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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:52 am 
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Taking a trip back to Dweezil Zappa's Confession LP
Released in 1991 on Barking Pumpkin Records .

Gotta Get To You is one example where the Conceptual Continuity
has more layers than Peppridge Farms.


Gotta Get To You
http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/Dweez ... yj6tHesyUv
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I don't like it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:54 pm 
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I don't like it.


You dont like it because its terrible. Im sorry, I love Dweezil but.. come on. This is some of the worst shit ever. I'll probably catch hell for saying this, but I just call it like I see it. Does someone out there actually like this? Who gives a fuck if what they play is somewhat insincere...

If this song was done by anyone else it would have been skewered by Frank.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:27 pm 
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Joel Osteen wrote:
HJ wrote:
I don't like it.


You dont like it because its terrible. Im sorry, I love Dweezil but.. come on.
This is some of the worst shit ever. I'll probably catch hell for saying this, but I just call it like I see it.
Does someone out there actually like this? Who gives a fuck if what they play is somewhat insincere...

If this song was done by anyone else it would have been skewered by Frank.


You guys don't have to like it.
It's of the Van Halen mold that Van Halen wish they could have been in 1991
and by no means do I think that is an over rated statement.
F.U.C.K, 4 #1 Billboard Albums with Sammy Hagar is not what I call impressive.
What strikes me most in the Heavy Metal Gods sense is the diversity over their career
and Gotta Get To You gets to me just as much as anything in Van Halen's traditional song format.
It's Vards To The Max without the need for a Ted Templeman.


If you look at not only where Van Halen had come from but where they were headed
Gotta Get To You is basically everything they were and about to become in a nutshell.
Dweezil Zappa wrote better, all these musicians performed better
and the production lights out is definitive of anything Van Halen should have but could not do in 1991.

Dateline 1991 Frank Zappa was amazed by Dweezil & Company.
A friend of mine attended the record release promotional show in LA with FZ.
AS they sat together watching the show he and FZ were both in absolute amazement
and in all sincerity it is of my opinion that these feelings had nothing to do with coddling the nest.

But don't worry folks it's 2009. Dweezil will give you something new for you to complain about.
Music styles change, Frank is not here to tell you how he felt in 1991.
I would gladly be extremely diplomatic and just say there is no accounting for taste
but for you to have the audacity to directly state and I quote
"If this song was done by anyone else it would have been skewered by Frank".
-Fuck You.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:32 pm 
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I like it. Yeah, a young Dweezil is wearing his Van Halen influence on his sleeve and everywhere else as is Ahmet doing his best DLR. But shit, I like Van Halen. I like Dweezil. I like Ahmet. I like Keneally. I like Thunes. I like it.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:00 pm 
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Schoolyard rock.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:43 pm 
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Trendmonger wrote:
You guys don't have to like it.
It's of the Van Halen mold that Van Halen wish they could have been in 1991

I am happy to hear that. I thought it was a requirement - silly me.

As for the second statement: I don't think so. Please try to get over that Eddie V. H. once said that Dweezil sounded more than EVH than himself. Ever occurred to you that people say varioius things as compliments? Not because they believe in them literally?

Guess not. Well, you don't have to use you mind.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:54 am 
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KillUgly wrote:
I like it. Yeah, a young Dweezil is wearing his Van Halen influence on his sleeve
and everywhere else as is Ahmet doing his best DLR.

But shit, I like Van Halen. I like Dweezil. I like Ahmet. I like Keneally. I like Thunes. I like it.


Why not add Josh Freese and Nuno Bettencourt while you are at it.
Travers brings the rock but before hand Josh did a fine job with Dweezil Zappa's band
and playing on the Confessions LP. For this genre of music Nuno & Dweezil produced a sound
that is unparalleled for what was going on at that period of time. The vocal arrangements,
diverse guitar styles and overall diversity are stellar on the Confessions LP.

I was fortunate to see Van Halen open up for Black Sabbath at Madison Square Garden on August 27 1978.
I can remember this day not only for the entertaining show but that within a few days I had met my wife.
Music styles change, people change but as far as material and musicianship Dweezil Zappa back in 1991
had a band that delivered the goods more so than any other out band out there. Here is a short list
of some of the artists with top ten rock albums in 1991. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, U2, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Guns N' Roses.
From my perspective those bands delivered nothing of redeeming guitar orientated music. Not
to put Slash into the trash bin but overall these bands just had no special sauce. Rock Trends were changing big
time and Confessions is one of the last really good rock records of that time.
F.W.A.K, Shoogagoogagunga & Obviously Influenced By The Devil alone are enough to raise guitar from the dead
but if you were fortunate to see them live back at that time you may have heard Purple Guitar which is not only
my favorati but FZs.

I was never a big Van Halen fan. I have the albums and think the music is good with some amazing guitar work.
Dweezil is and was not only better at it but was far more adventurous in his diversity of song structures
and proficiency of not only Eddies Guitar styling but many others.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:08 am 
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HJ wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:
You guys don't have to like it.
It's of the Van Halen mold that Van Halen wish they could have been in 1991

I am happy to hear that. I thought it was a requirement - silly me.

As for the second statement: I don't think so. Please try to get over that Eddie V. H. once said that Dweezil sounded more than EVH than himself. Ever occurred to you that people say varioius things as compliments? Not because they believe in them literally?

Guess not. Well, you don't have to use you mind.


There is no reason to get over it because Dweezil Zappa has shown he not only can be better at doing Eddie Van Halen
than Eddie Van Halen but that he does so many other things exceptional in not only performance guitar but writing.

I am not saying Dweezil Zappa's pop orientated songs collectively outshine what Van Halen has accomplished
but make no mistake that a combination of DZs vocal rock and instrumental rock Dweezil Zappa blows Van Halen away.

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I have Dweezil's "Having a Bad Day" on vinyl. It is dreadful. Poor recording, muddy drum mix. Absolute waste of Terry Bozzio's, among others, talent.

That is all.


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"-Fuck You."

Have I offended someone?





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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:33 am 
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psd wrote:
I have Dweezil's "Having a Bad Day" on vinyl. It is dreadful.
Poor recording, muddy drum mix. Absolute waste of Terry Bozzio's, among others, talent.

That is all.


This discussion started with Gotta Get To You which is from Dweezil Zappa's Confessions LP
which was released in 1991. Dweezil Zappa's "Having a Bad Day" LP was released in August of 1986
when Dweezil was 16 years old(typo correction duly noted) and only playing guitar for a few years.

"Having a Bad Day" is of a different statistical density as that of Confessions
but in talking of "Having a Bad Day" I certainly don't know of too many 16 year old recording artists
back in 1986 that had a premiere album that showed the forthcoming promise as that as "Having a Bad Day".

As far as your comment on the Drum MIX of Having a Bad Day.
Bob Stone -

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:58 am 
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Trendmonger wrote:
Dweezil Zappa's "Having a Bad Day" LP was released in August of 1986
when Dweezil was 15 years old

Yes, he's so mindblowingly out-there, he even manages to be born in September 1969 and still being 15 years old in 1986 :P


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Trendmonger wrote:
… I certainly don't know of too many 15 year old recording artists
back in 1986 that had a premiere album that showed the forthcoming promise …

I certainly don't know of too many 15 year old recording artists back in 1986 that had a state-of-the-art recording studio in their household, incl. engineer, top notch musicians at hand and a famous father, that would finance the whole thing, release and promote it – no matter what the result.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:09 am 
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buffalo_voice wrote:
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Dweezil Zappa's "Having a Bad Day" LP was released in August of 1986
when Dweezil was 15 years old

Yes, he's so mindblowingly out-there, he even manages to be born in September 1969 and still being 15 years old in 1986 :P

Well thank you for alerting me to that typo & or calculation error.
I am aware of when Dweezil Zappa was born and being that his 40th birthday is only a few days away
why should I expect the folks around here that overindulge in negativity to change just because of that.
I appreciate you bringing out the error but your style of reporting that error
is delivered in a tone that perpetuates negativity.

Considering that Eddie Van Halen was already in his 20s when Gene Simmons of KISS financed
their first demo tape and that Eddie was 23 years old when the first Van Halen album was released
I have no problem looking at "Having a Bad Day" as a fine premiere album for a developing solo artist
that is very early in his career that is diverse as just about anyone out there.

What is so disappointing is Eddie Van Halen showed so much promise in 1978.
Eddie Van Halen never quite developed anywhere near expectations. Eddie Van Halen could learn a valuable lesson
not only in the career artistic development process from Dweezil but on how to go about living ones day to day life
with a centered energy that is positive not only to himself but those around him. I am not trying to pick on Eddie Van Halen
but it may be fair to say that personal demons and commercialism have had a strangle hold on his artistic expression.
I could hope that DZ/EVH can at some point collaborate on a full album project that puts the comparisons to bed.

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Trendmonger wrote:
What is so disappointing is Eddie Van Halen showed so much promise in 1978.
Eddie Van Halen never quite developed anywhere near expectations.


Whose expectations? Yours?

Eddie revolutionized hard rock guitar and inspired countless imitators, including DZ.

Why so much negativity towards EVH? Do you have an agenda? :wink:

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because EVH did not spring from zappa's loins. :mrgreen:

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