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What is the deal with Ike and ZPZ? He would be awesome singing and trading licks with Dweezil.

Why is this not happening?

Gail and Ike aren't buds. They're really not buds at all. Non-buds, they be.

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Just read on another thread that Ike is doing a short west coast tour with Pojama People this September. Playing in some little bars in Nor Cal, Oregon and Washington. I might have to check this out if I can fit it in.

drama!

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Who's this dude with his hair straight back?
His new white socks, 'n his pants all black
His T-shirts rolled His watch is gold
A '55 Chevy that his brother just stoled

I still say money...if the money is there they bury the hatchet and all is forgiven.

ZAPPA PLAYS ZAPPA
EUGENE OREGON
MCDONALD THEATRE
NOVEMBER 28, 2009

Ike Willis and Pojama People in Portland Sept. 16, 2009

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And, this is one reason you won't be seeing Ike anytime soon in ZPZ.

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im sure trendy has something to say about this...

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Who's this dude with his hair straight back?
His new white socks, 'n his pants all black
His T-shirts rolled His watch is gold
A '55 Chevy that his brother just stoled

Probably but I'd rather not hear it.

In my opinion Dweezil should invite Ike to perform with the band, even just a one off. I'm sure Frank would agree!

All it will take is MONEY

You're probably right, we should have a whip round for Ike then he can pay his way in.

Money? I doubt it. Trust me, Ike doesn't make shit for money, especially when playing with Pojama People. I have actually come to respect Ike for this. The Pojama People shows are dirt cheap, practically free. It doesn't seem like he is a greedy, money hungry asshole like some are.

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I agree. I don't think money is the issue. Either way. Sure Ike would make more money if Gail was willing to bring Ike onboard, but she ain't. She's not going to be doing Ike any favors from what I can tell. And ZPZ isn't going to significantly increase their appeal by bringing Ike in. Ike isn't Vai or Bozzio who both have significant fan bases outside of the Zappa Universe (especially Vai).

If enough money is on the table it will happen (think Shaun Connery, Eagles,…etc), if Ike doesn't want the money I am sure he could donate it to the different bands he plays with around the world to help them make ends meet. Yes it would take more than adding Ike as I originally said they could bring in Ike and 2 or 3 other alumni and probably get a tour larger than the 1st one. It would do well...larger venues, live album, DVD, and sales for all things Zappa and those on the tour would benefit. It is a win, win, win…win for ZFT, win for alumni, and a win for the fans. If everyone gets on the money page everyone wins, God I love America…

Did Ike play with ZPZ in the past?

Personally speaking I have never been excited about ZPZ, as I saw FZ in 1988 a number of times. In general I think its a good thing. As flawed as ZPZ with no FZ is - there is a demand for these concerts to lots of music fans who never had the chance to know who FZ was. My sister was knocked out by ZPZ in Birmingham UK, but she never went to any of FZ's concerts.

I think Ike is a tremendous singer, he was grateful when FZ let him play one or 2 solos in Italy when I met him. ZPZ lacks a certain authenticity which an old band member like Ike can give. He is a vital missing ingredient.

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He's a CEO for Chrissakes!

OK. I see what you're saying but I still don't see it happening. A fully endorsed all-star alumni augmented zpz would be interesting but I still say highly unlikely. I think the key to keeping the music alive is in the youngbloods that are in zpz.

Dude you have a right to your opinion but you sound like that guy in the Woody Allen movie Annie Hall who is talking in line like he has some authoritative control over how artist are perceived...And I am here to tell you I saw FZ (4) times and ZPZ is right there musically and a lot of fans seem to agree, so either your one of those who can’t accept the quality of what your hearing or the shows you saw were off nights. The only aspect missing from the ZPZ concert is the non musical “variety show ” feel that FZ concerts had, but DZ seems to be trying to capture that more and more and with time they will get it I am sure. The odd thing is I saw DZ at SLIMS in 2003 and the show had that aspect, so did the TV show Happy Hour, that tells me he must be focusing so hard on the music the other things will have to follow, and we can’t blame DZ for that. Can we?

I am not the fellow in the Woody Allen film. I have qualified my personal view with the statement that I think in general, for the reasons previous the concept of ZPZ is a good thing. But it's not for me. I have not seen ZPZ - although I was in the lobby of a theatre at a UK gig, so I did hear the band. Sadly I only saw FZ on the last Euro leg of the 1988 tour. If that (and I didn't know until the last few dates) was the last throes of a terminally ill band, then it was pretty good.

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He's a CEO for Chrissakes!

Fair enough and to answer the question, no Ike has not performed in ZPZ (although almost all of us wish he would). As to ZPZ, you are really missing possible one of the most talented acts out there. I do not speak alone here, I have actually taken several young people to their shows and they are awestruck by the talent and FZ's music. I have also taken FZ fans who did not know about this band and they are completely dedicated to seeing them when they come around. Personally it takes me back to a simpler time and I get the concert thrill I used to get when I was young, and I am currently 3 days from a show I have tickets for and completely stoked!

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"the ike willis/pp thread has been deep-6'd, along with all the recent spam threads.."


Dang...


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thanks for the comments. interesting....

I don't know I'm kind of disappointed in Ike. He could have gone off and done his thing and then gotten a call from ZPZ but instead he is just whoring around I guess. It's too bad. I would be interested to hear his point of view though.

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Maybe he's just sticking to his guns and feels he has a right to do what he is doing. From what I have read he's not doing anything illegal. Not to bash the current ZPZ vocalist but I'd much rather see Ike, Ray, Napolean, Adrian, Flo and Eddie, or Robert Martin in that slot.