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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 10:42 pm 
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Not being an American (nor English) sometimes it's hart for me to get the exact meaning of tunes, wors here and there in the oueuvre.

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- Little Green Scratchy Sweaters & Courduroy Ponce;

Is "ponce" a kind of a "pimp" here (as dictionaries suggest), or some clothes maybe (as it may sound from the text: "Brown courduroy ponce". Can it be the twisted form of "pants", maybe? Or?...

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:38 am 
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They say Ponce is like pimp because of the clothes worn,where though it ain't true a ponce can be nothing too do with pimp and mostly ain't.corduroy and Ponce mostly because a lot of Teacher type wear them the sort that pussy foot around.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:22 am 
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Thanks!

So anyway, you say it's always a person, and not a piece of clothing or anything like that. To me it was strange at first, because the "surroundig" parts in the text are about clothing... But anyhow.. the lyrics itself does not have any real meaning.. ;-)

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:37 am 
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ponce [n] :
  1. limp-wrist
  2. dandy
  3. poofter
  4. poser

poncey; poncy [adj]:
  1. faggy

poncing [v]:
  1. to ponce

ex: stop poncing around with that rubber doll



also:
  1. poncification
  2. poncificate
  3. ponceologist
  4. poncequences
  5. ponciousness
  6. ponceptual poncinuity

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:35 am 
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Thanks, slime - I saw those in the dictionary, too, but my main question is what it means in this special sentence?... I'm about to translate it, so I'm curious what a native English-speaker thinks when hears-sees it. :-)


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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:51 am 
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Ponce - Sweating Hungarian Translator :wink:

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He may be leening towards that gay appearance definition of ponce if you take the sentance in context... :smoke:


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Yes, it could well be. But also, to me it suggests the *special* upper-class pronunciation of pants, which I would spell pawnts.

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Ponce was common here, as in:

slime.oofytv.set wrote:
[color=#000000]ponce [n] :
  1. limp-wrist
  2. dandy
  3. poofter
  4. poser

poncey; poncy [adj]:
  1. faggy

poncing [v]:
  1. to ponce


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balint wrote:
Thanks!

So anyway, you say it's always a person, and not a piece of clothing or anything like that. To me it was strange at first, because the "surroundig" parts in the text are about clothing... But anyhow.. the lyrics itself does not have any real meaning.. ;-)

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yes unless Ponce"y" can be a design of clothing or anything which ain't male like a mine worker call people in offices the above.

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Yes, it could well be. But also, to me it suggests the *special* upper-class pronunciation of pants, which I would spell pawnts.

Yes, I've thought of that too...

Anyway, some o the lyrics on 200 Motels are really funny and un-understandable - reminds me of It Just Might Be a One Shot Deal: some funny stupidity, complete dadaism.

Anyone? Or do you think it might have some idea behind Nun Suit..., or Dew on the Newts We Got, etc? I would be curoius!


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balint wrote:
sabrinaIII wrote:
Yes, it could well be. But also, to me it suggests the *special* upper-class pronunciation of pants, which I would spell pawnts.

Yes, I've thought of that too...

Anyway, some o the lyrics on 200 Motels are really funny and un-understandable - reminds me of It Just Might Be a One Shot Deal: some funny stupidity, complete dadaism.

Anyone? Or do you think it might have some idea behind Nun Suit..., or Dew on the Newts We Got, etc? I would be curoius!


Watch the film. Helps. Somewhat.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 7:32 am 
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BBP wrote:
Watch the film. Helps. Somewhat.


I did. :-) Err... To me no meaning at all. :-) I see the newts, the nun, etc - but it doesn't "help" to get closer to understand it, or to see an overall concept. Or does it to you? To me its total dadaism - and it still is funny.

So: do you have some ideas?


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The newts represent evolution, ending in the development of Homo Sapiens. The dew is a symbol of evolutionary development of amphibians to human beings. In contrast, the nuns symbolize the creationist view, which culminate in the depiction of a nun in the form of Keith Moon, which plainly leads us back to the newts, (pissed (= drunk in English slang) as a newt -as Moon often was).... or not. :| - I should listen to less DEVO.

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The newts represent evolution, ending in the development of Homo Sapiens. The dew is a symbol of evolutionary development of amphibians to human beings. In contrast, the nuns symbolize the creationist view, which culminate in the depiction of a nun in the form of Keith Moon, which plainly leads us back to the newts, (pissed (= drunk in English slang) as a newt -as Moon often was).... or not. :| - I should listen to less DEVO.



Are we not men or should I say I got a gut feelin, about this, but it's hard to say in a wigglely world... :smoke:


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:47 am 
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Isn't it pants? Green scratchy sweaters and corduroy pants for the Catholic school children.

Pants with a posh accent.

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espanglish wrote:
Isn't it pants? Green scratchy sweaters and corduroy pants for the Catholic school children.

Pants with a posh accent.



I considered that I wore those blue cords for 8 years, but he uses a specific word, of course unless he was unaware of the use in slang and or did not give a shit and was making up a word like he was tend to do.... :smoke:


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:29 pm 
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espanglish wrote:
Isn't it pants? Green scratchy sweaters and corduroy pants for the Catholic school children.

Pants with a posh accent.


Bingo! That's really close to what I think to be the possible "meaning", that has sense - so in my translation I changed the words to "pants". Thanks! :-)


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Well, after all this, a next question comes to mind: what might the "newts" mean, why are they here? And why "broth", why "tinselcock"? How much of it is sex, how much is dadaism?

What do you think?


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balint wrote:
Well, after all this, a next question comes to mind: what might the "newts" mean, why are they here? And why "broth", why "tinselcock"? How much of it is sex, how much is dadaism?

What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0WisMbLfHQ
Frank Zappa comments on The Girl Wants to Fix Him Some Broth

He says its a load of cock and balls :D

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cleon wrote:
Frank Zappa comments on The Girl Wants to Fix Him Some Broth


well, thanks, but he's not "commenting", but only reciting it... Is there a place where FZ commented it in any way?


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No it aint 8)

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My new question: Wild Love.
(I'm about to translate it for myself, so I'd be happy to get any king of help from native-speakers, or from anyone. :-) My goal is to undestand it as fully as possible (o course I do it to a limit), so I'll be happy to hear any tiny detail, any strange idea, association, anything that is connected to the song. My most problematic words are in bold, but still I'm interested in your whole idea of the tune.

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Many well-dressed people
In several locations
Are kissing quite a bit
(Yea-ah!)
Later in the evening
Leaves will fall
Tears will flow
Wind will blow
Some rain; some snow
A fireplace maybe
A kiss or two
And down they'll go
But that's the way it goes sometimes
You just might find yerself in the clutches of some
Wild Love

Mama stroked his dinger
Daddy got a stinky finger
In those days of long ago
(Yeah-ah!)
Later in the evening
She'd complain
They'd refrain
He'd go home 'n hone his bone
A tragic case maybe
But also true
I'm sure you know
But that's the way it goes sometimes
(That's the way)
You just might find yourself in the clutches of some
Wild Love

Now'days you get dressed up
'N later you get messed up
But still you're pretty hip
(Yeah-ah!)
Later in the evening
You'll explain
She'll remain
You're real modern
She's the same
A frantic pace maybe
But who's to say
Where it will go


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He'd go home 'n hone his bone means he's jerking off

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dinger = penis

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