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 Post subject: The FZ Vault
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:00 pm 
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My gut invites feelings that the masses of material that lie in
his Vault relate to Frank's life...not Gail's, not Ahmet's, not Moon's
or Dweezils, ....... Frank's.

Obviously, I am an unrelated and unconnected
individual.... hypothes....hypothez...hypothesising broadly,
hugely, massively.

I am interested to know what the vault means to the
Zappa clan.
How they perceive it, how they browse it,
whether they get together occasionally to listen to
random selections, are they actively immersed in
reviewing the material?

Is it a focus in their lives or the domain
of employed people to nurture and preserve the
musical outpourings of the man?

Does anyone have any valuable insight?


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I think it's everything to them. I don't think you could overestimate how much emotion is tied up in that thing. They must feel like the vault is the only place in the world where Frank's music exists in it's purist form, forever. Where it is preserved for the future, as an original Bach score is.

It's also a living. And a source of great power which can be used to manipulate true FZ fans.

Or not.

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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
I think it's everything to them. I don't think you could overestimate how much emotion is tied up in that thing. They must feel like the vault is the only place in the world where Frank's music exists in it's purist form, forever. Where it is preserved for the future, as an original Bach score is.

It's also a living. And a source of great power which can be used to manipulate true FZ fans.

Or not.


'Entertain' is the word I hoped you'd use, rather than
'manipulate'.

All this is pure speculation, from both of us, of course.
Is there anyone here tangibly connected to the Zappa
family who can comment?


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 Post subject: Images from the Vault...
PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:59 am 
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I'm really curious about this mythical Vault. Does any of you seen it? Is there any picture of the Vault somewhere in internet?
How much is it wide? How many shelves are in it? How many unlistened music lies down there?
Sometime I think the Vault is like Borges' Library of Babel...

These are some questions I would like to add to the ones submitted by Vaxxine, which I find more than rightful.

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bongo fury wrote:
I'm really curious about this mythical Vault. Does any of you seen it? Is there any picture of the Vault somewhere in internet?
How much is it wide? How many shelves are in it? How many unlistened music lies down there?
Sometime I think the Vault is like Borges' Library of Babel...

These are some questions I would like to add to the ones submitted by Vaxxine, which I find more than rightful.

It can be seen in the Classic Albums Apostrophe (') / Over-Nite Sensation, Chapter 12 - Welcome To The Vault (6:23).
As well it could have been faked, like you know humankind has never really walked on the moon...


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Didn't somebody win a trip to the vault??
Where's THAT GUY?


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'Shall we take ourshelves seriously .......'


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Eric Vaxxine wrote:
'Shall we take ourshelves seriously .......'

Ummmmm......Nah!

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What left in the vault that could be interresting?

http://www.zappa.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... left+vault

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Zut_boF wrote:
What left in the vault that could be interresting?

http://www.zappa.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... left+vault
Everything

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bongo fury wrote:
I'm really curious about this mythical Vault. Does any of you seen it? Is there any picture of the Vault somewhere in internet?
How much is it wide? How many shelves are in it? How many unlistened music lies down there?
Sometime I think the Vault is like Borges' Library of Babel...

These are some questions I would like to add to the ones submitted by Vaxxine, which I find more than rightful.


I know a guy who was down in the vault. he got a guided tour by frank himself... I swore not to reveal any details. :twisted:

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Lumpy Gravy wrote:


I know a guy who was down in the vault. he got a guided tour by frank himself... I swore not to reveal any details. :twisted:


I do believe it's SWEARIN' TIME!!!


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If the armed guards don't get you, then the sharks with lasers attached to their heads surely will.

You do not get in the vault.

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I wonder if the Zappa kids have ever had any jobs or do they just do the show biz life.

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You can see the vault in the following documentaries:

BBC late show 1993
American Composer 2000

These shows were both available on youtube but sadly no more so you will have to search elsewhere.

In the BBC show, you see two guys going down to the vault with lighted helmets on like they are entering a mine. Most odd!
You hear them saying "is this where Frank said it was" as they look at some tapes.
The narrator reports this is just one of 3/4?? underground vaults.

In American Composer we have the pleasure of Joe Travers taking us into the vault where he examines The original Freak Out master tapes and the original WOIIFTM tapes. Very special moment.

From what I've seen including that clip of Frank "laddies and gentlemen, the vault!" it looks pretty big but as Frank recorded nearly every show he ever played he'd need a large place to store those tapes.

Haven't seen the classic albums dvd yet. What's 'welcome to the vault'?


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Maybe an essay writing contest started here on the forums (are you listening Gail?) The winner gets an all expenses paid vacation to California.
A tour of the Zappa domicile and a peek into vault. The essay would be judged by the Zappa family.
Just a thought......
G.C.

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If the armed guards don't get you, then the sharks with lasers attached to their heads surely will.

You do not get in the vault.


Yes, that's why they made it a vault, and not, say, a pagoda.

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feetlightup wrote:
calvin2hikers wrote:
If the armed guards don't get you, then the sharks with lasers attached to their heads surely will.

You do not get in the vault.


Yes, that's why they made it a vault, and not, say, a pagoda.


I've had the shit kicked out of me at many a pagoda. Don't think just becasue they're called pagodas that they're nicey-nice.

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Abe Pagoda?


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The vault was seen in the biography of FZ done on the biography channel and was also seen on a german documentary that was quite informative on the life and included shots of his home life this was on youtube for quite a while. Yes it would be full of treasures that all fans want to hear and see. It must also be a sacred place in the Zappa home.
Why do we not see more of this material? Wish I knew the reason behind it all.

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hello rubenandthejets,

we ARE seeing more of this stuff from the vault:
2007, Buffalo, Dub Room Special!, Wazoo, making of A'/OS dvd, zpz'06dvd
2006 MOFO times 2 (or 4), Trance-Fusion, Imaginary Diseases, aaafnraa tunes
2005 Joe's Xmasage, Dub Room Special! dvd
2004 Joe's Domage, Quaudiophiliac, Joe's Corsage
2003 Halloween dvd-a
2002 FZ:OZ

hours and hours worth

now I feel dirty like an advertisement
<sniff>

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Gail has said that the overiding problem is trying to preserve the tapes, which sadly they have to fund themselves. Dweezil mentioned on a Gibson guitar website that another problem is keeping up with rate of technology being superceded, and having the drives (computer) in the future to interrogate the material. Personally I like Vinyl grooves, that was the longest and probably the media of greatest longevity.

Its a dilemma, as generating an income from music now is quite problematic, especially if you are dead and cannot gig.

There are simply not enough Zappa fans to sustain continual new releases.

There is a radio interview with Gail where she talks about holding back the tide of tape restoration, if someone can find the link inserted in this discussion would be most illustrative. Its the one where some work was jeopardised by the dog having a slash over the tape boxes.

One of my ideas' would be some form of enlightened sponsorship, or a University collaboration, but these things are fraught with anathema, if I recall Zappa and the Peabody ( Princess and the Peabody..good grief)

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Gail has said that the overiding problem is trying to preserve the tapes, which sadly they have to fund themselves. Dweezil mentioned on a Gibson guitar website that another problem is keeping up with rate of technology being superceded, and having the drives (computer) in the future to interrogate the material. Personally I like Vinyl grooves, that was the longest and probably the media of greatest longevity.

Its a dilemma, as generating an income from music now is quite problematic, especially if you are dead and cannot gig.

There are simply not enough Zappa fans to sustain continual new releases.

There is a radio interview with Gail where she talks about holding back the tide of tape restoration, if someone can find the link inserted in this discussion would be most illustrative. Its the one where some work was jeopardised by the dog having a slash over the tape boxes.

One of my ideas' would be some form of enlightened sponsorship, or a University collaboration, but these things are fraught with anathema, if I recall Zappa and the Peabody ( Princess and the Peabody..good grief)

Or if she would just collaborate w/ all these Zappa festivals like Zappanalle and others. There could be some kind of a vault fund raiser, plus the procceds the festivals made, anything to help w/ the releases I dunno.

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