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[quote author=Mr_Green_Genes link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=15#16 date=01/29/04 at 06:24:40]Oh Monstermovie,<br>Of course there is the fact that it would be very hard to explain the HUMANOID forms of most suposed seen ETs out there, because of contingent history of Evolution...<br><br>I may be plain wrong on that, but If ETS really exists already in contact with human governements, and if they are really humanoids mabe Raelians are right!<br><br>ARF (I am going MAD!!!)[/quote]<br><br><br>oH, MM, finally I found a very good book by a very good paleontologis, you might be aware of,  Simon Conway Morris (who have at some poit criticized Stephen Jay Gould's Wonderful Life evolutionary contingency theis) called Life's Solution where he postulates the evolutionary convergence of humanoid formsm in other planets... Check it out...

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[quote author=monstermovie link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=0#14 date=01/29/04 at 05:32:55]<br>If you are aware of this kind of serious proof, please let me know[/quote]<br><br><br>http://www.disclosureproject.org/

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[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#52 date=12/05/05 at 06:52:29]Here are some random points occurring to me at midnight on the 5th of december: ... [/quote]<br>[quote author=scallop link=board=general;num=1035831206;start=120#123 date=12/03/05 at 06:45:50]Ahhh, you logical motherfucker! Stop destroying peoples' fantasies![/quote]<br>Snap!!  ;D  Seriously, you've made some interesting points here. This prompted me to look up Fermi's Paradox over the internet which turned up some enjoyable reading. It reminds me of some of my own ideas about the impossibility of time travel.

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Thanks for replying! Lets go by parts, as the ripper would say:<br><br>[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#52 date=12/05/05 at 06:52:29]Here are some random points occurring to me at midnight on the 5th of december:<br><br>1. I've always thought that the word "random" should have an 'n' on the end: "randomn". It just feels right, y'know?[/quote]<br><br>OK<br><br><br>[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#52 date=12/05/05 at 06:52:29]<br>2. Frank Drake's equation was an imaginative idea, but there are parameters in there for which we have ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING CLUE what the values are, and can therefore get any result we desire. The purpose of the equation, by the way, is to get some idea of the number of intelligent civilizations in our galaxy. Until we KNOW that OTHER intelligent life exists, these parameters will always be extremely foggy. [these include the fraction of planets with intelligent life, and the average lifetime of an intelligent civilization].[/quote]<br><br>Actually some of the parameters which we didn't have a clue back in the 70s (llike number of planets the same size as Earth) are now being assessed and others are inflating at a vary fast rate.  The equations, although not a proof, is a way of organizing how to think on the matter, and I think, a elegant one...<br><br>[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#52 date=12/05/05 at 06:52:29]<br>3. If there really are alien UFO's, why the fuck are they here? Would they travel for between 100 years to 100 000 years just to zip around for several seconds and disappear? No. [/quote]<br><br>Well, here you are assuming that if they are here, they've traveled at the speed of light. There migh be a more ingenious way which the human intellect don't grasp yet, like the famous theoretical wormholes, or god know what. And then you assume that they come, hit and run. Maybe they are already here, but cloaked, or time has different importance for them, or god knows what...<br><br><br>They could come here for a number of possible reasons, most likely easy to imagine would be study, research, politics, exploration, exploitation, or god knows what...<br><br>[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#52 date=12/05/05 at 06:52:29]<br>4. It is also extremely unlikely that an ET UFO would be "manned". Presumably, aliens would be mortal. This would mean that either they would come here in a space ship that could sustain them for extroardinarily long periods (1000's of generations) for the trip, or they would use AI.[/quote]<br><br>There should be all sorts of things, "manned and  unmaned" crafts. Maybe there are life forms out there which wouldn't even need a spacecraft or wouldn't even be "mortals" by our humanly standards. But humanoid species with more human-like tecnological development (but, of course, slightely more advanced), should come here, and eventually some would have accidents as it has been speculated by the annedocts we kwon such as Rosewell and Varginha, Br...<br><br>[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#52 date=12/05/05 at 06:52:29]<br>5.  As modern human have only been around for an incredibly short time, any ET civ. would have to be much more advanced than ours.[/quote]<br><br>Sure, and maybe some are less advanced, and thus are not yet here...<br><br><br>[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#52 date=12/05/05 at 06:52:29]<br>6. This presents communication difficulties, at least initially. The ET civ. would have to be in the same technological window that we are in. If, only if, technological advancement proceeds in a predictable way for every civilization [which seems extremely unlikely], the advanced civ. could dumb themselves down for us. If not, it seemingly take a very long time to establish a mode of communication as we try to understand where we are all at. <br>For example, imagine you have spotted a neanderthal-like community on some planet, but have no previous knowledge of neanderthals or what level of technology they have. Then you send them radio signal after radio signal. Nothing. You try the frequencies emitted by various elements. Nothing.[/quote]<br><br>Some authors claim that technological advancements would not be so unpredictable (Take a look at the book NON-ZERO by Robert Wright). I agree with you on the neanderthal issue... But a very advanced civ could have master our languages and medias already in order to make contact or study our culture...<br><br><br>[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#52 date=12/05/05 at 06:52:29]<br>6. Because of the enormous distances involved, ET civs. would likely send out a beacon-signal before travelling for several thousand generations to earth. We sure haven't replied to anything.[/quote]<br><br>There was a story on aa group of researchers who said that if you want to send a message to the cosmos, we should do it like the voyagers message: send it a hard copy, because SETI's strategy of seanding a electromagnetic wave would most certainly loose information in the process... Again, maybe there is no such time constraint...<br><br>[

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[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#52 date=12/05/05 at 06:52:29]<br>7. If we receive an unmistakably beacon of a signal from an ET civ., it would have travelled for probably between 100 - 80 000 years [the latter figure is the distance between us and the furthest perimeter of the galaxy] at the speed of light. That means, if we could decode it and figure out where it came from, our reply will have to travel for between 100 and 80 000 years back. And so on. See the problem with communication?<br><br>8. I would say any detected signal would take at least 100 years to decode.<br><br>9. Would meeting a more advanced civilization be benificial in the long run? My opinion is a fat NO. Our history is a long sad one of oppression of more 'advanced' peoples over newly discovered less 'advanced' ones. It has happened again and again all over the world. If human behaviour is some kind of average, than a more advanced civ., after some initial period of curiosity and wonder, will inevitably oppress us. This is based on the fact that we probably haven't developed MORALLY at the same rate (or at all) as our technology.<br><br>11. Fermi's Paradox, its nature and implications. <br><br>[/quote]<br><br><br>7- Yeah, I agree. Not a very efficient means of making a intragallactic phone call. Maybe they will just come by...<br><br>8- Maybe.... Maybe they already master our languages and medias...<br><br>9-Maybe that is why they would be already here, but not activelly interfereing with our modern civ in a massive way. Maybe we are on some kind of cosmic quarentene...<br><br>11- (where is #10?) . Please, take a look at this this scientific paper....

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[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=60#60 date=12/05/05 at 10:21:19]<br>:) I don't know where number 10 is.   ???<br>[/quote]<br>Hey Vinnie, where's 10?<br>

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[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#54 date=12/05/05 at 08:45:05]Would you care to elaborate on the relationship between the paradox and time-travel?[/quote]<br>The following is a link to one of my posts in the TIME TRAVEL thread.<br><br>  Time Travel

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[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=45#55 date=12/05/05 at 08:49:08]And what do you think about "randomn"? I have no basis for the "n", but I do feel very strongly that it should be there for some reason.[/quote]Could be a sign of brain damage. Random may be randomly blurring with randomness in your brain.  ;D

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Randamoniumly... ::)

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Random was Corwin's brother who was eventually named king of Amber right?

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Huck, that's like, totally random.

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[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=60#65 date=12/05/05 at 20:25:32]<br><br>R A N D O M N O N I U M N  ;)[/quote]<br><br><br>Thanks god it is not Randemoniumn

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[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=60#67 date=12/05/05 at 21:16:25]Mr. Green Genes:<br><br>The article seems to be written by people who really really hope that we are being visited by ET's. I don't really find any of the suggestions of the reasons why ET's would reveal themselves so secretively to be convincing. If they believe we are not ready for them, which may be conceivable, why are they still gradually revealing themselves now anyway? Especially just after two World Wars! [/quote]<br><br>I don't know, maybe so, but what is the difference now? In science there is something about matching the empirical observations with the proposed theoretical framework. I think they are simply trying to do that in a area which is treated with imense skepticism, because of the huge political implications it has... That is a peer reviewd paper BTW.<br><br>[quote author=scallop link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=60#67 date=12/05/05 at 21:16:25]As for the FTL proposal of travel, no real discussion was given to the significant practical implications for such speeds. They just kind of skipped right along after naming them to the UFO reports. I personally found the mention of the FTL expansion of the most outward regions of the universe, far beyond what we will ever see, to be interesting; but how the hell would this kind of knowledge be utilized for travel? [/quote]<br><br>If by FTL you mean Faster than Light speeds, I really don't know much of relativity to get in that kind of discussion. But I know it can't be ruled out unearthed knowledge about how to circumvent this issue. Use your imagination...<br><br>Check the disclousure project link above, go to the media gallery and watch the video of the Press Club 2001. It has some cool reports...<br>

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Dowload the Simpsons'  [glow=green,2,300]song[/glow] of Homer's Secret Society ;D

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Hacker fears 'UFO cover-up'

In 2002, Gary McKinnon was arrested by the UK's national high-tech crime unit, after being accused of hacking into Nasa and the US military computer networks.


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He says he spent two years looking for photographic evidence of alien spacecraft and advanced power technology.

America now wants to put him on trial, and if tried there he could face 60 years behind bars.

Banned from using the internet, Gary spoke to Click presenter Spencer Kelly to tell his side of the story, ahead of his extradition hearing on Wednesday, 10 May. You can read what he had to say here.

Spencer Kelly: Here's your list of charges: you hacked into the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Department of Defense, and Nasa, amongst other things. Why?

Gary McKinnon: I was in search of suppressed technology, laughingly referred to as UFO technology. I think it's the biggest kept secret in the world because of its comic value, but it's a very important thing.

Old-age pensioners can't pay their fuel bills, countries are invaded to award oil contracts to the West, and meanwhile secretive parts of the secret government are sitting on suppressed technology for free energy.

SK: How did you go about trying to find the stuff you were looking for in Nasa, in the Department of Defense?

GM: Unlike the press would have you believe, it wasn't very clever. I searched for blank passwords, I wrote a tiny Perl script that tied together other people's programs that search for blank passwords, so you could scan 65,000 machines in just over eight minutes.

SK: So you're saying that you found computers which had a high-ranking status, administrator status, which hadn't had their passwords set - they were still set to default?

GM: Yes, precisely.

SK: Were you the only hacker to make it past the slightly lower-than-expected lines of defence?

GM: Yes, exactly, there were no lines of defence. There was a permanent tenancy of foreign hackers. You could run a command when you were on the machine that showed connections from all over the world, check the IP address to see if it was another military base or whatever, and it wasn't.

The General Accounting Office in America has again published another damning report saying that federal security is very, very poor.

SK: Over what kind of period were you hacking into these computers? Was it a one-time only, or for the course of a week?

GM: Oh no, it was a couple of years.

SK: And you went unnoticed for a couple of years?

GM: Oh yes. I used to be careful about the hours.

SK: So you would log on in the middle of the night, say?

GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange.

SK: So what did he say? And what did you say?

GM: He said "What are you doing?" which was a bit shocking. I told him I was from Military Computer Security, which he fully believed.

SK: Did you find what you were looking for?

GM: Yes.

SK: Tell us about it.

GM: There was a group called the Disclosure Project. They published a book which had 400 expert witnesses ranging from civilian air traffic controllers, through military radar operators, right up to the chaps who were responsible for whether or not to launch nuclear missiles.

They are some very credible, relied upon people, all saying yes, there is UFO technology, there's anti-gravity, there's free energy, and it's extra-terrestrial in origin, and we've captured spacecraft and reverse-engineered it.

SK: What did you find inside Nasa?

GM: One of these people was a Nasa photographic expert, and she said that in building eight of Johnson Space Centre they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. What she said was there was there: there were folders called "filtered" and "unfiltered", "processed" and "raw", something like that.

I got one picture out of the folder, and bearing in mind this is a 56k dial-up, so a very slow internet connection, in dial-up days, using the remote control programme I turned the colour down to 4bit colour and the screen resolution really, really low, and even then the picture was still juddering as it came onto the screen.

But what came on to the screen was amazing. It was a culmination of all my efforts. It was a picture of something that definitely wasn't man-made.

It was above the Earth's hemisphere. It kind of looked like a satellite. It was cigar-shaped and had geodesic domes above, below, to the left, the right and both ends of it, and although it was a low-resolution picture it was very close up.

This thing was hanging in space, the earth's hemisphere visible below it, and no rivets, no seams, none of the stuff associated with normal man-made manufacturing.

SK: Is it possible this is an artist's impression?

GM: I don't know... For me, it was more than a coincidence. This woman has said: "This is what happens, in this building, in this space centre". I went into that building, that space centre, and saw exactly that.

SK: Do you have a copy of this? It came down to your machine.

GM: No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It's a Java application, so there's nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time.

SK: So did you get the one frame?

GM: No.

SK: What happened?

GM: Once I was cut off, my picture just disappeared.

SK: You were actually cut off the time you were downloading the picture?

GM: Yes, I saw the guy's hand move across.

SK: You acknowledge that what you did was against the law, it was wrong, don't you?

GM: Unauthorised access is against the law and it is wrong.

SK: What do you think is a suitable punishment for someone who did what you did?

GM: Firstly, because of what I was looking for, I think I was morally correct. Even though I regret it now, I think the free energy technology should be publicly available.

I want to be tried in my own country, under the Computer Misuse Act, and I want evidence brought forward, or at least want the Americans to have to provide evidence in order to extradite me, because I know there is no evidence of damage.

Nasa told Click that it does not discuss computer security issues or legal matters. It denied it would ever manipulate images in order to deceive and said it had a policy of open and full disclosure, adding it had no direct evidence of extra-terrestrial life [yeah, sure...].





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This is hot shit... Take your time and read the interview above...

Open your eyes and face the reality that, besides not being alone, we are mastered by a secrete group who manges to be above our democratic systems...

"FREE" ENERGY* is not a utopia it is already at our grasp...

*This is about energy tecnology alledgedelly based on heavy atomic weight artificial elements that can generate pratically infinite amounts of energy, which would allow to the decentralization of energy generation and to promote the regional development of poor and starving parts of the world... Just think about it...

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