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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:45 pm 
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In retrospect it's not surprising that Reed viciously trashed FZ in the '60s. In an '87 interview (youtube link) he claimed that The Doors were 'painfully stupid and pretentious' and that 'I never liked the Beatles...I thought they were garbage'.

Fair enough, in that FZ also didn't have much use for his contemporaries, but Reed loses all credibility when he says that no one else in the rock 'n' roll business 'came up to our (VU) ankles'. The VU were a great group but they weren't all that Reed, Cale and many in the media later made them out to be.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:48 pm 
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Read that earlier today. You know what they say about opinions...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:12 am 
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They are like Christgaus?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:59 am 
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I like opinions and Lou Reed, not Christgaus though. He's a tastemaker.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:10 am 
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or a tastemonger

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:35 am 
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Well, you know what they say about people who live in glass houses: don't invite Lou Reed over, because he'll find a way to burn the place down...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:00 am 
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Lou Reed loved Frank Zappa. Just listen to his speech at the r&r hall of fame. (yes, I know the hall of fame is a load of bullshit but it doesn't change the sincerity of Reed's words).
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but Reed loses all credibility when he says that no one else in the rock 'n' roll business 'came up to our (VU) ankles'.

History has proved that to be at least somewhat true. I don't see why he should lose any credibility. Is there any more influential band? Not many.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:10 am 
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It doesn't matter either way. You can listen to and like both, or hate both, or like one and not the other. Why does a choice have to be made?

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downer mydnyte wrote:
Is there any more influential band?

I tried listening to them a few times.
They influenced me to move on to other bands and try to forget/erase/reprogram.

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downer mydnyte probably favours the punk sensibilities more than most anyone else on this forum. But I do like the Velvet Underground alright. Brian Eno was probably right that few people heard the first VU LP back in the day, but virtually everyone that did started their own bands. Kraftwerk would probably be more influential than VU though.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:29 pm 
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I enjoy "punk sensibilities".
In fact, I almost bumped/contributed to this thread about half an hour ago:

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calvin2hikers wrote:
It doesn't matter either way. You can listen to and like both, or hate both, or like one and not the other. Why does a choice have to be made?


Yep.

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A choice doesn't HAVE TO be made.
It is an unavoidable & natural reaction.


Hey man, what bands do you listen to/like?
I don't know.
Well... ok... what bands do you hate?
I don't know.

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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:01 pm 
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I don't like Lou Reed's music.

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sleeping in a jar wrote:
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.


I choose a ready guide in some celestial voice. So probably Merrill Osmond.

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 Post subject: Re: lou reed was great
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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
I don't like Lou Reed's music.

anyone who says that they don't like lou reed's music should listen to this album:

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you may not like it, and that's ok. but listen to it. at least once.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:14 pm 
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^ I don't know, Lumpy.
I'd point to this....
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I don't doubt that Lou Reed had delusions of grandeur. John Cale forgives him, I think?, so I guess his unlikeable side is not a total deal breaker.


And Ed, I know what you mean about punk but at this point the idea of punk is embarrassing. I think my spirit is not so much punk at this point but more about sincerity, talent, humility, originality and not too fucking greedy. :wink: Musically, Kraftwork does make more sense as we drift into the 21st century. With Pro Tools cut and paste recording etc.


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 Post subject: Re: lou reed was great
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link: the wild side: lou reed vs frank zappa

a good read.

kevin courrier is a freelance writer/broadcaster, film critic and author.
("dangerous kitchen: the subversive world of zappa" and more.)

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sleeping in a jar wrote:
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Yes, but that particular choice is a strangling one. And self induced.
The type of choice someone who is not in touch with his or her thoughts/feelings would opt for.

That is another one of my pet peeves.
People who have convinced themselves that they can not "put it into words".

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I never liked Velvet Underground...I thought they were garbage.

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See that, guys?
Point(s) proven.

Mine and polydigm's.

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polydigm wrote:
I never liked Velvet Underground...I thought they were garbage.

Garbage is when you read everything you play from a sheet of paper.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
polydigm wrote:
I never liked Velvet Underground...I thought they were garbage.

Garbage is when you read everything you play from a sheet of paper.
What are you talking about?

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polydigm wrote:
downer mydnyte wrote:
polydigm wrote:
I never liked Velvet Underground...I thought they were garbage.

Garbage is when you read everything you play from a sheet of paper.
What are you talking about?

I think he means he never passed a single test in his life :P
Things that are played that can't be put on paper are Garbage he can't get though his Thickhead :wink:

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