about them. Easy guess that outside from the Dutch i reckon all are triggering nothing but pain; with everything they begin from what has remained. Themselves do they feel not a bomb, how could it be otherwise.


Steve Wilson is maybe the only other one who knows what it really is like (scarcely) Listen to Progscape Radio's latest podcast, with a Porcupine Tree song and all of Kevin Gilbert's "The Shaming of the True". Gandalf took the boat, right?! the rest may enjoying destroying ex-Wonderland so hard as they want to, no god can reach them anymore.

http://www.deliciousagony.com/phpBB2/vi ... php?t=4236

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write any orc'sche comments here... would love some nice words


what can one do with the humins yet?

Once fairies played so much fun, spelled so much magic around, semi-gods went into the desert (and then enlarged it, LOL) and charmed all who were around them, so in effect each other. Now we could harness the science. fiction and magic powers. Be careful, you might get bandit (their only help, eh idea - ya, i know, we are trying to get the best out of you. They know nothing. Problems for starting action are there more than enough. Experiment with commenting on others for a chance)


...they ain't even interested

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Wis. governor: Ax $900 million from education
Amid protests over union rights, Republican argues that public worker concessions are essential

MADISON, Wis. — After focusing for weeks on his proposal to strip public employees of collective bargaining rights, Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday presented his full budget proposal — a plan that cuts $1.5 billion in aid to public schools and government but avoids any tax or fee increases, furloughs or widespread layoffs.

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is a fascist

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Fire him and the entire Republican party. Bunch of Nazis.


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SPACEBROTHER wrote:
Wis. governor: Ax $900 million from education
Amid protests over union rights, Republican argues that public worker concessions are essential

MADISON, Wis. — After focusing for weeks on his proposal to strip public employees of collective bargaining rights, Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday presented his full budget proposal — a plan that cuts $1.5 billion in aid to public schools and government but avoids any tax or fee increases, furloughs or widespread layoffs.

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is a fascist

Solution.....

Fire him and the entire Republican party. Bunch of Nazis.



Great idea !

That way we can keep on spending more and more money on schools and teachers that are actually dumbing down the American student.
You don't mind paying more taxes , do ya ? :roll:

We can also give teachers a raise and let their union get more and more powerful , until only they control what happens in Washington.

Not to mention a one party republic. :?

Great idea ya got there Spacer :wink:


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pedro2 wrote:
That way we can keep on spending more and more money on schools and teachers that are actually dumbing down the American student.


The logical corollary of this argument would therefore appear to be "don't send your kids to school at all, it will make them more stupid." This does not appear to be very logical, even if you adopt the "learn everything in the library" argument, as I'm willing to bet (without researching it) that public libraries will also be a part of the above cuts.
Here's a capitalist argument for higher pay for teachers; in every sector of business and trade, if we want something good we have to pay for it. If we want something inferior, then we pay less. If you want to improve education and are afraid of your kids being dumbed down, then you have to invest more (that means better training for teachers, better equipped schools and higher pay) , not less.

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