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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:28 am 
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none of understand why. at least you can pre-order baby snakes from amazon. :-/. i'd like some cds though.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:59 am 
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They should be tired of hearing this arguments...<br><br>The sad thing is that they started ok with OZ...<br>not the best band, not the best show but that was the right direction. <br>One year ago I was happy because I was foolishly expecting a couple of those releases from the vault each year...<br>Instead we got the uncomprehensible Halloween DVD (a DTS promo more than an album) and now this DVD re-releasing WITH NOTHING ADDED to the VHS version!!!!<br><br>How much does it take to put together a vaulternative release????

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:02 am 
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I agree Unica brother.<br>Seems Gail has let the boots take over.<br>I have anything they can release, so why buy it?<br>And at outrageous prices. I'm one of THE DEDICATED on FZ:OZ.....I don't think I'll take a chance, pay for it and not receive it for 7 months.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 5:37 pm 
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Personally, I want a rare line-up. Doesn't have to be the best band, or the best show. But it shouldn't be a show that needs a section of an audience boot spliced in. Is this quality FZ would approve of? :(<br>   Seems Gail is just expecting too much cash for the material. FZ:OZ set me back nearly 40 bucks. What can we expect to pay for the OLD MATERIAL new DVD???<br>  I already have BABY SNAKES on VCD. And if this new release doesn't have anything new....I'm not buying it. >:(

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:50 pm 
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that's right! anyways Baby Snakes is not exactly the greatest thng Zappa ever did, izzit? When did 'Does Humor Belong' become illegal? that would seem strictly impossible. it never was in it's author's lifetime. I have passed on some really interesting items in the past year or so, with the idea that it's a boot or even it's PROBABLY one; with the situation as it is, I'm beginning to regret this scruplulousness on my part, it is not going to be difficult to release material from an artist of such incredible proliferance; it's either lazy or indicates a level of greed holding back any and all, then charging preposterous money... Frank Zappa never felt like he was rich, particularly because he had expenses, IE continuing to do music. Wh;ich was quite expensive at the time. I can tell you it's not nearly as costly nowadays with the tecnology; for instance: Halloween which is good, but given the source(s), the one concert (which is very thinly represented on this disc) was a FOUR and a half hour show; note that in the liner notes it ws done "by DZ and Joe T WITH FRED MAHER IN NUENDO. this means: the mastering and much of the audio pre-master was done using a program. IE: a CD-R, which costs around $2,300, and cuts the costs of  music production down to a tiny fraction of what a purely hardware-based studio cost to work in, IN THE DAY; meaning ten or more yrs ago. There is no real excuse for no product other than no desire, or the desire to exploit the demand TO THE MAX. [His heirs have no such expenses, apparently intend on keeping this status quo, and are enjoying a sort of wealth that to me does not seem proper. Not when there is a demand that is being willfully ignored. And appears now to  be lied about.]


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:33 am 
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How long do they think we'll stay in this pit waiting for scraps to be thrown down to us???

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[quote author=trendm0nger link=board=wishList;num=1067423663;start=15#15 date=11/12/03 at 06:33:06]How long do they think we'll stay in this pit waiting for scraps to be thrown down to us???[/quote]<br>i know i'll stay a while feeding on scraps is a challenge

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:26 am 
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well, have fun swallowing the expensive BABY SNAKES DVD.....it's already been chewed up for ya. Nothing new on the DVD........NO EXTRAS!!<br>  Seems some extras would have been an easy option. My VCD will do me fine.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:37 am 
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TOUCHE' Unica!!!<br>Seems ZFT has forgot the importance of the Zappa fan. :-/

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Click the following link and you will know why. they just don't really seem to care. they are spending the ZFT $$$ on this kinda crap instead of putting back into the biz like Frank did. But, they don't have to do that like he had to. They already got their $40,000,000 from RYKO and can live freely for a long time on it if not forever.   <br>When and if that $$$ runs out I am sure you'll see them releasing shit like crazy fucks!!<br>  <br>http://www.bubblestheartist.com/owners/owner2.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:17 am 
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interesting link Funk.<br>  This proves they are still alive, I guess. But do they hear us??

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[quote author=jaypfunk link=board=wishList;num=1067423663;start=15#20 date=11/13/03 at 12:48:03]Click the following link and you will know why. they just don't really seem to care. they are spending the ZFT $$$ on this kinda crap instead of putting back into the biz like Frank did. But, they don't have to do that like he had to. They already got their $40,000,000 from RYKO and can live freely for a long time on it if not forever.   <br>When and if that $$$ runs out I am sure you'll see them releasing shit like crazy fucks!!<br>  <br>http://www.bubblestheartist.com/owners/owner2.htm [/quote]<br><br>NO they don't hear us judging by the lack of releases over the last 10 years. baby snakes on DVD? big deal... it's just a transfer from the vhs tapes and still has the Gerry Fialka stuff from 1988 at the end of it. he hasn't worked for barfko in a long ass time! I don't get the ZFT's thinking.  ::)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:04 pm 
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JEEZ!!<br><br>We have a VHS transfer!!!!  Everyone does!!!!<br>So now we buy one.....just 'cause Gail says it's a NEW Zappa release?<br><br>  I bought all the VHS tapes from Barfko....NO PROBLEM!!! LOVE 'EM!!<br><br> When I buy a VHS tape....it's great...and when the DVD get released, I'm glad because they always have extras, right???<br><br>I mean, that's the only reason to buy it.<br><br>So......uh, HEY GAIL!!!!  Wasn't anything else recorded back then???....you know, for the Halloween 78 show. The show for the Baby Snakes release.....GAIL!!!???<br><br>It's only normal people asking for something normal.....EXTRAS ON THE DVD!!!!

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Whiner??<br>Not even close.....I don't know if you were around when FZ was releasing through Barfko, Flycoon, but we were used to 3 releases a year. Do you remember those days???  must not.<br><br>FZ treated the Zappa fan far better than ZFT has tried. TRIED!!! HA!!!<br><br>"I'm not satisfied, everything I've tried, I don't like the way ZFT has been abusing me"<br><br>3 a year please.....no whine, just cheese

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[quote author=trendm0nger link=board=wishList;num=1067423663;start=15#28 date=11/14/03 at 11:56:48]Whiner??<br>Not even close.....I don't know if you were around when FZ was releasing through Barfko, Flycoon, but we were used to 3 releases a year. Do you remember those days???  must not.<br><br>FZ treated the Zappa fan far better than ZFT has tried. TRIED!!! HA!!!<br><br>"I'm not satisfied, everything I've tried, I don't like the way ZFT has been abusing me"<br><br>3 a year please.....no whine, just cheese[/quote]<br><br>Yep all true... if FZ was still here... well... you know!<br><br>ZFT = Got the RYKO $$$.... don't give a fuck!<br>

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 8:38 am 
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You got it Unica!!<br>Over here in the states....noone appreciates his extreme musical talents.<br><br>  The fans that suffer the most are the fans like us, Unica. We've listened to FZ most of our long, hairly lives.<br><br>FZ said, "I'm a confirmed capitolist."<br><br>and the trend ZFT has taken is to strangle us off.<br>Not the path Frank would want the Family Trust to tread.<br><br>Pay No Mind to the others here, Unica.....just because some of them have a title of 'lord' or whatever...... it doesn't mean they know anything about FZ, and the vicious attitude they choose, shows they probably aren't old enough to have seen FZ play live. Like you and I have.

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IMO, if the Zappa family had any respect for Frank, they would have released all the completed yet un-released albums after his death, whether or not how profitable they deem these releases to be.   <br><br>I believe these releases would have included....<br><br>"Trance-Fusion" <br>"Dance Me This" <br>"The Rage and The Fury" - works of Edgard Varese  <br>"Lost Episodes II"<br><br>and as another poster mentioned, there are some others in the cans (that were perhaps discovered and mixed after his death)....<br><br>a live Grand Wazoo release, two completed Petit Wazoo CDs, and, but, also, a new, new, new batch of Beat The Boots. <br>  <br>And of course, the ROXY DVD which we were teased about, and all the other VHS videos that should be available on DVD.<br><br>It's now 10 years later, and we're still waiting on all the above releases.   As other have mentioned, we're not getting any younger, and my interest in these releases is decreasing each year.  I'm sure there are some fans who were 60 back in 1993, and maybe now that they're 70 years old they no longer care about FZ or buying new music.<br><br>I'm 31 and I'm already losing interest as each year passes, especially with all the teasing.   And then I feel like I should buy the Baby Snakes DVD to support the ZFT in hopes of more future releases that I'm interested in.  But forget it, I don't want Baby Snakes, so I'm not going to buy it.<br>


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