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 Post subject: Billy the Mountain
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:07 am 
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I mean, what the f*ck was all that about - seriously!?!?!

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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No idea. Was always one of the very few FZ items I never understood, or had interest in.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:08 am 
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It's just a comedy number, right? I really like it anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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calvin2hikers wrote:
It's just a comedy number, right? I really like it anyway.


I suppose you are right Cal. It's just quite bizarre how he pieced this little snippets together and how they made little songs, inside of the entire tune, out of words like "Beef pies, he was born next to the beef pies...."
What came first in that case, the tune or the words? What fitted around what?

Anyway, I know that the answer isn't out there I suppose but what the hell. A mountain is something you don't wanna f.......

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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I don't really know. Maybe it's just a pastiche of ideas he had.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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I'm sure someone else will provide better detail...

I've always seen BTM as one of the several pieces that are FZ images that relate to personal or band inside-jokes that were either explained due to FZ history, FZ interviews or sometimes not at all. Conceptual Continuity lives here. As with many of FZ's large-format pieces it is comprised of smaller bits and segued together, with the storyline perhaps being unclear, but for the hardcore fans provides new insights year after year. I saw it performed as a play on stage in Chicago several years ago and it was great!

Here's the Zappa Wiki Jawaka for it:
http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/Billy_The_Mountain

Some day that page will be filled with highlighted links rather than the few they have now!

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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Bruce Bickford, and his animations, had a hand in it, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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Thanks chaps

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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I think it's just another example of Frank's wonderfully silly sense of humor. Maybe with a little politics mixed in with the draft and everything.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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thenoisydrum wrote:

It's just quite bizarre how he pieced this little snippets together and how they made little songs, inside of the entire tune, out of words like "Beef pies, he was born next to the beef pies...."


funny you mention this. one of the first albums i bought. the first time i heard it, the parody of the song "suite: judy blue eyes", was the first time i realized that i truly loved frank and his music.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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Check out Baby Snakes....the movie, as Doug mentioned Bruce Bickford being quized by FZ about the inspiration for some of his claymation ideas, some Billy content and also Gregory Peccary mentioned by Bruce, as things that had come to him while he was wasted.....and as we know FZ wasted nothing...



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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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there's a bootleg where frank says BTM is going to be their next movie after 200 motels.

i figure it was just frank making fun of "serious" rock operas like Tommy

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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Give me GREGGERY PECCARY anyday!


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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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jeddy wrote:
Give me GREGGERY PECCARY anyday!


Boo!

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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Nah, Billy the Mountain shits on Greggery Peccary vocally..it's a classic performance
Give me Greggery Peccary without the vocal track vaultmeister!


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mutronboy wrote:
Nah, Billy the Mountain shits on Greggery Peccary vocally..it's a classic performance
Give me Greggery Peccary without the vocal track vaultmeister!


Wazoo?

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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Hey calvin, I'm so outta touch I haven't heard any releases since FZ/OZ
I've got some treats in store for me I suspect


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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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mutronboy wrote:
Hey calvin, I'm so outta touch I haven't heard any releases since FZ/OZ
I've got some treats in store for me I suspect


I believe you do. Get to it, asap!

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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thenoisydrum wrote:
I mean, what the f*ck was all that about - seriously!?!?!


duchamp wrote:
No idea. Was always one of the very few FZ items I never understood, or had interest in.



Don't know if you've seen this but it is a fantastic acapella version of BTM by one guy. It opened it up to me.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZa2uhtZDg


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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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When I first encountered it on JABFLA I must admit, I was less than taken, and quite confused, but the first time I ever actually listened to the entire song it became progressively funnier and more impressive. And besides, now I can see just how much conceptual continuity is strewn throughout the lyrics (and music itself!), and that's always enjoyable.

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Don't know if you've seen this but it is a fantastic acapella version of BTM by one guy. It opened it up to me.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZa2uhtZDg


I can't lie, this is pretty awesome.

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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Conceptual continuity ... the closing croons of Ray Collins in America Drinks And Goes Home were reused by Frank for "... he was so he was so-o ... mysterious ...".

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 Post subject: Re: Billy the Mountain
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How much of the lyrics were improvized by Howard and Mark or were they reading them off a piece of paper?


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