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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:10 am 
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It reminds me of roaches scrambling out of the kitchen when the lights come on...

The stupid thing about this is that normal, balanced, loving people have to state the obvious - child abuse is vile.

I'm sorry about your experiences growing up with a "bad seed".

But what's really upsetting is your persistent hint that the government should start weeding out people based on supposed "genetic markers" for pedophilia. That's a totally Nazi idea, which fits scarily with the imagery in the quote above. You know - the propaganda films that juxtaposed images of rats, cockroaches and Jews.

Are we talking about the FINAL SOLUTION to the pedophile problem?

What next?



I never said that…people asked if a pedophile could be cured, I suggested only if it was discovered to be genetic that maybe then they could cure them…otherwise the behavior is so deep seated in their anti social (sociopathic) behavior that it would not. No one has ever claimed to be able to curb this behavior in any way, it is actually the opposite they are so well hidden and seem to have long criminal histories before they get caught. At that point their whole life is a façade set up to find ways to commit violent crimes against easily targeted weaker human beings.

I went on to suggest that anyone who thought the government may try to some how “expunge” these people are not being realistic. The reason being that all sorts of deformities have been identified and sometimes before birth and yet people with disabilities are living longer better lives in greater numbers than ever in history. That works strongly against any theory of weeding anyone out.

What twisting of words you made of my “cock roaches” comment my friend, the cock roaches are those who keep suggesting that it is somehow ok for old men to have sex with very young teenage girls, they now have diverted this conversation to genetics and no longer seem to be able to sustain the argument that age of consent is arbitrary and old men should be having sex with girls as young as 13 years old and it would somehow be justified, a lot of those same people thought somehow there was a logical explanation for a twice convicted sex offender who is 68 tears old to have had sex with a child under 14…yuk.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:20 am 
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One thing I am pretty sure, as of today, there is no such a thing as a genetic marker for pedophile behaviour. And even if there were, they would not be guarantee that someone would become a pedophile for bearing it on his/her genotype.

Once I saw an argument being put forward about Mozart. He had several mild deviations of behaviour (coprolalia = tendency to talk about feces and other excrements; ecolalia=repeating words or sentences again and again uncontrollably; and other idiosyncrasies that were caricatured on the Amadeus movie). Was he to be born on our potential transhumanist/eugenist futchum and if his embryo was to be screened in a GATTACA-like fashion (I once more suggest everyone intereste in this Nature-Nurture debate to watch this Hollywood movie, GATTACA), maybe we would not have Mozart's oeuvre around, and thus no Mozart Ballet for the MOI...



Great point Mr.GG, you pick two movies I really enjoy, the seldom seen GATTACA held up a similar point made in Rocky IV and one of my strongest beliefs, that for any given task the manufactured or scientifically sculpted person or team will never be the equivalent of the person or group who are using raw talent and heart. As bad as those who cipher and calculate think that a formulated system is the best, there will always be Cinderella’s that somehow over come and beat the odds, no matter what obstacles are in front of them.

Also Amadeus is definitely in my all time top 20 films, I try and watch it at least once a year...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:27 am 
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Amadeus is a bunch of gobbidy-gook. I loved it until I studied musicology and got my facts straight about the man. Now it's offensive to both Mozart and Salieri, besides being free from facts.
And the play is better. I read it in high school.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:02 am 
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Amadeus is a bunch of gobbidy-gook. I loved it until I studied musicology and got my facts straight about the man. Now it's offensive to both Mozart and Salieri, besides being free from facts.
And the play is better. I read it in high school.



But it's an excellent well written Drama, with Oscar nominated acting...I never take seriously these historical rewrites, they are entertainment.

Anonymous is excellent if you like good period piece dramas, the story line that Shakespeare never wrote any of his plays that someone else wrote them and he took the credit since the actual writer had to remain Anonymous (8 Plooks out of 10).

Some other great dramas all 10 Plookers);

Joy Luck Club (maybe one of the best scripts ever written)
Pride & the Prejudice
The Last Emperor
Sense & Sensibility
Memoirs of a Geisha


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A 68 year old man messing with a 14 year old girl is wrong.

Doesnt mean you have to stop listening to the tracks he played on.

Wagner was an anti semite and inspired the nazis, doesnt mean his music isnt good.

How many of you would be making excuses if you walked in on a 68 year old and a 14 year old doing it. Would you stand there and theorise about the rights and wrongs of the act or would you tell the dirty old fuk to stop?

Really some of you people need to stop making excuse for the bloke because he was once a member of the Mothers.


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If he did get killed by another inmate would we hear about it via the media?
I don't mean "Ex-Zappa Bass player murdered in Jail". But would it get out that he had died?
I guess my question is general but Roy's case is more unique because of his professional career.

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If he did get killed by another inmate would we hear about it via the media?
I don't mean "Ex-Zappa Bass player murdered in Jail". But would it get out that he had died?
I guess my question is general but Roy's case is more unique because of his professional career.


Since Jimmy Carl Black's passing was important enough to be picked up by the press, you can safely assume that Estrada's death will also be noticed by the media; and if that happens, we'll probably also find out what of.

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If he did get killed by another inmate would we hear about it via the media?
I don't mean "Ex-Zappa Bass player murdered in Jail". But would it get out that he had died?
I guess my question is general but Roy's case is more unique because of his professional career.


Since Jimmy Carl Black's passing was important enough to be picked up by the press, you can safely assume that Estrada's death will also be noticed by the media; and if that happens, we'll probably also find out what of.



If he were killed in jail it would certainly make the news regardless of who he is as stories of murdered inmates are regularly reported (at least in California and sometimes nationally). The fact that he has a claim to fame would almost guarantee it, it would depend on the type of News Day was taking place, slow day big play…busy day, maybe no play…

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thenoisydrum wrote:
If he did get killed by another inmate would we hear about it via the media?
I don't mean "Ex-Zappa Bass player murdered in Jail". But would it get out that he had died?
I guess my question is general but Roy's case is more unique because of his professional career.

We might find out he died,but unless it's a spectacular death,we won't know how he died until the coroner's report comes out a few weeks later.I agree with Plook about CA..The news here always has a prison spot,depending on the news day,that announces that stuff.Busy news day....nothing....quiet news day,you betcha'.Prisons are big business in CA.,so is news about them.(were trying to out source prisons to WY.NV.as I type) :roll: So it would get out and we'd hear about his death.I can see the headlines now: Mother gets raped and killed in prison! Details at 11:00.
Short eyes don't last long in prison,so we should know within a year or two. :evil:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:38 am 
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The "If she were my daughter..."-part on Brown Shoes Don't Make It, just got another meaning. :cry:

Well, I guess you should make a difference between the artist and the private person. Even though child molesters are the lowest of the lowest, Estradas contributions to Zappas albums are forever great. I mean, his high pitch falsetto is a signature on the early Mothers discs.


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