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Mike Scheller says his life is a mess
Fritz Rau says asparagus
Should only be consumed
By people with a large amount
In an unmarked bank account, ou-ou-ou-ou-ount

Shall we take ourselves seriously?
Shall we talk about it all night long?
Shall we think we are so evolved?
Will we be depressed
If we're wrong?

Shall we take ourselves seriously?
Shall we take ourselves elsewhere?
Shall we drink while we squat there
In the middle of this stupid song?

Shall we never go out there?
Shall we take us where we don't belong
When we notice the Spargel is gone?
Shall we weep in the box office dawn
(Go away I'm no good for you)

Are the tickets all counted?
Are the costs all accounted for?
Shall we bring up the Spargel
For discussion at least once more?

Shall we take ourselves seriously?
Shall we think we are so mature?
Shall we be very wrong
At the end of this song?
Yes we will ever more
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.Thanks to Art Tripp for commenting on the queries raised by this topic, well qualified, more than I could possibly have hoped for

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And Frank smashed up a car before in the Monkees show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNJy-OgCzB0&NR=1

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If you got any live pictures of Lowell George Playing Rhythm Guitar and Vocals with The Mothers of Invention please post them. I have never seen any. Most are just group shots and they are just posing.


The Mothers of Invention
The Rock Pile
February 23, 1969
March 24, 1969

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Frank Zappa, Lowell George, AND Art Tripp...


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Not sure when this is, but how many times FZ wore his dungarees outside onstage. Same concert as Wild Man Fischer?
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I believe this show was at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena in the summer of 1968. I'm playing the xylophone in this picture. Larry Fischer may have sung a song or two in that set. But the funniest part was when Elliot Ingber was brought on to sit in with us. Keep in mind that there were probably 20,000 or more in attendance at this huge football stadium, and also that Elliot was known to do a little weed in those days. He walked on stage with his guitar, carrying a tiny little speaker/amplifier. He sat it down and commenced to play. I couldn't even hear it from 20 feet away! The roadies jumped to scramble up some microphones to put in front of his speaker so that the audience could hear it. I don't think Elliot cared one way or the other...

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Miami Popfestival, Gulfstream Park 05-18 1968

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No known photographer, Germany 1968, FZ wearing Leather overcoat that he must have purchased there. I have similar, and a friend of mine has one from the 'Wehrmacht', a Tank Regiment one says he; 'Got Ist Mit Uns' on the Belt buckle. A credit would be most desirable, and a bigger scan off the transparency.

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The 1969 Mothers in Birmingham UK. I believe that this concert may have been organised by Mothers Club of Erdington Birmingham, a famous venue where Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Mighty Baby (twice) have played. This concert I believe where 'Weasels ripped my flesh' was recorded.

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Not The Mothers in 1969, but when FZ went to Europe with the Magic band and to sort out Straight for UK/Eu distribution

FZ jamming with Blossom Toes'.

(To DPDeepi)
How you doing
i remember the shindig pretty well,,
As far as i recall, Frank was at a loose end as ( I believe ) the Mothers
had just disbanded ? and he was really there for the hell of it and to 'loosely'
compere the event, and have a jam with who ever!
We ( the Toes) had by this time, a pretty tight festival set and were well and truly
into it when Frank wandered on!!
to our amazment, he gathered us around him and ( with his back to the crowd!)
suggested to us that we worked on a little idea he'd been toying with !
As the whistles got louder from the bemused crowd(!) after about five minutes :-)
I decided that for the sake of continuity, to crack into a Ben E King up tempo
blues number called Grooving,, that we used to play in the Paris night clubs years before !
there is a live recording of this 'happening" where there is about 5 minutes of me playing
'Bongo' gtr whilst Frank tried to get his guitar fired up!
I'm slightly convinced ,,, :-) that spinal tap was based on this episode !!
Those were definitely the days!
Good luck in your search for footage,, though , I suspect,, it will consist of young, long haired
muso's frowning at their fret boards and wondering what the fuck was going on!
All the best pal' !
Brian Godding


I hope this slight diversion from the Mothers has not weakened your enjoyment of this 'thread', but I thought it best here.

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Looks familiar.......

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And in a Category all for himself
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Here is Art Tripp (and Buzz))

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This must mean Tour of May and June 1969 (see above)
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Found in a copy of Uncle Meat, UK Transatlantic. This is a Concert programme, I assume printed in UK before the 6/6/69 Albert Hall.

Was this programme sold elsewhere on that Tour??

I paid £20, and I think the guy assumed it was the same book as the US copy.
I reckon there was no UK book in the standard UK release.

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It's awesome to get to look at everybody's stuff and memories up here!!

according to this
http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/chronolo ... html#y1966
and this
http://home.swipnet.se/fzshows/60s.htm
and this
http://members.shaw.ca/fz-pomd/giglist/1967.html

of all the 63 confirmed or likely shows for 1968, 17 have found their way into the tape trading and seeding community. They are all of varying sizes and media and quality of reproduction, as always, but also show a continual evolution in those original Mothers.
The 1968 live material is much more represented in the official catalogue than was 1967, with the fantastic 1993 release Ahead Of Their Time recorded in 1968 and there also are a pair of precious (dare I say it?) beat the boots that show a taste of what those Mothers and Frank could do.: Electric Aunt Jemima and Our Man In Nirvana. Pheeewwwwww!!!!!
Here the band stretches out in music and show quite a number of different strings they can weave together and yet, seem to do it different every time. If you like these rhino Fooo-EEEE! releases what follows may be of interest to you: <collated, researched, seeded and fine tuned by the fine folks over at zappateers. Separated into 'tours' for greater understanding; for this edition, thanx amnesiavivace!

1968 ?? ?? Steve Allen Show - FM two recordings exist, sharing some dialogue, but with different music 7min C and 20min A- Crying or Very sad
not available
note: only ninja heavily nr or mp3 versions known - the music parts are only about 7 min

1968 04 20 New York City, NY
Early show - Aud 75min B-
on the tracker: 1968 04 20 Early Fillmore East 73.12 NYC seeded by TheNewGuy 2005-09-24
note: this is supposedly 2nd gen, actually from a rip of a clone of the cdr JN was used to trade, other not heavily nr versions circulated are not different
Late show - Aud 80min B-
on the tracker: 1968 04 20 (L) Fillmore East NYC 78.08 Aud (drew51-flambay) seeded 2007-04-13
note: unknown gen

1968 04 28 Detroit, Mi Early Show - SBD 60min B+ Smile usually listed as 1968 04 10
on the tracker: 1968 04 28 Detroit Mi 57.48 Sbd (av) - aka 68 04 10 seeded 2005-11-14 Q&C Approved
note: unknown generation, this is a speed corrected and retracked rip of a clone of a traded cdr tranferred from (low gen?) tape by someone known in the trading scene as Duke of Prunes

1968 05 03 Denver, CO - SBD 60min A Smile
on the tracker: 1968 05 03 Denver 56.48 SBD 1st gen (Yojimbo) seeded 2005-11-09 Q&C Approved
note: also on the tracker url=http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2903]1968 1968 05 03 Denver CO 58min SBD (BengoFury)[/url], reseeded by noveiro 2005-11-08 - this show is the source for most of the Electric Aunt Jemima BTB

1968 08 03 New York City, NY
Early Show - Aud 65min B+ Crying or Very sad
I include here the full FZShows track list to try to avoid further confusion: w/ "Billy Velvet" from the audience (*). Trouble Every Day, improvisations, Hungry Freaks Daddy, King Kong, improvisations, Son Of Mr Green Genes, My Boyfriend's Back, I'm Gonna Bust His Head, Tiny Sick Tears, Hang On Sloopy*, Wipe Out, Go Cry On Somebody Else's Shoulder, Octandre
not available
note: only ninja heavily nr version known
Late Show ? - There are two recording, with different material, that could possibly be from this show
Tape #1 - Stage 45min B Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation
Previously listed as 1968 ?? ??. This recording also circulate as NYC 1968 08 02, Central Park 1969 08 02 or Montreal 1968 08. I include here the full track list to try to avoid further confusion: Jazz Rock Heavily Influenced By Al Kooper (flute solo), Help I'm A Rock/Transylvania Boogie, Baby Love, Big Leg Emma, Shortly (Holiday In Berlin), Oh No/Orange County Lumber Truck
incomplete versions on the tracker: seeded 2006-06-01 as 1968 08 02 NYC, Central Park 2 tracks 14:49 STAGE (WIU2B) and 2006 09 29 as 1968 08 02 Central Park NY 15.51 Aud (MrUMRK)
note: a longer version of this entry was seeded somewhere by Joe55 (37.01), WIU2B's one has only the first two songs, but has more of Help I'm a Rock, MrUMRK version adds a minute more! - complete fixed seed / reseed needed
Tape #2 - Stage 15min B
I include here the full FZShows track list to try to avoid further confusion: Trouble Every Day, Orange County Lumber Truck Medley
on the tracker : as 1968 08 03?? NYC, Fillmore East 16:32 STAGE (WIU2B) seeded 2006-06-01
note: also available as 1968 08 03 Fillmore East NY 16.24 Aud (MrUMRK) seeded 2006-09-29

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The Mothers 2nd European Tour : September - May 1968
For this tour are known 8 unofficially taped shows (incl. 8 sbd/stage/FM)
Official live recordings:
all of Ahead Of Their Time, some of Mystery Disc, a couple of tracks in Weasels Ripped My Flesh (from the London show is also available some footage in the Uncle Meat and The True Story Of 200 Motels Honker home videos) and some of BTB Electric Aunt Jemima.
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1968 09 28 Essen, Germany - FM 15min A- Smile
on the tracker: 1968 09 28 Essen 15.49 FM (WIU2B) seeded by LudzNL 2006-11-25
note: unknown gen (replaces an older rip of the same tape: 1968 09 28 Essen Germany 16.16 FM (WIU2B) reseeded by LudzNL 2006-09-02 Q&C Approved) - a short video excerpt of this performance can be seen in the 1988's video documentary"Schöne Poesie Is Krampf... " - Internationale Essener Songtage 1968 - DVD PAL (jazzrita) Dime Reseed - a short video of In The Sky, also from Essen (but from a different performance), is available on a short video called 1968 Essener Songtage outtakes - MPEG2 (steef) (low quality)
source note: this is the source for the Electric Aunt Jemima BTB version

1968 10 ?? Worcester - this, that had large circulation among traders, is a mix of the sbd recordings from 1968 10 03 København and 1969 06 05 Portsmouth

1968 10 03 København, Denmark
SBD tape - 60min A-/B+ Exclamation probably from two different shows
incomplete version on the tracker: 1968 10 03 Copenhagen, Denmark 38.36 SBD (walk) seeded 2005-06-15
note: unknown gen - a longer reconding (61.37), has been spreaded in various heavily nr versions by ninja
Aud tape - 85min B-
on the tracker: 1968 10 03 Copenhagen Denmark 86.21 Aud (CU-H-walk) seeded 2005-10-12
note: unknown generation
source note: you can check more details about the København sbd mess here and in both aud and sbd seed threads

1968 10 06 Bremen, Germany - FM 40min A+ Smile from a German TV program, called "Liederliches"
audio on the tracker :
* 1968 10 06 Beat Club Bremen 34.42 1st gen FM (Yojimbo) seeded 2007-01-30
* 1968 10 06 Beat Club Bremen 38.47 1st gen PreFM (xxhoff-unicrayon) seeded 2007-04-29
video on the tracker : 1968 10 06 The Beat Club Bremen West Germany 38.40 Pre Broadcast LPCM (xxhoff-unicrayon) seeded 2007-04-20
note: the video is also available as part of the Video Archive DVD (marcomat), other video and DVD stand-alone versions have been seeded in the past
source note: the video was first broadcasted in 1970 and has a 1970 FZ interview melted in

1968 10 20 Amsterdam, Netherlands - Stage 80min B+ and Aud 100 C Exclamation
on the tracker: 1968 10 20 Amsterdam Netherlands 92.39 stage+aud (bburnett) seeded by jaypfunk 2005-07-31
note: low generation including some of the audience tape, miss the intro only available in the aud tape (heard on some mp3 series) and needs to be speed checked - complete audience tape (for completist only) never seen
source note: this show is the source for a couple of tracks of the Electric Aunt Jemima BTB

1968 10 23 BBC Studios, Uk - FM 30min A+ Smile Exclamation Colour Me Pop TV show
audio on the tracker: 1968 10 23 BBC Studios 28.21 1st gen FM (Yojimbo) seeded 2007-01-27
note: complete videos of the entire material available from this live studio session have circulated (not often in very good quality...), a ten minute extract from the King Kong performance is available in very good quality in the second part of the "BBC Late Show" DVD (reseed needed) - video seed needed

1968 10 25 London, Uk
SBD tape - 25min B+
on the tracker: 1968 10 25 London UK 25.25 SBD (BengoFury) ZTLS#198 pt1 seeded 2006-02-11
note: vinyl rip - as far is known this recording is only available through boots
Aud tape - 45min B+
on the tracker: 1968 10 25 Royal Festival Hall London AUD 44.13 (wildfisherman-pbuzby) seeded 2007-12-10
note: unknown gen
source note: there were two shows that day, they are the source of Ahead Of Their Time, the material on these recordings (different on SBD and Aud) is only partially the same of the released album

1968 10 ?? Tv Studios, France - FM 10min A Exclamation from a tv program called "Forum Musiques", first broadcasted 1968 10 23 - The video has been offcially released in France as bonus DVD track in "Let the sun shine in Hair"
on the tracker only as video: 1968 10 23 Paris, France - Forum Musiques TV Program (B&W) DVD 8.35 (cote9) reseeded from dime by WUGGLYPOO 2006-01-17
note: other video versions had circulated and a very good only-audio version was seeded somewhere by cosmikd (10.15) - "full sample" only audio versions are available: mono version (retracked from old cosmikd seed) and from video

1968 10 26 Paris, France - SBD 50min A+ Smile
on the tracker: 1968 10 26 Paris 50.38 1st gen SBD (Yojimbo) ZTLS #225 pt1 seeded 2006-08-16
note: other versions are available, from a different rip of the same 1st gen tape

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The Mothers with Lowell George : November 1968 - May 1969
For this tour are known 12 unofficially taped shows (incl. 6 sbd/stage)
Official live recordings:
a good number of tracks in disc 1 of YCDTOSA5 and also some in YCDTOSA1 and YCDTOSA4; some numbers are also in Weasels Ripped My Flesh and in the Mystery Disc; BTB Our Man In Nirvana is entirely from the 1968 11 06 show at the Fullerton College in Los Angeles. Some live fragments from this era can also be heard at Zappa.Com as part of "FZ Explains ... The Radio Show"
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1968 11 08 Los Angeles, CA - Stage 70min B+
on the tracker: 1968 11 08 Fullerton CA 71.30 SBD (enggopah) seeded 2005-06-24
note: from traded cdr - doesn't have proper filenames, and has some other little problems that may be fixed...
source note: this is the show of Our Man In Nirvana BTB, two tracks are actually played by Wild Man Fisher

hahahhahahahahahhahahhahhahhahaahahahahaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
will the zft add to this score in '08?
please hear my plea!

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From my scrapbook photo-collection:

Amsterdam Concertgebouw 20-10 1968


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Check my Zappa in the Netherlands scrapbooks:


http://zappa.radio6.nl/frank-zappa-in-n ... plakboeken

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I have a first hand account of the Bristol Concert 3rd June 1969, as he wanted to know why he didn't remember see a concert souvenir programme [my theory is that the book was not ready until the Albert Hall concert]:

""Yes, I enjoyed the booklet.(The Uncle Meat UK Programme) I saw them at the Coulston (sic: Colston) Hall
in Bristol with a school party (the young Maths teacher was
into the Mothers. Very few people turned up and they were
scattered throughout the hall. Frank got everyone to move
to the front. We didn't move because we were in the stalls.

Frank then shocked us all by saying the band weren't going
to do any vocals (because they were 'B' grade). The band
then gave a varied and captivating performance.
It is possible the Maths teacher got a booklet with the
tickets, but I didn't see it.""

As there was so few people, did any of them bring a tape recorder?

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Good old Fritz Rau will be at Zappanale 2008.

Did you read his book, Unica ? I wonder if I should buy it.

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Oct 1969. The Mothers had been disbanded. They were a little too ahead of their time. Judging by the peculiar calender that US magazine production has; I would not be surprised that this issue hit the news stands before the Mothers of Invention learned of their demise

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I have just found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa-oIcpmiIg

Its the 1968 Mothers on French TV programme "Forum Musiques" Oct. 23 1968
TV Studio, Paris, France.

I have not checked but is this the same date the Mothers smashed up the red car what Art Tripp refers to earlier here?

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I am not sure when this photo is, but I believe it's by Jan Persson and claim that its taken in Denmark 1969.

However I think it's earlier, possibly 1968 when the Mothers played Denmark with equipment borrowed from Mick Taylor and John Mayall.

Is FZ wearing the self same clothes seen with Davy Jones in the Monkees film?

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I am not sure when this photo is, but I believe it's by Jan Persson and claim that its taken in Denmark 1969.

However I think it's earlier, possibly 1968 when the Mothers played Denmark with equipment borrowed from Mick Taylor and John Mayall.

Is FZ wearing the self same clothes seen with Davy Jones in the Monkees film?



I have the 1968 Lippmann+Rau tourbook, and this photo by Jan Person is in it, so it must be taken in 1968

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