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[quote author=dkaplowitz link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=15#23 date=12/11/05 at 12:15:56]<br><br>Yes, it's a silly notion, I agree. But the truth remains, if you grow just a moustache with no other facial hair, you will look like a cop, a homo, or a 70s porn star. By the way, Hitler and Stalin fall into the "cop" category. Maybe instead of "cop" I should have a right wing, reactionary, fascist who is also a tyrannical, genocidal, totalitarian, absolutist despot. Somehow cop is easier to say. <br><br>If you want to "be yourself" and look like one of those things, then be my guest. But I don't think I'm alone in not trusting people who only have a moustache that isn't counter-balanced by some other facial hair. <br><br>90-95% of the "geniuses" on peerdiem's list had some type of beard to go with their moustaches (and he left off Dostoyevsky). [/quote]<br><br>It's not a truth, it's YOUR truth. It's not even a truth, it's a personal misconception. I don't consider my uncles, my grand-father, or even my father, to be put on the list of "right wing, reactionary, fascist who is also a tyrannical, genocidal, totalitarian, absolutist despot". <br><br>Maybe you like to trust people with no mustaches, then be my guest. The likes of Bush perhaps ? You see how ridiculous your misconception is ?!   ::)

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[quote author=Mij link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=15#26 date=12/11/05 at 14:29:00]I don't consider my uncles, my grand-father, or even my father, to be put on the list of "right wing, reactionary, fascist who is also a tyrannical, genocidal, totalitarian, absolutist despot". [/quote]<br><br>Hey, there's still Germans and Austrians who defend the 3rd Reich. If it's your family, it's very hard to realize they're war criminals, man. I understand completely. It doesn't make my truth any less so.  ;D

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:12 pm 
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[quote author=dkaplowitz link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=15#27 date=12/11/05 at 14:38:51]<br><br>Hey, there's still Germans and Austrians who defend the 3rd Reich. If it's your family, it's very hard to realize they're war criminals, man. I understand completely. It doesn't make my truth any less so.  ;D[/quote]<br><br>I'm not from Germany, nor Austria. You should inform yourself. You're in the wrong with a personal misconception that you're trying to impose to others as "truth". Thus...<br>Beware of that dangerous Charlie Chaplin !!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:34 pm 
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[quote author=Mij link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=15#28 date=12/11/05 at 16:12:18]<br><br>I'm not from Germany, nor Austria. You should inform yourself. You're in the wrong with a personal misconception that you're trying to impose to others as "truth". Thus...<br>Beware of that dangerous Charlie Chaplin !!!![/quote]<br>I would expect this type of reply from a moustache wearing member of a family of war criminals. Just b/c your family escaped to Canada doesn't mean they're no longer war criminals and that they shouldn't be brought to justice!<br><br>Beware the boys from Brazil with blue eyes!<br>

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:03 pm 
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[quote author=dkaplowitz link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=15#29 date=12/11/05 at 16:34:39]<br>I would expect this type of reply from a moustache wearing member of a family of war criminals. Just b/c your family escaped to Canada doesn't mean they're no longer war criminals and that they shouldn't be brought to justice!<br><br>Beware the boys from Brazil with blue eyes!<br>[/quote]<br>You either pull my plug or you're a complete idiot, that, I'll never know. Unless you're a Bush fan ?<br><br>What I know is that in my everyday life I have to meet and mingle with all kind of peoples, with mustache, without mustache, with beard, without beard, with long hair, with no hair, with red hair. I would be a complete asshole if I made up my mind about them by their facial features, their hair or their clothing. I know better than that. Who cares if hair is long or short or spayed or partly grayed ? (remember ?) Appearance doesn't mean much. Some like to adhere to the latest fashion, others couldn't care less.<br><br>If fact, in everyday life, I have more troubles with peoples minds than with their "features". Judging a book by the cover ? Not me.<br><br>Oh, by the way, my family is in Québec since 1679.   8)

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[quote author=Mij link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=30#30 date=12/11/05 at 18:03:52] ... Who cares if hair is long or short or spayed or partly grayed ? ... [/quote] "We know that hair ain't where it's at." I have to agree Mij, but I can't always manage it. I grew up in one of the roughest neighbourhoods in South Australia and there is a certain type of shirt (cheap cotten flanelette with various check patterns), a certain type of beard (a beard behind which you might not even recognise your own father) and other readily identifiable features which have a deep association with ignorance and violence which I witnessed first hand and thus have difficulty trying not use these features as an instant impression when I see a station wagon full of these denizens pull up somewhere.<br><br>
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If fact, in everyday life, I have more troubles with peoples minds than with their "features".
"What's the ugliest part of your body?" Ahmen to that. Indeed, the reasoning of some people's minds is scary. Think of that Ancient Greek female mathematician who was scraped to death with shells.<br><br>
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I'm afraid there are some blatantly obvious cases when this is a good idea. There are distinct sub cultures that involve very specific ways of doing things including a clearly recognisable uniform of sorts. If that sub culture involves doing things that you find abhorrent then it's a good idea to remember what they look like and steer clear. I try not to apply this kind of reasoning to people in general, but at the same time there are some pretty awful experiences I'd rather not repeat.<br><br>In winter I wear those flanelette shirts and Levi jeans, because they're hard wearing, inexpensive and comfortable and I get down the nose looks, so I guess it goes both ways. It's probably pathetic, but I try to find patterns that are unusual - plain red, blue or black checks are the most common amongst "boguns" as they're called in NSW.<br><br>On the moustache front. I grew a full beard once, shaved it off except the goatee and moustache and then after pissing myself laughing shaved those off as well. Besides that there are issues when eating and drinking with a beard that I can do without anyway.

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If a guy goes through all the trouble to find himself a regular and official Nazi outfit, and wears it, and it's not even Halloween, I'd say that, yeah, I can rightly assume that he's making a statement and has a certain dirty mind that goes with the outfit. He's wearing an uniform.<br><br>But, let's get serious. We're talking here about a mustache. A scary mustache !!!   ::)

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[quote author=dkaplowitz link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=15#20 date=12/11/05 at 11:22:06]<br>Partner, not podner! But yeah, that's kinda' what I meant. What a loss she was!<br>[/quote]<br><br>She had a moustache?  8)<br>

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dkaplowitz <br><br>I.<br>Moustached people are often attacked by people who are not blessed with this sign of divinity. Terms like ”Cop”, ”Homo” and ”Porn Star” are commonly used to stigmatize the moustached. Genius would be more appropriate, although it must be admitted that some moustaches are ugly and wants to die. <br><br>II.<br>You claim that a majority of the people on my list have moustaches in addition to some other facial hair. This is not correct, unless eyebrows count as facial hair. In my studies, eyebrows have been ignored whenever possible. I searched for pictures of all moustachees on google. Here’s what I found:<br><br>Frank Zappa – moustache and imperial and chin<br>Arne Garborg – moustache and imperial<br>Edvard Grieg – moustache only<br>Johan Halvorsen – moustache only<br>Knut Hamsun – moustache only (full beard later in life, like FZ)<br>Alexander Kielland – moustache and imperial<br>Vilhelm Krag – moustache only<br>Edvard Munch – moustache only<br>Arild Nyquist – moustache only<br>Sigbjørn Obstfelder – moustache only<br>Christian Sinding – moustache and goatee<br>Johan Svendsen – moustache only<br>Arnulf Øverland – moustache only<br>Salvador Dalí – moustache only<br>Sergei Diaghilev – moustache only<br>Albert Einstein – moustache only<br>William Faulkner – moustache only<br>Nikolay Gogol – not sure <br>Martin Heidegger – moustache only<br>Heinrich Himmler – moustache only<br>Adolf Hitler – moustache only<br>Thomas Mann – moustache only<br>Friedrich Nietzsche – moustache only<br>Fernando Pessoa – moustache only<br>Edgar Allan Poe – moustache only<br>William Shakespeare – not sure<br>Aleksandr Skiabin – moustache and goatee<br>Joseph Stalin – moustache only<br>Igor Stravinsky – moustache only<br>August Strindberg – moustache and imperial<br><br>Statistics: <br>Additional Facial Hair (AFH RATE) = 6<br>NOT SURE (NS RATE) = 2<br>Moustache Only (MO RATE) = 22<br><br>Many geniuses had moustaches + + . Dostoevsky was among them (although in his younger years, he too wore a moustache without extras). The list of Norwegian heroes with a moustache AND something more include (among others):<br><br>Petter Dass<br>Hans Jæger<br>Theodor Kittelsen<br>Christian Krohg<br>Aksel Sandemose<br>Aasmund Olavsson Vinje.<br><br>Henrik Ibsen was a weirdo. He wore a full beard until he got famous, - then he removed the moustache and kept the beard. In later years, all he had was some really weird sideburns. This made him look like a logo. That was probably the idea.<br> <br>Stalin wasn’t a a right wing, reactionary, fascist who is also a tyrannical, genocidal, totalitarian, absolutist despot. <br><br>--<br>swiftkicknow<br><br>Thanks. Unfortunately, the moustache was there when I got the job. <br><br>--<br>to the rest of you<br><br>I’m happy to see that my scientific work is found interesting, and I’m thankful for all you have contributed to it. I will continue my work, convinced as I am that Moustaches is the most important thing in the world. Right now, Moustache is the Nigger of the World, but I hope that it will be done justice in the future. <br><br>Next time a PM or President is elected in your country, go for the moustached guy. FZ’s friend Vaclav Havel, former President of the Czech Republic, has a moustache. He’s one of the good guys. <br>


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:15 am 
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Image<br><br>a fine moustache indeed...

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[quote author=Mij link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=30#30 date=12/11/05 at 18:03:52]<br>You either pull my plug or you're a complete idiot, that, I'll never know. Unless you're a Bush fan ?<br><br>quote]<br><br>i like bush  ;D

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[quote author=masterofnuthin link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=30#37 date=12/12/05 at 12:51:21]You either pull my plug or you're a complete idiot, that, I'll never know. Unless you're a Bush fan ?<br><br>quote]<br><br>i like bush  ;D [/quote]<br><br>Getting lonelier by the minutes...<br>Just give some reasons for such a love   :P<br>[sub](just the thought makes me sick)[/sub]<br>

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Some photographic evidence:<br><br>Image<br>Edvard Grieg<br><br>Image<br>Albert Einstein<br><br>Image<br>Frank Zappa and Vaclav Havel<br><br>Image<br>Friedrich Nietzsche<br><br>Image<br>Adolf Hitler<br><br>Image<br>Me


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[quote author=peerdiem link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=30#39 date=12/13/05 at 09:21:52]Image<br>Me[/quote]<br><br>Practicing practicing practicing<br>The Stare<br>The Stare<br>The secret stare he would use if a worthy looking victim would apeeeeeer-he-he-he-heeeeeeer<br>Practicing practicing practicing

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[quote author=swiftkicknow link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=30#40 date=12/13/05 at 09:26:19]<br><br>Practicing practicing practicing<br>The Stare<br>The Stare<br>The secret stare he would use if a worthy looking victim would apeeeeeer-he-he-he-heeeeeeer<br>Practicing practicing practicing[/quote]<br><br>How true that is! <br><br>I'm starting to get good at it. But the mystery of the mou-sta-che adds to it. So it's not all skill.


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[quote author=peerdiem link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=30#41 date=12/13/05 at 09:33:32]<br>How true that is! <br><br>I'm starting to get good at it. But the mystery of the mou-sta-che adds to it. So it's not all skill. [/quote]<br><br> ;D HAHAHA<br>

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[quote author=peerdiem link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=30#35 date=12/12/05 at 09:29:50]although it must be admitted that some moustaches are ugly and wants to die. [/quote]<br><br>That was my main point. Forgive me for stating it so absolutely, but in my world it's that black or white.<br><br>[quote author=peerdiem link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=30#35 date=12/12/05 at 09:29:50]<br>Stalin wasn’t a a right wing, reactionary, fascist who is also a tyrannical, genocidal, totalitarian, absolutist despot. <br>[/quote]<br>So b/c he was a communist he wasn't right wing? Then Hitler wasn't right wing either. What about all the other terms? Do those not apply? Reactionary? Fascist? Tyrannical? I could see where you might argue against genocidal, but ask the people who lived through the gulags and purges, they might be able to better answer that. Totalitarian? Absolutist? Despot? I think most of it can fairly be applied to Stalin. Or have we been reading different history books?

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[quote author=BatchainPhase3 link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=45#45 date=12/13/05 at 11:01:37][center]Image[/center]<br>Peer, are you rather enamored of that intimidating look that's sort of an cross between Grigory Rasputin and Anton Szandor LaVey? :o<br><br>--Batchain ;)[/quote]<br>you're too kind bat  ;D<br>

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i believe having a moustace projects a level of sophistication unachievable by women 8)

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LMFAO! This thread has just made me laugh so much.  ;D You gang of moustachioed freaks!! Can't say I care for 'taches alone without a beardy look as well, now I love a nice scruffy stubbly look, thats cool, and lots of hair! I reckon taches on their own, sometimes can look a little pervy, no offence intended to anyone btw.  8)

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[quote author=BatchainPhase3 link=board=rant;num=1134307375;start=30#44 date=12/13/05 at 10:50:34]<br>Just a minor adjustment here. Stalin was on the Left Wing while Hitler was on the Right Wing -- that ought to clear up all remaining confusion. Correct? (Bear in mind: Russia was very low-tech while Germany was very high-tech.)<br><br>--Batchain<br>[/quote]<br><br>Okay, fair enough. Remove "right wing" from my description, but leave all the other nouns and adjectives.

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