Zappa.com

The Official Frank Zappa Messageboards
It is currently Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:44 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 44 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am
Posts: 1346
Location: Paris, France
There are a few FZ albums legally available to download on Jiwa, however I dunno if it is possible to buy from every country.


Last edited by Maroual on Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:07 am, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:37 pm
Posts: 32
I would be all for this if the quality of iTunes downloaded songs didn't suck.

_________________
http://www.petitiononline.com/ZPZwales/petition.html


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:42 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 05, 2002 6:21 am
Posts: 210
The songs could be made available via iTunes in lossless m4a format without Apple's proprietary DRM technology. EMI and some independent labels allow Apple to provide their music to consumers this way.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:51 pm
Posts: 2344
Location: Europe
Yeah, it would be a great idea. In the unlikely case some kid stumbles over Zappa now, all he/she get is AAFNRAA. Not the best kind of advertisement. But what do I know about selling music in a cottage industry? :)

_________________
"Everybody in this room is wearing a uniform, and don't kid yourself" - FZ
http://www.myspace.com/kirnehness


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:07 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am
Posts: 1346
Location: Paris, France
Have you heard about Deezer?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Wish List
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:05 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:56 am
Posts: 111
I've got to jump in on this one. I was very disappointed when they yanked Frank's stuff from itunes. Let's admit it- we all have favorite stuff/periods of most artists we listen to; even Frank. So when we get setlists of ZPZ shows, and are not familiar w/ a song or two from a certain period, it would be good to be able to just download that one song so as to familiarize ones self w/ that tune to maximize the concertgoing experience. Case in point: While I feel that the whole OSFA time period was one of FZ's best, I'm less enthusiastic about the, lets say FZMTMOP period. So when the last setlist included "What's New In Baltimore", I didn't know what the hell it was, cuz most of what I've heard from that era I didn't particularly like. When I found myself downloading that song for free at my local library I discovered 2 things:
1. I felt a bit guilty taking one of Franks songs w/out paying for it (Hey,
that's just me)
2. What's new in Baltimore is a suprisingly fucking incredible song.

So, ZFT. bring back Franks stuff to itunes so as to increase it's accessibility. That's what it's all about in the end, isn't it?; getting it out there to more and more people. That's what this whole ZPZ/FZ 'Revival' thing is about, isn't it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Wish List
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:05 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am
Posts: 1346
Location: Paris, France
cozylittlefooties wrote:
So, ZFT. bring back Franks stuff to itunes so as to increase it's accessibility.

Why do you absolutely need it to be on iTunes?
Have you tried Jiwa or Deezer instead?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:04 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:56 am
Posts: 111
I dunno. Are those file sharing sites, or "pay for" sites?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:07 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:56 am
Posts: 111
cozylittlefooties wrote:
I dunno. Are those file sharing sites, or "pay for" sites?


Like I said, I've kinda got a problem w/ taking an artist's work w/out compensating the owners, but I don't want to open up that whole beaten up thing on this thread. It's just me.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:36 am 
Offline
Banned
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:44 pm
Posts: 7813
Location: Underneath Virginia
VirginiaColonoscopyBandit wrote:
Um what's wrong with iTunes?


Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes#iTunes_Store

Version 4 of iTunes introduced the iTunes Music Store (later renamed to the iTunes Store) from which iTunes users can buy and download songs for use on a limited number of computers and an unlimited number of iPods. Many songs purchased from the iTunes Store are copy protected with Apple's FairPlay digital rights management (DRM) system.


Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

Digital rights management (DRM) is an umbrella term that refers to access control technologies used by publishers and copyright holders to limit usage of digital media or devices. It may also refer to restrictions associated with specific instances of digital works or devices.


If you buy songs from iTunes, you will only be able to copy them to an iPod. You can't burn them to a CD. I don't have an iPod. If I'm going to be spending a lot of money to buy some piece-of-shit gizmo anyway, I'd rather spend money to buy the CDs, or purchase MP3s from another service and burn them onto a CD. If Frank's music was to be offered for download, the ZFT would be better off coming up with their own service rather than dealing with Apple.

[size=0]Isaac[/size]

_________________
I want dis little pussy
Baby wants some o' dis
And some o' dat
Don't treat me, baby, like your
Any old Alley Cat
Alley Cat, Alley Cat


Jimmie D Fan


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:55 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am
Posts: 1346
Location: Paris, France
cozylittlefooties wrote:
cozylittlefooties wrote:
I dunno. Are those file sharing sites, or "pay for" sites?


Like I said, I've kinda got a problem w/ taking an artist's work w/out compensating the owners, but I don't want to open up that whole beaten up thing on this thread. It's just me.

These seem to be legal platforms where you can buy music.

Isaac wrote:
I'd rather spend money to buy the CDs, or purchase MP3s from another service and burn them onto a CD.

Same 4 me, however I always prefer a CD than a lossy codec.
I hope you are talking about burning an ISO9600 CD-R, right? Not using the CD-Audio fomat.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 05, 2002 6:21 am
Posts: 210
Isaac wrote:
VirginiaColonoscopyBandit wrote:
Um what's wrong with iTunes?


Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes#iTunes_Store

Version 4 of iTunes introduced the iTunes Music Store (later renamed to the iTunes Store) from which iTunes users can buy and download songs for use on a limited number of computers and an unlimited number of iPods. Many songs purchased from the iTunes Store are copy protected with Apple's FairPlay digital rights management (DRM) system.


Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

Digital rights management (DRM) is an umbrella term that refers to access control technologies used by publishers and copyright holders to limit usage of digital media or devices. It may also refer to restrictions associated with specific instances of digital works or devices.


If you buy songs from iTunes, you will only be able to copy them to an iPod. You can't burn them to a CD. I don't have an iPod. If I'm going to be spending a lot of money to buy some piece-of-shit gizmo anyway, I'd rather spend money to buy the CDs, or purchase MP3s from another service and burn them onto a CD. If Frank's music was to be offered for download, the ZFT would be better off coming up with their own service rather than dealing with Apple.

[size=0]Isaac[/size]


But
Bill wrote:
The songs could be made available via iTunes in lossless m4a format without Apple's proprietary DRM technology. EMI and some independent labels allow Apple to provide their music to consumers this way.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:15 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri May 23, 2008 5:07 am
Posts: 2
Location: Sweden
Quote:

If you buy songs from iTunes, you will only be able to copy them to an iPod. You can't burn them to a CD. I don't have an iPod. If I'm going to be spending a lot of money to buy some piece-of-shit gizmo anyway, I'd rather spend money to buy the CDs, or purchase MP3s from another service and burn them onto a CD. If Frank's music was to be offered for download, the ZFT would be better off coming up with their own service rather than dealing with Apple.

[size=0]Isaac[/size]


You are wrong. Songs from iTunes can be burned on a CD.
I who have all Zappa on vinyl wants to get them to my computer. I only had time to buy Sleep Dirt.
Get Zappa back to iTunes.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 19, 2002 10:51 pm
Posts: 2344
Location: Europe
Isaac wrote:
If you buy songs from iTunes, you will only be able to copy them to an iPod. You can't burn them to a CD. I don't have an iPod. If I'm going to be spending a lot of money to buy some piece-of-shit gizmo anyway, I'd rather spend money to buy the CDs, or purchase MP3s from another service and burn them onto a CD. If Frank's music was to be offered for download, the ZFT would be better off coming up with their own service rather than dealing with Apple.


To iterate a bit further: Not only can you burn Itunes purchased songs to a CD, you can then rip back the songs to regular mp3 format and put them on whatever mp3 player you want. So I use Itunes a lot, but I don't own an Ipod. No problems there.

_________________
"Everybody in this room is wearing a uniform, and don't kid yourself" - FZ
http://www.myspace.com/kirnehness


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:50 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am
Posts: 1346
Location: Paris, France
HJ wrote:
Isaac wrote:
If you buy songs from iTunes, you will only be able to copy them to an iPod. You can't burn them to a CD. I don't have an iPod. If I'm going to be spending a lot of money to buy some piece-of-shit gizmo anyway, I'd rather spend money to buy the CDs, or purchase MP3s from another service and burn them onto a CD. If Frank's music was to be offered for download, the ZFT would be better off coming up with their own service rather than dealing with Apple.


To iterate a bit further: Not only can you burn Itunes purchased songs to a CD, you can then rip back the songs to regular mp3 format and put them on whatever mp3 player you want. So I use Itunes a lot, but I don't own an Ipod. No problems there.

Yes and you can reiterate this bit several times using different lossy codecs and various bitrates.
After this you can copy the music on a CrO2 tape through a jack cable and why not store the final result on a DVD Audio.
Still no problems there.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Zappa Radio
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:50 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:42 am
Posts: 1
I love the idea, but please!?! 64K? That's just irritating.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Zappa Radio
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am
Posts: 1346
Location: Paris, France
AudioJeff wrote:
I love the idea, but please!?! 64K? That's just irritating.

Ok, you are right 64 kbps mp3 (MPEG-1 Layer 3) is a big waste of space.
In order to obtain smaller files, you can use 8 kbps MPEG-2 in mono instead.

As a comparison, the track Baby Snakes (from Ryko RCD 10539) would require:
  • 827 Kb encoded in mp3 @64 kbps stereo
  • 106 Kb in MPEG-2 @8 kbps mono... but it'll look like it is sung by whales :wink:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:04 pm
Posts: 254
Location: Washington DC
To iterate a bit further: Not only can you burn Itunes purchased songs to a CD, you can then rip back the songs to regular mp3 format and put them on whatever mp3 player you want. So I use Itunes a lot, but I don't own an Ipod. No problems there.[/quote]


I wouldn't do that. That's where the real quality issues come in. You take a lossy mp3 file and burn it to disc where it becomes a lossless wav file. If you convert that back to mp3 you have an mp3 that's been compressed twice...and it might not sound so pretty.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 7:29 pm
Posts: 9582
ipods are for pussies

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 44 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group