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I know therapy is a way of life for US folks but this side of the pond it isn't a mainstream thing. Most people deal with their shit themselves or at least learn to bury it away out of site.
I have my own shit and I've observed therapist types love to try and get into your head and sell you this idea that everything is better out in the open and until you confront your shit you will not be a complete person.
Well I say what a load of bullshit. My shit makes me who I am today and no amount of opening up and dragging out my demons for all to observe is going to make me a more complete person. If anything, I like keeping my demons caged, you never know when you might need to use them.

You're kidding! There are so many local references, injokes, musical quotes, musical and cultural satires, politcal asides, etc. that it would be easier to pick a song where this isn't relevant. Sure, you can enjoy the music without knowing all this stuff and when I first started listening to Zappa over 30 years ago I didn't understand all the references - I just liked the way the music sounded and liked the humor. But doesn't it make it more interesting if you know the story behind, say, Let's Make the Water Turn Black or even Stevie's Spanking. Learning who Edgar Varese was and what his music sounds like (and even how Frank came to hear him for the first time) makes you view Frank's music differently than if you had no knowledge of that influence. Same thing with Stravinsky, Johnny "Guitar" Watson, and Guitar Slim. Oh, so he really liked Lenny Bruce. He's a lapsed Catholic. His sole purpose in going to Junior College was to look for 'loose grunt". The Studio Z years, The Log Cabin. It's all part of the story.

No, this thread is about Moon's dislike for her mother. I know all about that stuff. I'm speaking specifically to this thread. Where is that relevant to his music? Why do people need to know what Moon thinks of her mother?

That's a valid viewpoint, but here is another. I was in therapy for three years due to depression. In therapy, I learned new coping strategies and how better to deal with anger and stress. I learned to forgive myself and others for real and perceived transgressions. Therapy helped me answer many questions by teaching me how to dig deep and find possible answers. I stopped therapy a few months ago because I feel that I have learned enough to do the digging and answer my questions on my own.

As you can maybe tell by my screen name, I'm not a fan of black & white, right or wrong arguments. I'm not a fan of sweeping generalizations either. Not all therapy is beneficial, but not all therapy is bollocks, either.

I used to keep my demons caged and called upon them quite often. But I finally grew tired of cleaning their feces out of their cages. Uncaging the demons has worked for me. Your mileage may vary.

I think you are all way to protective of Frank. Where does it say that Moon dislikes her mom?

I'm glad it worked for you and has given a positive result. It is clear that for some people it is a good solution but my issue is with people who love to dig around in other peoples heads. My observation, and I'm talking about people digging around in my head, is they get some ego boost by pointing out stuff they think you do not know and if you do not want to talk about something then you are accused of having issues and not facing them. My point is that life is not all a bed of roses and our bad experiences are not necessarily bad lessons of no purpose. I accept some people deal with things better than others though.

I think you are all way to protective of Frank. Where does it say that Moon dislikes her mom?

[Maybe dislikes is the wrong word. But I'm not sure she would have written all that if everything was completely rosy.

And as far as Frank, you've mistaken me for somebody else. Great musician. Other than that? I don't really care.

I love game shows and I'm on a game show forum. Did you know Bob Barker was a total asshole behind the scenes? And I don't care. I really liked the Price Is Right when he was host. It's the same thing. Regardless of what Moon thinks of her mother, it has nothing to do with the music.

I'll take you at your word Calvin, but methinks that most of us, Zappa fans and non-Zappa fans alike, like to know some of the behind the scenes stuff. I don't know if you're a football fan or not, but do you have no opinion or interest in the Michael Vick case? Does Obamas' former spiritual advisor affect how you view him? We are all flawed and I get called on my flaws in my personal life and at the workplace even though I almost always have good intentions, so I give people alot of slack for their mistakes. Including those cases listed above. Life ain't easy sometimes.

Too become too obsessed with the minutiae is not healthy or productive but it's only natural to have some interest. The fact that we're on this forum and this thread has lasted so long is probably proof of that.

Bob Barker an asshole, huh? Interesting. I was never a Price Is Right fan but I remember him all the way back to Truth or Consequences. That was a good show.

Were you able to finish it, man I thought that thing was terrible. Although I would not say it was an outright lie, it just seemed embellished. I have a good Crap Detector and it usually works when looking at a person while they speak, but it was going off as I was reading this book.

Did anyone here not suspect that Frank had some kind of arrangement with GZ that allowed him his sexual conquests or whatever it was for him. Hell you would have to be a fool not to at least pick up on it in the song lyrics, we all knew something was up right? So who was surprised, it’s the fact that MZ is pointing it out on her terms and in her words that makes me believe it is probably erroneous as compared to how it actually worked.

I guess you've never seen the Dutch documentary. Basically, he caroused on the road and treated it as a normal occurrence. I don't think there was any agreement.

Wasn't there a lot of free sex going on when they lived in that group house??? Didn't some friend of theirs who pretty much fucked all the Rock Stars have sex with FZ condoned by GZ (and make a plaster cast of his penis). If he had a groupie whore in the basemen and GZ stayed around there was some kind of spoken or unspoken agreement. I know my wife be outta here if I had a gal in the basement and her friend had a plaster cast of my rock hard dick.

Writing about your personal issues can be cathartic. Publishing them may not be wise. Perhaps it would be better to burn them. Further down the road she may regret what she has written.

I agree she sounds like she is in transition, and what seemed right during a metamorphosis may not be how one feels when the change is complete.

I guess you've never seen the Dutch documentary. Basically, he caroused on the road and treated it as a normal occurrence. I don't think there was any agreement.

Aren't we all in constant transition? Isn't evolution all about evolving?
When it rains it pours.You are what you is. M.U.Zappa to.

Yes Kiirk life is a constant metamorphosis of change, but some of the changes are supposedly completed...i.e. the person in a mental Hospital is released, the prisoner is paroled, the alcoholic no longer drinks, the drug abuser stops using, the marriage counselor no longer see’s the couple, and the Therapist takes you off medication and you no longer go to sessions. These things happen every day and these people’s lives go on to new changes and metamorphosis’s, it sounds to me that MZ has not yet become a butterfly that can rise above her past demons, whatever their cause real or imagined.

yea, sure thing there, Dr. Pill