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 Post subject: great guitar sound
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:16 am 
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i would be cool if some sort of book or video would be released showing how Frank got that great guitar sound.


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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:53 pm 
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There was an issue of Guitar Player (if I remember correctly, I have the issue) from last year with Dweezil in it. He was showing a lot of the gear that he was using for the ZPZ tour. I remember him mentioning that he was using a pedal that Frank used in the early 70s that gave him a very specific tone. So, I'm sure that his pedals and effects had quite a bit to do with it. I have to dig that magazine back out some time.

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 Post subject: re: great guitar sound
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:54 pm 
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umrk tour, guitar world aug-08

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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:35 am 
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That was pretty nice, he really shows it all.


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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:24 pm 
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There's another film I saw. Dweezil is explaining a green ringer circuit built into his dad's guitar. He then illustrates the differences of ordinary guitars with FZ's own whilst fingering his way through Inca Roads.

It's really a great piece of film. But there is so much material stuffed on the internet filed under Frank Zappa; fucked if I know where it is.

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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:35 pm 
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http://truefire.com/gptv/index.html?channel=dweezil&videofile=dweezil/dweezilsnakes

I'm not sure if this is the one you are talking about, but its a nice watch.


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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:07 pm 
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MrMellow wrote:
http://truefire.com/gptv/index.html?channel=dweezil&videofile=dweezil/dweezilsnakes

I'm not sure if this is the one you are talking about, but its a nice watch.


Thats the one Mellow. I knew if I bitched and moaned, then someone with the required stamina to want to know would sniff it out.

Dweezil is not as gifted as his dad, but he seems to know how to work hard.

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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:38 pm 
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coupla nice links there fellas ..
and as yet, an unspoiled thread of goodness :D :o :D

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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
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diplomaticpermissiondeepi wrote:
MrMellow wrote:
http://truefire.com/gptv/index.html?channel=dweezil&videofile=dweezil/dweezilsnakes

I'm not sure if this is the one you are talking about, but its a nice watch.


Thats the one Mellow. I knew if I bitched and moaned, then someone with the required stamina to want to know would sniff it out.

Dweezil is not as gifted as his dad, but he seems to know how to work hard.


That doesn't come close to qualifying as bitching on this forum! Thanks for the Inspiration i found allot of interesting stuff in the process.


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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:46 am 
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Thanks for the inspiration behind the inspiration. I would like a neat easily navigable list of all the pieces of film to do with FZ here at the forum. I would at the very least use this topic to dump any information and in any media about FZ's guitars and sound here. It would be nice if these landmark topics could be made 'sticky' where appropiate. Unica's memorabilia should be sticky, but it has so many followers its always high up in the list. (wish list)

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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
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while looking it some book not long ago the only thing it said about FZ was he used a Wah Wah for tone control.

Frank Zappa extensively used a wah-wah pedal but did not always use it in the conventional way of rocking it back and forth. Zappa often left it set in different positions to get different tones, using it as a filter or distortion device. He also often used the pedal in combination with the acoustic guitar.

Thats what i just found after Google search :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:25 am 
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Yes thats right, I love Franks Wah Wah. listen to the dog breath solo on the Billy the mountain LP, also all the guitar solo's on the KCET TV show really show FZ at his peak using this technique, not to mention his lyrical and melodic phrasing. Let me lapse in a reverie, Montana - Dog Breath variations, Trubble.. and the magnificent Florentine Pogen..tonnes of great stuff. Now that I remember, I gave FZ a Wah Wah pedal during turning again at Mannheim 88. There is a photo of it somewhere on my flickr account.


http://www.killuglyradio.com/tracks/FZ-BognorRegis.mp3

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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
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Nice i don't think i heard that song before.Thanks
I can't find the photo on fliker,don't you have too accounts on there?
cant think of FZ using Wah on Acoustic from my post neither.

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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
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Nice i don't think i heard that song before.Thanks
I can't find the photo on fliker,don't you have too accounts on there?
cant think of FZ using Wah on Acoustic from my post neither.



I hope you can see it here. Testing:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/365 ... 3269_o.jpg

a better, more informative link:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24959568@N04/3653142635/

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Nice
Can you recall what FZ had to say?

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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
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He just carried on after 'Jimi come back resurrect with your wah wah' he and the band continued on without missing a beat - but the band were more taken aback than him, as you can see with Ike Willis' expression.

I met FZ a few days later after the Rome gig (concert)

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Sounds like a droped line from We're Turning Again-FZMTMOP :shock:
What was meeting Him Like :cry:

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cleon wrote:
Sounds like a droped line from We're Turning Again-FZMTMOP :shock:
What was meeting Him Like :cry:


It was a highlight in my then young-ish life. I met him a few days later in Genoa - the last gig unbeknowest to all.

The impending lyric in that 'sad' song about dead musicians was the reason why the Wah Wah was offered.

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diplomaticpermissiondeepi wrote:
Yes thats right, I love Franks Wah Wah. listen to the dog breath solo on the Billy the mountain LP, also all the guitar solo's on the KCET TV show really show FZ at his peak using this technique, not to mention his lyrical and melodic phrasing. Let me lapse in a reverie, Montana - Dog Breath variations, Trubble.. and the magnificent Florentine Pogen..tonnes of great stuff. Now that I remember, I gave FZ a Wah Wah pedal during turning again at Mannheim 88. There is a photo of it somewhere on my flickr account.


http://www.killuglyradio.com/tracks/FZ-BognorRegis.mp3


Which album does this song appear on?


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http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/songs/Bognor_Regis.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N8TcJkCxkU
Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown - Song For Renee
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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
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diplomaticpermissiondeepi wrote:
Yes thats right, I love Franks Wah Wah. listen to the dog breath solo on the Billy the mountain LP, also all the guitar solo's on the KCET TV show really show FZ at his peak using this technique, not to mention his lyrical and melodic phrasing. Let me lapse in a reverie, Montana - Dog Breath variations, Trubble.. and the magnificent Florentine Pogen..tonnes of great stuff. Now that I remember, I gave FZ a Wah Wah pedal during turning again at Mannheim 88. There is a photo of it somewhere on my flickr account.


http://www.killuglyradio.com/tracks/FZ-BognorRegis.mp3


Which album does this song appear on?


Dear Plook,

First - I have a cat called Flook. That great FZ solo on Dog Breath is on 'Just another band from LA'. The Bognor Regis track came from an Acetate given to the famous DJ Jeff Dexter after FZ wanted to hear it on the PA at the Roundhouse in London. This must have been when Frank and his family were staying in Notting Hill for the 200 Motels movie. I met Jeff Dexter last week, and he assures me he has a tape of the acetate, as he sold the disc to Andrew Sclanders a Beatnik ephemera dealer. There was his account published in Jazzwise a UK publication, which I'm sure slime can find a link for it. Jeff assures me that he has tried to contact Gail or where necessary so the music be considered for consumption - which it should be, as it's great.

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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
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diplomaticpermissiondeepi wrote:
Plook wrote:
diplomaticpermissiondeepi wrote:
Yes thats right, I love Franks Wah Wah. listen to the dog breath solo on the Billy the mountain LP, also all the guitar solo's on the KCET TV show really show FZ at his peak using this technique, not to mention his lyrical and melodic phrasing. Let me lapse in a reverie, Montana - Dog Breath variations, Trubble.. and the magnificent Florentine Pogen..tonnes of great stuff. Now that I remember, I gave FZ a Wah Wah pedal during turning again at Mannheim 88. There is a photo of it somewhere on my flickr account.


http://www.killuglyradio.com/tracks/FZ-BognorRegis.mp3


Which album does this song appear on?


Dear Plook,

First - I have a cat called Flook. That great FZ solo on Dog Breath is on 'Just another band from LA'. The Bognor Regis track came from an Acetate given to the famous DJ Jeff Dexter after FZ wanted to hear it on the PA at the Roundhouse in London. This must have been when Frank and his family were staying in Notting Hill for the 200 Motels movie. I met Jeff Dexter last week, and he assures me he has a tape of the acetate, as he sold the disc to Andrew Sclanders a Beatnik ephemera dealer. There was his account published in Jazzwise a UK publication, which I'm sure slime can find a link for it. Jeff assures me that he has tried to contact Gail or where necessary so the music be considered for consumption - which it should be, as its great.



Thank you very much for your complete and intelligent explanation, its appreciated, give Flook a scratch on the head for me.


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 Post subject: Re: great guitar sound
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For more details of the Bognor Regis acetate, at the moment this is the best I can do :

http://www.jazzwise.com/catalog/product ... jam53jk8p1


Its a nice cover - I believe FZ is with none other than Bird Reynolds. Not familiar with this photograph.

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Thanks Slime. To the rescue as always.

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