[quote author=Sister Ob dewlla B link=board=rant;num=1036133692;start=15#17 date=11/06/02 at 08:17:01]during the 88 tour the band performed as far as i recall extracts from Bartok's second concerto for piano, the prelude from the third act of Lohengrin, an excerpt from the 1812 ouverture by Tchaikovsky and the Habanera theme from Carmen.<br>I will check it again. <br><br>Yeah, opera is also great ! I have seen last july the complete Ring of the nibelung, and it was fantastic ! And if you think of the time, when Wagner wrote these operas, he was way ahead of the time ...[/quote]<br><br>I think yer right here (though the Bartók and Tchaikowky pieces is not opera...

.<br>The complete Nibelung? Jeezus - that is 13 hours, right?<br>Wagner was crazy. We have still troubles dealing with him here in the Fatherland, since he was sort of an anti-semite (which almost everybody was in Europe back then), and he was Hitlers favourite composer. So, if you like Wagner and are not a music-scientist or what, you have the air of being at least a very conservative person who likes to bring back the old days of the bourgoisie leading the grand-german Kaiserreich (mererly the "second one" from 1871 to 1918). ::)<br>But musically and conceptionally it is very interesting...<br>Wagner and FZ have some things in common: f.i. the idea of an "endless melody", or re-occurrng code and themes spreading over vast parts of work, and: they both liked to think of a musical universe that includes everything possible, sound and vision so to say. The term Gesamtkunstwerk, which was provided by Wagner - Conceptual Continuity by FZ., - both did not write music to reinforce your life, you have to think and feel and make something out of it for yourself (unfortunaetly the aformentioned Wagnarians in Germany like to reinforce their attitude with Wagners music...)