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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:00 am 
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So with your logic we have to many cars, last I looked many more people are killed in car wrecks yearly than guns, so why not ban cars? So when you want to kill a mass of people fill the car with explosives or not and drive into a crowd and kill many

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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You can't hide a car in your pocket or under your coat to rob a bank or shoot up a school.


Ironically, it's more difficult and requires more paperwork and registrations to obtain cars than it is guns.


Also, there have been only two high profile instances within the United States where cars will loaded with explosives ad used to for mass murders. The first WTC bombing and Oklahoma City. Both insances were carried out by organized terrorist groups, not individuals.


The cars versus guns debate is an old loser that is frequently used by anti-gun control advocates.

Another way to look at it is that cars are neessary for everyday life. Guns aren't.

Finally, there are far more instances of guns being used with the intent to kill large groups of people than cars being used for the intentto kill people.


Consider this another debunked myth by gun advocates.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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Hell , I'm still waiting for the list of names of those TENS OF MILLIONS OF GUN RELATED DEATHS that happen compared to when a car bomb explodes . :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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calvin2hikers wrote:
Has anybody referenced this site yet?

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

Covers a lot of ground.


That pretty much sums it up.

Thank you.

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Hell , I'm still waiting for the list of names of those TENS OF MILLIONS OF GUN RELATED DEATHS that happen compared to when a car bomb explodes . :lol: :lol:


No More Excuses

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I think you're going to be waiting a very long time... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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i'm not trying to justify guns by pointing out the fact that cars kill more people than guns. Again by your logic that you can't hide a car in your coat shows how much more dangerous and lethal a car is.Sometimes you can see it coming or maybe not, but they are much more available,even to an adolescent,more discrete, just like they are used in iraq ,iran, and any where. So to further my point you need to get a grip,but then we know now that you have been Issac all along, now be .careful when you cross the road. Think a little let's say no body has a gun, ya think that will keep some nut job from mass murder? Don't forget to take the keys out of your car.

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So Spacebrother is Isaac AND Disco Boy??

Diabolical.


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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
i'm not trying to justify guns by pointing out the fact that cars kill more people than guns. Again by your logic that you can't hide a car in your coat shows how much more dangerous and lethal a car is.


Ok. I'll play along...

True, more people die from car accidents than gun accidents. Also true, more people die from gun homicides than vehicular homicide.

BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Sometimes you can see it coming or maybe not, but they are much more available,even to an adolescent,more discrete, just like they are used in iraq ,iran, and any where.


Ae you talking guns or cars? I don't undserstand the point you are trying to make with this sentence. This sentence looks like a drunk person typed it.

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So to further my point you need to get a grip,but then we know now that you have been Issac all along, now be .careful when you cross the road.


You want to add to the pot?

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Think a little let's say no body has a gun, ya think that will keep some nut job from mass murder? Don't forget to take the keys out of your car.


I'll refer you to a pro-gun advocates statment regarding the use of cars versus guns argument ----------> http://www.philipbrewer.net/2012/07/23/ ... rsus-cars/

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I’m one of those annoying people who always responds to any suggestion that we “do something” about gun violence or terrorism by pointing out that we allow 40,000 motor vehicle deaths per year, and that maybe we should do something about that problem first.

I don’t do this for tactical reasons. (I recognize that, as a tactic, this argument is a dead loser.)



...but I suppose that now you'll suddenly say that a pro-gun advocate is wrong, right? :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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Who doesn't believe that there are tens of millions of gun related casualties?...

Here's one source.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/onl ... lty.htm#t7


Over 14 million in Vietnam alone. So much for that pathetic argument.

WWII -

http://www.archives.gov/research/arc/ww ... asualties/

You guys do realise that when I said tens of millions, that that was a conservative estimate, right?



If you're going to argue gun facts with me, you might want to brush up on gun history first. Here's a good place to start...

http://armscollectors.com/gunhistorydates.htm





One more point I'll address in this post...

Several posts back in this thread, somebody commented about the high gun related murder rate in Chicago and how they believe that stricter gun laws don't work (to put it into kinder words other than the ones he directed towards me...including according to him, a 1 in 99 chance that he'll see how nicely his gun barrels fit into my mouth :roll: )...

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Murders fall 42 percent in America's deadliest city: Chicago


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04 ... cago?lite&


So much for that hypothesis...


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Meanwhile....


Mass Shootings in the United States Since 2005 --------> part five: 2008

Dallas, TX
12/30/2008
Three men in masks shot four people, one fatally, at a shop. (3 Sought in Dallas Store Shooting that Left 1 Dead, ASSOCIATED PRESS, December 31, 2008)

Baltimore, MD
12/28/2008
A gunman approached a group of people standing outside and opened fire, wounding five. (5 Injured in West Baltimore Shooting, WBAL-TV BALTIMORE, December 29, 2008)

Denver, CO
12/27/2008
Five people were shot outside a club as it was closing. (Jeremy P. Meyer, Streets bloodied by club gunfire, THE DENVER POST, December 28, 2008)

Lynchburg, SC
12/26/2008
One person died and three others were injured after they were shot during an argument at a bar in the early morning. (Fight at club leads to fatal shooting, THE POST AND COURIER, December 28, 2008)

Covina, CA
12/24/2008
A man dressed in a Santa suit entered his ex-wife’s family’s holiday party and massacred the party-goers. He shot at least eight people, before he doused the house with flammable liquid and started a fire. A total of nine people were killed in the home, while two others survived being shot. The gunman had planned to continue his massacre elsewhere, but unintentional injured himself in the fire, and ended up shooting and killing himself. (“Santa” Shooting Rampage Leaves 9 Dead, ASSOCIATED PRESS, December 25, 2008)

Trotwood, OH
12/12/2008
A man with a criminal record shot six people, one fatally, in a crowded bar. The shooter had been was thrown out of the bar earlier that night, but later returned with a gun. (Doug Page, Witness: A scuffle, then gunfire, DAYTON DAILY NEWS, December 13, 2008)

Jacksonville, FL
12/10/2008
A masked gunman shot five people outside a home. (Teen Girl Among Five Shot in Northwest Jacksonville, WJXT-TV JACKSONVILLE, December 10, 2008)

Atlanta, GA
12/7/2008
Five people were wounded and one person was killed when a gunman opened fired in a crowded nightclub. Firecrackers were set off just before the shooting, which police speculate may have provoked the shooter. (Andria Simmons, Police seek gunman in American Legion shootings, ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION, December 7, 2008)

Atlanta, GA
12/2/2008
Four people were injured in a shootout over drugs. At least one person was armed with an AK-47 assault rifle. (Christian Boone & Marcus K. Garner, Four people injured in Atlanta shootout, ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION, December 2, 2008)

Murfreesboro, NC
11/23/2008
A man shot two people, one fatally, at his former company, United Turf, and then went to a former coworker’s home where he shot and killed the coworker. The gunman later shot himself fatally. (Jeff Hampton, Jim Washington, Lauren King, Man shot slef after killing 2, wounding one, N.C. sheriff says, THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT, November 25, 2008)

Skyway, WA
11/22/2008
Four people were shot, one fatally, in a restaurant parking lot over an argument that erupted inside. (One person killed in Skyway shooting, THE SEATTLE TIMES, November 22, 2008)

Stockton, CA
11/21/2008
A 20-year-old man died and four other people were injured after being shot on a street corner near an elementary school. (Christian Burkin, South Stockton sees second homicide in less than a day, STOCKTON RECORD, November 23, 2008)

Los Angeles, CA
11/21/2008
A man with a restraining order against him shot his estranged wife, and their seven year old daughter and nine year old son, before shooting and killing himself. The two kids died from their injuries. (Richard Winton, Man kills children, himself, LOS ANGELES TIMES, November 22, 2008)

Odenton, MD
11/16/2008
Three men armed with handguns ambushed four other men, who were in a car in a mall parking lot, killing two and seriously injuring two. There was an ongoing dispute between the two groups. (Matt Zapotosky, Two Men Killed, Two Wounded in Shooting at Odenton Mall, WASHINGTON POST, November 17, 2008)

Saginaw, MI
11/16/2008
A man armed with a rifle shot four women as they sat in a car across the street. Three were seriously injured, two were sisters, and one was pregnant. (Shooting leaves 4 females injured, WEYI-TV MID-MICHIGAN, November 17, 2008)

Dallas, TX
11/16/2008
Five men were shot, one fatally, in a shootout outside a nightclub. The men had been arguing over a woman inside the club. (source)

Kansas City, MO
11/10/2008
Four people were shot, one fatally, after an argument turned violent. (KC police say 1 dead in quadruple shooting, ASSOCIATED PRESS, November 11, 2008)

Columbus, IN
11/9/2008
One person died and three were injured after being shot at a bar. (Ruthanne Gordon and Jackie Carpenter, 1 dead, 3 injured in Columbus shooting, WISH-TV INDIANAPOLIS, November 9, 2008)

Boston, MA
11/9/2008
One person died and four others were wounded in an overnight shooting. (Mother Dead, 4 Injured in Shooting, WCVB-TV Boston, November 9, 2008)

Monticello, MS
11/8/2008
Three men armed with two shotguns and an AK-47 assault rifle ambushed four men as they drove by in a car, killing one of the men and injuring the other three. (Marsha Thompson, Lawrence County lawmen say shooting victims ambushed, WLBT - TV 3 JACKSON, November 12, 2008)

Chicago, IL
11/2/2008
Seven people were wounded in a drive-by shooting. The victims, three men and four women, were shot as they were leaving a social club. (Chicago Police:7 Injured in Drive-by Shooting Outside Cub, ASSOCIATED PRESS, November 2, 2008)

Long Beach, CA
11/2/2008
Five people were found shot to death in a makeshift homeless encampment in the woods between two highways. (Police Seek Leads in Shooting that Left 5 Homeless Dead, ASSOCIATED PRESS, November 3, 2008)

Orlando, FL
11/2/2008
Four people were shot, one fatally, overnight at a McDonald’s parking lot. (Bianca Prieto, Police seek clues in deadly McDonald’s shooting, ORLANDO SENTINEL, November 4, 2008)

Marrero, LA
10/30/2008
Four people died after being shot during a robbery attempt at a bar. The two owners, who were brothers, were among the dead. (Cain Burdeau, 4 people slain in botched La. Pool hall robery, ASSOCIATED PRESS, October 30, 2008)

Floral City, FL
10/30/2008
A mother shot and killed her three young sons, aged four, two, and 15 months, before shooting herself fatally. She and the kids had recently moved out of her boyfriend’s home. (Mom, 3 Young Sons Shot Dead in Florida Home, ASSOCIATED PRESS, October 31, 2008)

Stockton, CA
10/25/2008
Five people were shot in the parking lot of an apartment building after leaving a Halloween party. The incident stems from an argument that began at the party. (Shooting at Halloween party leaves 5 hurt, STOCKTON RECORD, October 26, 2008)

Newark, NJ
10/24/2008
Three people drove around Newark and randomly targeted pedestrians during a shooting spree that lasted for almost an hour. They opened fire at seven different locations, killing two people and wounding four, including two high school students. (Two Men Arrested in Newark Shootings, ASSOCIATED PRESS, October 25, 2008)

West Hartford, CT
10/18/2008
Four people were shot at a baby shower when a fight erupted and turned violent. (Connecticutt Police Hunt for Motive After Baby Shower Shootout, ASSOCIATED PRESS, October 20, 2008)

Detroit, MI
10/16/2008
Three teenagers shot four other teenagers near Henry Ford High School over a fight at school. A sixteen year old died from his injuries. (3 teens charged in Detroit school shooting, ASSOCIATED PRESS, October 19, 2008)

North Vallejo, CA
10/15/2008
A man on a motorcycle shot three men and a two year old boy who were outside a home. The gunman hit all four victims multiple times, shooting repeatedly with a high-capacity handgun. (Shauntele Lowe, North Vallejo shooting victims remain hospitalized; suspect at large, THE OAKLAND TRIBUNE, October 16, 2008)

Grand Junction, CO
10/11/2008
A man shot two people outside their home after talking with them and then shot two passersby. Later the gunman shot himself. One person died from his injuries. (Two killed in Grand Junction shooting, ASSOCIATED PRESS, October 12, 2008)

Columbus, OH
10/9/2008
Three men and a woman died after each was shot multiples times while inside a home. (Theodore Decker, Police call Hilltop killings executions, THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH, October 10, 2008)

Glenarden, MD
10/4/2008
Four people were shot, one fatally, while standing outside an apartment complex. (Natalie McGill, Glenarden shooting kills one, injures three, GAZETTE.NET, October 6, 2008)

Columbia, SC
9/28/2008
A 19-year-old shot four people at a club. None of the injuries were fatal. (source)

New Haven, CT
9/27/2008
Four people were injured after being shot while attending a memorial service for a man killed by gunfire the previous week. (source)

Phoenix, AZ
9/23/2008
A gunman entered a home and shot four people, killing a 17-year-old. (Parker Leavitt, Teen killed, 3 others injured in Phoenix shooting, THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC, September 24, 2008)

Compton, CA
9/23/2008
Five people were shot, two fatally, near a bus station. (Two killed in shoopting at bus stop, THE LONG BEACH PRESS-TELEGRAM, September 24, 2008)

Grand Rapids, MI
9/19/2008
Five people on a porch were wounded when a man with a shotgun fired at them from a passing car. (Five injured in Grand Rapids shooting, WZZM-TV GRAND RAPIDS, September 22, 2008)

Columbus, OH
9/19/2008
Two people were wounded and two people were killed in a shooting. (Theodore Decker, Two dead, two critical in East Side shooting, THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH, September 19, 2008)

Philadelphia, PA
9/11/2008
Two gunmen attacked an award ceremony for a basketball league, opening fire into the crowd assembled at a playground. They shot five people, two died, including a 19 year old. (Two Gunmen at Large in Philadelphia After Deadly Youth Basketball Ceremony, ASSOCIATED PRESS, September 12, 2008)

Irvington, NJ
9/8/2008
A gunman shot a woman, her two teenage daughters, and a one-year-old girl before setting their house on fire. A woman and one-year old boy escaped the attack. (Suspect in 4 N.J. slayings surrenders to police, ASSOCIATED PRESS, September 13, 2008)

Tulsa, OK
9/7/2008
A drive by shooting with an SKS assault rifle left four teenagers wounded and one dead after their car was mistaken for a vehicle belonging to gang members. Three shooters were convicted. (Bill Braun, Tulsa man convicted of murder, assaults in drive-by shooting case, TULSA WORLD, January 22, 2008)

Tulsa, OK
9/7/2008
A 19 year old with an assault rifle opened fire on a group of teenagers. One teenager was killed and three others were seriously wounded. The shooter followed the victims for several blocks before the shooting. The victims reportedly knew the shooter although they were not considered friends of each other. (Arrest made in deadly drive-by, TULSA WORLD, September 12, 2008)

Visilia, CA
9/4/2008
Four men standing outside a home were shot. (Four Visalia men injured in midnight shooting, VISALIA TIMES, September 4, 2008)

Alger, WA
9/2/2008
A man shot eight people, six fatally, including a Sheriff’s Deputy, and stabbed two others. The shooter had been released from jail a month earlier, had a protective order issued against him in the past, and was seriously mentally ill. (6 dead, 2 wounded in Wash. State shooting spree, ASSOCIATED PRESS, September 2, 2008)

Oakland, CA
9/1/2008
One person died and four were injured in a shooting. (One dead, dour injured in Oakland shooting, OAKLAND TRIBUNE, September 1, 2008)

Camden, NJ
9/1/2008
A man shot and killed his wife, mother-in-law, daughter, and son before killing himself. His seven year old granddaughter and ten yea old grandson managed to escape from the house. (Geoff Mulvihill, Officials: Man kills 4 and himself in Camden NJ, ASSOCIATED PRESS, September 1, 2008)

Las Vegas, NV
8/31/2008
Someone shot six people when an argument erupted at a party. A 20 year old man died and five other people were injured. (Shooting Kills 20-year-old Man, Wounds 5 Others, KOLO-TV NORTHERN NEVADA, September 1, 2008)

Columbus, NE
8/19/2008
Five people were wounded in a drive-by shooting. (Teen Arrested in Columbus Shooting, WOWT-TV OMAHA, August 20, 2008)

Chicago, IL
8/13/2008
Four people were injured when an attempted robbery turned into a shootout between the storeowner and two thieves. The two thieves, a store employee, and a bystander were all injured. (Steve Schmadeke, Jewelery shop robbery attempt leaves 4 shot, CHICAGO TRIBUNE, August 14, 2008)

Maywood, IL
8/9/2008
Four teenagers were shot, three fatally, as they were sitting in a parked car. (Monifa Thomas, Three 18-year-old males killed in Maywood shooting, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES, August 10, 2008)

Baton Rouge, LA
8/7/2008
One man died and three others were wounded in a drive-by shooting. (4 shot, 1 fatally in drive-by, BATON ROUGE ADVOCATE, August 8, 2008)

Roxbury, MA
8/5/2008
Four people were shot on the street. (Milton Valencia and John Guilfoil, Four teens shot sitting on front steps, BOSTON GLOBE, August 6, 2008)

Niagara, WI
7/31/2008
A man with an assault rifle massacred a group of teenagers, killing three and injuring a fourth. The group was gathered along a river to go swimming when the gunman emerged from surrounding woods and began shooting. (Niagara, Wisconsin shooting suspect caught, CHICAGO TRIBUNE, August 1, 2008)

Kansas City, MO
7/31/2008
A 22-year-old died and three others were injured when a gunman in a car opened fire into a crowd of people. (Christine Vendel, Drive-by shooting kills one, followed by house shooting, KANSAS CITY STAR, August 1, 2008)

McKees Rocks, PA
7/27/2008
A man shot four people in a bar. (Gabrielle Banks, Warrant issued in shooting of 4 in McKees Rocks, PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE, July 28, 2008)

Knoxville, TN
7/27/2008
A man carrying a shotgun entered the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church and opened fire. Nine people were injured, two fatally. (Elizabeth Ryan, Chattanooga: Knoxville shooting brings shock tears to local church, ASSOCIATED PRESS, July 28, 2008)

Washington, DC
7/25/2008
Six people were shot on the street. (Clarence Williams, Six people shot newar North Capitol Street, WASHINGTON POST, July 26, 2008)

Bennett, CO
7/24/2008
A man shot and killed his wife, his three year old daughter, and another woman before killing himself. The man had escaped from prison several days before and was running from police with his family. (Kieran Nicholson, Howard Pankratz, Carlos Illescas, Escapee kills family, self, DENVER POST, July 25, 2008)

Corpus Christi, TX
7/18/2008
One man died and four others, including three children, were injured when several men shot at them in a residential area. (Man killed in afternoon shooting identified, CORPUS CHRISTI CALLER TIMES, July 25, 2008)

Atlanta, GA
7/17/2008
Two people were shot inside an apartment, and three more were shot outside the building. One person died. (Mike Morris, One dead, four wounded in shooting, ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION, July 18, 2008)

Saginaw, MI
7/16/2008
Five people were injured in a drive-by shooting. (Marc Jacobson, Dangerous Night in Saginaw and Flint, WJRT-TV MID-MICHIGAN, July 16, 2008)

Grandview, MO
7/14/2008
Four teenagers were shot while gathered in a diner parking lot. More than 40 rounds were fired at them. (Kevin Hoffmann, Two still hospitalized from Grandview shooting, KANSAS CITY STAR, July 14, 2008)

Detroit, MI
7/13/2008
Two men shot a woman and three children as they were standing on their porch. (Tom Grrenwood, 3 children and woman wounded in Detroit shooting, DETROIT NEWS, July 15, 2008)

Cocoa, FL
7/7/2008
Four people were wounded and a nearby house was sprayed with bullets during a drive-by shooting. (Five Shot in Revenge Drive-by, Police Say, WKMG-TV ORLANDO, July 7, 2008)

Brooklyn, NY
7/6/2008
One woman died and four others were wounded when a shootout erupted at a barbecue. (Jamie Roth, Family murns loss after Brookyn shooting, WABC-TV NEW YORK, July 7, 2008)

Pompano Beach, FL
7/6/2008
An argument over fireworks at a street party lead to a gunman shooting into the crowd of party-goers, injuring three people and killing one. (1 dead, 3 injured during shooting in Borward, ASSOCIATED PRESS, July 7, 2008)

Milwaukee, Wi
7/4/2008
A gunman opened fire at a large street party, spraying more than 30 bullets into the crowd. He killed four people and wounded two others. (Carrie Antlfinger, 4 people dead in Milwaukee shooting, ASSOCIATED PRESS, July 4, 2008)

Tracy, CA
6/30/2008
Five people were injured when a gunman fired into a group of people standing outside a house. (Gang Shooting in Tracy Injures 5, KXTV-TV SACRAMENTO, July 1, 2008)

Raleigh, NC
6/28/2008
Two men shot four people, two fatally. (Beau Minnick, Two killed in Raleigh shooting, WRAL-TV RALEIGH, June 29, 2008)

Henderson, KY
6/24/2008
A disgruntled employee shot his boss and five other workers at a plastics plant before killing himself. One worker survived the massacre. (Harry Weber, Bruce Schreiner, Rebecca Yonker, 6 Dead in Henderson, Ky., Plastics Plant Shooting, ASSOCIATED PRESS, June 25, 2008)

Chicago, IL
6/23/2008
Four people were injured and a 17-year-old killed in a drive-by shooting. (Crime Watch, CHICAGO TRIBUNE, June 25, 2008)

Corinth, MS
6/23/2008
Four people were shot at a party. (source)

Anderson, NC
6/22/2008
Three men with an AK-47 assault rifle fired on a group of teenagers standing outside an apartment building. Three of the teens were injured and another was killed. (Jane Hindmon, Police: AK-47 Used In Anderson Shooting, WHNS-TV 21 GREENSVILLE, June 25, 2008)

St Paul, MN
6/22/2008
One man was killed and three others injured when they were shot outside of a nightclub. (Pat Pheifer, St. Paul club where father of 5 was killed has history of violence, STAR TRIBUNE, June 23, 2008)

Miami, FL
6/13/2008
A man shot six people at a graduation party with an assault rifle. One of the victims died. (Teen shot and killed while leaving graduation party, WSVN - TV 7 MIAMI, June 13, 2008)

Carrollwood, FL
6/7/2008
A man shot and killed his estranged wife, and two others at her house, including the local fire captain. The gunman then got in a shootout with police, wounding two officers, before he was killed. (Mitch Stacy, Four killed in related shootings, SARASOTA HERALD-TRIBUNE, June 9, 2008)

Philadelphia, PA
6/7/2008
Two men fired into a crowd of people, injuring four people, including a six year old girl. (3 adults, 1 child shot outside philadelphia club, ASSOCIATED PRESS, June 8, 2008)

Mountain Grove, MO
6/5/2008
A man shot his estranged wife and two of her relatives before shooting himself. The man and the two relatives all died. (Kate Stacy, Four Die in Mtn. Grove Murder-Suicide, Ozarks First, June 6, 2008)

Ingram, TX
6/1/2008
A man shot and killed his six and nine year old sons, his wife, and his mother-in-law before killing himself. The shooter had been arrested previously for domestic violence. (Zeke MacCormack, Ingram family of 5 killed; murder-suicide suspected, SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS-NEWS, June 2, 2008)

North Versailles, PA
6/1/2008
A man shot five people in a bar after arguing with another customer. (North Versailles Shooting Leaves Five Injured, Including Former Steeler, WPXI-TV PITTSBURGH, June 2, 2008)

Tulsa, OK
5/31/2008
Six teenagers were injured in a drive-by shooting. (OKC police chief wants tighter gun laws, ASSOCIATED PRESS, June 2, 2008)

Jacksonville, FL
5/29/2008
Five people were injured in a drive-by shooting. (Police: 5 People Injured in Drive-by Shooting, WJXT-TV JACKSONVILLE, May 30, 2008)

Jackson, MS
5/26/2008
Five people were shot, one fatally, at a Memorial Day barbecue. A man had left the party after arguing with others in attendance only to return with an assault rifle and fire indiscriminately into the crowd. (David Kenney, Memorial Party Shooting Arrest, WLBT - TV 3 JACKSON, May 27, 2008)

Fort Worth, TX
5/25/2008
Five teenagers were shot when a fight broke out at a party. (5 shot I what police say was gang incident, FORT WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM, May 26, 2008)

Winnemucca, NV
5/25/2008
A man entered a bar and shot four people, two fatally. There was a history of disagreements between the families of the shooter and the victims. (Winnemucca Authorities Suspect Revenge Spurred Bar Shootings, ASSOCIATED PRESS, May 28, 2008)

Arleta, CA
5/20/2008
Four men were shot in a drive-by shooting. (Brandon Lowry, Aron Miller, Night of Valley gun violence kills two, wounds eight, Los Angeles Daily News, May 21, 2008)

Baltimore, MD
5/15/2008
Three people were injured and one killed after being shot in a residential neighborhood. (One Dead in Wake of Quadruple Shooting, WBAL-TV BALTIMORE, May 16, 2008)

Riverdale, IL
5/13/2008
Five people were shot at a bar after a fight erupted. (Five injured in suburban Chicago bar shooting, ASSOCIATED PRESS, May 14, 2008)

Saucier, MS
5/6/2008
A man killed his two teenage stepdaughters and one of the girl’s boyfriends before killing himself in a domestic dispute. (Four Dead in Saucier Shooting, ASSOCIATED PRESS, May 6, 2008)

Stafford, VA
5/5/2008
A man shot and killed his girlfriend with an AK-47 assault rifle before killing his one-year-old son, two-year-old daughter, and himself with a handgun in their home. (Martin Weil, Elissa Silverman, 4 Fatally Shot in Trailer Park, WASHINGTON POST, May 6, 2008)

Big Spring, TX
5/4/2008
A 20 year old pregnant woman and 21 year old man died, and four others were injured, including a three year old girl, in a drive-by shooting. (Family killed in drive-by shooting in Big Spring, VICTORIA ADVOCATE, May 6, 2008)

Phoenix, AZ
5/3/2008
Two teens died and five more were wounded when a fight erupted at a party and rival gang members started shooting at each other. (JJ Hensley, 2 dead, 5 wounded in gang-related shooting, ARIZONA REPUBLIC, May 4, 2008)

Torrance, CA
4/28/2008
A man shot his wife, her mother, their five-year-old son, and then himself hours after his wife took out a restraining order against him. Only the wife survived the shooting. (Police: 3 dead, 1 wounded in murder-suicide, ASSOCIATED PRESS, April 29, 2008)

Los Angeles, CA
4/28/2008
Five people were shot, two fatally, in a drive-by shooting. The two who died were in a parked car, and the three who were injured were sitting on a porch nearby. (Francisco Vara-Orta, Los Angeles; 2 dead, 3 injured in shooting, LOS ANGELES TIMES, April 29, 2008)

Easley, SC
4/26/2008
An 18-year-old shot and killed his father, brother, stepmother, and stepsister at their house. He had broken up with his girlfriend and moved back home two weeks earlier. (Teen Xharged with Killing Four Family Members, ASSOCIATED PRESS, April 28, 2008)

Chicago, IL
4/23/2008
Five people were shot to death in a house that was also ransacked. The perpetrators have not been identified. (Sara Olin, Antonio Olivo, Angela Rozas, 5 found slain in South Side home, CHICAGO TRIBUNE, April 24, 2008)

Jacksonville, FL
4/18/2008
Four men were shot at a nightclub after getting into a dispute with the shooter earlier that evening. Four Men Shot Outside Club, ASSOCIATED PRESS, April 18, 2008)

Peoria, AZ
4/15/2008
Three people were killed and another injured after being shot in their home. (Cecilia Chan, 3 slain, 1 wounded in Peoria shooting incident, ARIZONA REPUBLIC, April 15, 2008)

Fort Worth, TX
4/6/2008
A five-year-old girl and her grandmother died, and three other children and a woman were injured when they were shot while at a child’s birthday party at an appartment. A gunman fired many rounds at the children who were playing outside. (Deanna Boyd, Man held in Fort Worth double-slaying, FORT WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM, April 8, 2008)

Kansas City, MO
3/31/2008
A 22 year old died and three others were injured when a gunman in a car opened fire into a crowd of people. (source)

Richmond, CA
3/30/2008
A man fired multiple times into a crowd of people who were setting up for an event outside a church. One person died and four others were seriously injured. (One killed, four injured in shooting outside Richmond church, ASSOCIATED PRESS, March 31, 2008)

Hyattsville, MD
3/26/2008
Four assailants robbed and shot four men, killing two of them. (Elissa Silverman, CLarence Williams, 2 Men Killed, 2 Hurt in Hyattsville Shooting, WASHINGTON POST, March 27, 2008)

Santa Maria, CA
3/20/2008
A man with a semi-automatic handgun shot his father, two employees, and a customer at his father’s junkyard. All four victims died. (4 dead in shooting at auto wrecking yard, ASSOCIATED PRESS, March 20, 2008)

Virginia Beach, VA
3/19/2008
A man shot five people, killing two, with an AK-47 assault rifle and .9 mm handgun before killing himself. The man was about to be evicted from his apartment and targeted the apartment complex’s employees in his attack. (Gunman in mass shooting identified, WVEC - TV 13 HAMPTON ROADS, VA, March 20, 2008)

West Palm Beach, FL
3/4/2008
A man walked into a Wendy’s restaurant at lunchtime and shot six people before killing himself. One of the victims died. (Motive Still Mystery after West Palm Beach Wendy’s Shooting, WPBF-TV WEST PALM BEACH, March 4, 2008)

Memphis, TN
3/2/2008
A man shot and killed his brother after the two argued, then tried to kill everyone else who was in the house. The man shot and killed three other adults with a semi-automatic handgun, and beat and stabbed four children, killing two of them. In all, six people died and two were injured. (Victims of Memphis shooting had extensive criminal records…, ASSOCIATED PRESS, March 8, 2008)

Emory, TX
3/1/2008
A teenage girl, along with her boyfriend and two other friends, shot and stabbed each member of her family before setting their house on fire. Her mother and two younger brothers died; her father survived despite being shot five times. The girl was unhappy because her parents did not like her boyfriend and were trying to break the two up. (Police: Boyfriend wanted to kill girl’s parents, ASSOCIATED PRESS, March 3, 2008)

Los Angeles, CA
2/28/2008
Five children and three adults were injured when a man shot into crowd of people waiting at a bus stop. A nearby school had just let out for the day. (5 kids among 8 injured in L.A. shooting, ASSOCIATED PRESS, February 28, 2008)

Bristol, TN
2/27/2008
A man angry about a breakup with an ex-girlfriend killed her mother, current boyfriend, friend, and neighbor at her appartment. He fled the scene but later killed himself as police closed in on his location. (Shooting in Downtown Bristol Kills 3, Injures 1, ASSOCIATED PRESS, February 27, 2008)

Baldwin Park, CA
2/25/2008
A man with a history of serious mental illness fatally shot his mother with a handgun and then went to his neighbor’s home, where he killed a woman and a four-year-old girl, and wounded two other children. (California Man Charged with Shooting 2 Women, 3 Children, ASSOCIATED PRESS, February 26, 2008)

Yorba Linda, CA
2/24/2008
A man shot and killed his wife and three small children, and wounded his stepson before killing himself with a shotgun. (5 dead, 1 hurt in California shooting, ASSOCIATED PRESS, February 25, 2008)

DeKalb, IL
2/14/2008
A man entered a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University and began shooting. He killed five students and wounded 16 before killing himself. (Gunman Was Once ‘Revered’ on Campus, NEW YORK TIMES, February 15, 2008)

Canton, OH
2/10/2008
Four people were shot at a bar. (source)

Orlando, FL
2/10/2008
Five high school students were injured when someone fired into a crowd at a party. (5 Shot at Sweet 16 Party, WESH-TV ORLANDO, February 10, 2008)

Mount Olive, SC
2/9/2008
Four people were injured after an argument between two families erupted into gunfire. (source)

Los Angeles, CA
2/7/2008
A man killed three relatives and then entered into a lengthy standoff when police arrived at his house. In the standoff, the gunman killed one SWAT officer and injured another before he was killed. (Gunman in Los Angeles Shooting Had History of Mental Illness, Police Say, ASSOCIATED PRESS, February 8, 2008)

Kirkwood, MO
2/7/2008
A man entered a Kirkwood City Council Meeting and started shooting city officials. In all, the gunman killed six people and injured at least two others. Police later killed the gunman. (Six dead, two wounded in shooting at Kirkwood council meeting, KWMU – ST. LOUIS PUBLIC RADIO, February 8, 2008)

Utica, NY
2/3/2008
Five guests were injured when shots were fired at a crowded house party. (Rocco LaDuca, Police to crack down on late night-night parties after 5 people are shot, UTICA OBSERVER-DISPATCH, February 4, 2008)

Tinley Park, IL
2/2/2008
Six women were tied-up and then shot at a suburban clothing store. Five of the women died. The gunman escaped and has not been identified. (John Gress, Five killed in Chicago-area store shooting, REUTERS, February 2, 2008)

Cockeysville, MD
2/1/2008
A 15-year-old boy shot his parents and two younger brothers while they were sleeping. (Kasey Jones Md. Boy Admits Killing Parents, Brothers, ASSOCIATED PRESS, February 3, 2008)

Washington, DC
1/22/2008
Four Ballou High School students were shot as they were leaving school at the end of the day. All students are expected to recover. (3 shot shortly after high school dismissal, ASSOCIATED PRESS, January 22, 2008)

Indianapolis, IN
1/14/2008
Two intruders demanding money and drugs repeatedly shot two women and their two young children. All four victims died. (Emily Udell, 2 women, 2 young children killed in Indy shooting, ASSOCIATED PRESS, January 15, 2008)

Washington, DC
1/11/2008
A 17-year-old shot five men between the ages of 17 and 20 from his car. (source)

Walnut Hills, OH
1/7/2008
A gunfight in a bar leaves four injured. (Gunfight in Walnut Hills Injures 3 Bystanders, WLWT-TV CINCINNATI, January 8, 2008)

Long Beach, FL
1/1/2008
Four people were injured when someone shot at a group of partygoers in a Long Beach backyard. (New Year shooting stuns family, LONG BEACH PRESS-TELEGRAM, January 2, 2008)




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So now we're equating uniformed soldiers with mass murderers ???

This was your quote :For every car bomb that has been successfully used to kill or injure large crowds of people...I can think of two high profile instances, both carried out by organized terrorists working in groups...there are tens of millions of gun related deaths.

Are the car bombers you researched wearing uniforms ??

That's almost as simplistic as saying ' every person that breaths , will at some time , stop.' :|



Don't you think the reason the United States has the best equipped military is partly because of the firepower they have ?

You need to understand that militarys exist because of things like wars. The more firepower they have , and the more damage they can cause and is an asset to the fighting force against it's foe. This lessens the damage done to their own troops.

The same can almost be said about a mass murderer.

One has the consent of a government behind it , the other does not.

How could any sane person equate the two ??
That's a stretch even for hypocritical demon crats like you space dust. :roll:


Kid , quit drinking the Kool-Aid and god forbid that any of your younger relatives might be called up for a future draft.

If you had your way , your relative would be carrying a pea shooter instead of something real. :roll:


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Yes. Quite possibly the first U.S. school shooting.

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Come to think about it , our military could be mass murderers at that. :?

Waco , Tx and Ruby Ridge come to mind, as well.

Yeah , that's it. Let's take ALL the guns away and only let the military industrial complex hex have them.

Someone should write an amendment to that. :wink:


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Murders fall 42 percent in America's deadliest city: Chicago


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04 ... cago?lite&


So much for that hypothesis...



It ain't summertime yet , space cadet.

I hear the summers in Chi Town are real killers. :wink:

Get back to me around August . :lol:


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Come to think about it , our military could be mass murderers at that. :?

Waco , Tx and Ruby Ridge come to mind, as well.



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You want a threat SpaceHead ? Come to a few neighborhoods in this town , nah , we'll go across the river to Kentucky and I'll show you some real racists , and you can spew what you have on this forum , for the past 5 years , and then we'll see just how many gun barrels fit in your mouth.



You are a sad and sick person. Seek help before you hurt somebody.


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while you are bloviating don't forget Kent State 1970.


Yes. Quite possibly the first U.S. school shooting.


Yep.




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James Allen Rhodes was a four-term Republican governor from Ohio...

During his first tenure, he called in the Ohio National Guard to quell the Kent State protests, which resulted in the deaths of 4 students. He said of the protesters the day before the shootings that they were "worse than brownshirts" and that he was determined to keep the National Guard on campus "until we get rid of them."


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Somebody requested names of tens of millions of people who have died because of guns. Now that I'm supplying them with the information they requested, they aren't particularly happy...Oh well...sure hope they don't go out to see how nicely their gun barrels fit into other peoples mouths because he's mad...

Mass Shootings in the United States Since 2005 --------> part six: 2007

Carnation, WA
12/24/2007
A woman and her boyfriend, using large-caliber pistols, shot and killed six members of her family, including her parents, her brother and wife, and their two children, ages three and six. The shootings took place in and around the parents’ house on Christmas Eve. (Scott Gutierrez, Carnation suspects tell officers of victims’ frantic, final moments, Seattle POST-INTELLIGENCER, December 28, 2007)

Las Vegas, NV
12/11/2007
Two assailants using 9-millimeter and .45-caliber guns shot six people as they exited a Mojave High School bus. The attack followed a fight at school earlier in the day. (6 People Shot After Exiting a School Bus in Las Vegas, ASSOCIATED PRESS, December 12, 2007)

Arvada & Colorado Springs, CO
12/9/2007
One man with an assault rifle attacked a missionary training center in Arvada and a church in Colorado Springs. He killed two people and injured two others in Arvada, and killed two and injured three others in Colorado Springs. He died after being shot by a security guard and then shooting himself. (Erin Emery, Report details church shooting, the document chronicles the days leading up to the Dec. 9 deaths of four young people,DENVER POST, March 13, 2008)

Omaha, NE
12/5/2007
Nine people were shot to death and five others were injured after a 20 year old shooter, armed with a military-style assault rifle, attacked shoppers in a department store in a Nebraska mall. (The American Way, EUGENE REGISTER-GUARD, December 17, 2008)

Jackson, MO
12/3/2007
A man fatally shot his wife, four-year-old daughter, and 16-year-old stepson before killing himself with .38 caliber handgun in their home. He also shot his 2-year-old daughter. (Third Victim Dies After Jackson Shooting, HEARTLAND NEWS, December 3, 2007)

Laytonsville, MD
11/22/2007
A man shot and killed ex-wife and their three children at a park before killing himself with a 22-caliber rifle. The victims were each shot multiple times. (Five dead, including 3 children, in Md. Murder-suicide, ASSOCIATED PRESS, November 23, 2009)

Denver, CO
11/4/2007
A man shot into a crowd of people exiting from a nightclub at closing time, leaving six people injured and one dead. There had been an incident in the bar earlier that night. (Group shot outside Denver nightclub; 1 killed, 7 wounded, ASSOCIATED PRESS, November 4, 2007)

Federal Heights, CO
10/31/2007
Five people were injured during Halloween party when two men who were arguing began shooting at each other. (Kirk Mitchell, Kieran Nicholson At least 5 shot at wild Adco party, DENVER POST, November 2, 2007)

Saginaw, MI
10/25/2007
Two Arthur Hill High School students and two adults were shot by another student as they left a middle school football game. Charges sought in shooting at Saginaw school football game, ASSOCIATED PRESS, October 25, 2007)

Detroit, MI
10/18/2007
Two adults and two children, 5 and 9 years old, were shot and killed as they were sleeping. (Adults, Children Found Shot Dead in Detroit Home, Associated Press, October 18, 2007)

Cleveland, OH
10/10/2007
A 14 year old student shot two teachers and two students at SuccessTech Academy before killing himself. He had been suspended for fighting earlier in the week and had threatened to harm other students and blow up the school previously. (Student, 14, Shoots 4 and Kills Himself in Cleveland School, NEW YORK TIMES, October, 10, 2007)

Crandon, WI
10/7/2007
An off-duty Sheriff’s deputy killed six and wounded a seventh person when he burst into a pizza party and started shooting with an AR-15 Assault Rifle. The shooter later killed himself as the police closed in. (Todd Richmond, Crandon mass murder-suicide: Questions linger in killing of seven, officials tight-lipped despite suspect’s death, ST. PAUL PIONEER PRESS, December 4, 2007)

Camden, NJ
9/21/2007
A man shot four people, including a three-year-old and a 73-year-old, on a Camden street. (Leo Strupczewski, Suspect sought in Camden shootout, CHERRY HILL COURIER POST, September 23, 2007)

Detroit, MI
9/17/2007
Five people were shot, four fatally, in a house. (Four killed in Detroit home shooting, UPI, September 18, 2007)

New Orleans, LA
9/15/2007
At least 28 bullets were fired from an AK-47 at an outdoor birthday party for 5 year old twins in the courtyard of a public housing complex. A 19 year old was killed and three children were wounded, ages 7, 8 and 13. (Mary Sparacello, Housing Authority reining in parties, Kenner shooting leads to regulations, NEW ORLEANS TIMES PICAYUNE, October 11, 2007)

Miami, FL
9/13/2007
Police spotted a vehicle driving erratically and followed it until it stopped in a residential complex. The driver got out and hopped a fence to the rear of the home; the officers exited their patrol car and went to the front of the home where they were granted permission to search by a female resident. The suspect grabbed a high-powered, military-grade rifle and fired at the police officers through a window, killing one officer, then exited the house and shot three other officers as he escaped. The shooter was caught later that day but would not relinquish his assault rifle so he was shot and killed by police officers. (David Ovalle et. al., The murder and the manhunt started in a South Miami-Dade townhouse, zigzagged…, MIAMI HERALD, September 13, 2007)

Dallas, TX
8/12/2007
One person was killed and three others wounded in a shooting outside a poetry/coffee shop. The gunman, who used an assault rifle, fled the scene. (Marissa Alanis, Peacekeeper is killed outside club, police say: Dallas 3 others injured as gunman fires assault rifle into crowd, DALLAS MORNING NEWS, August 13, 2007)

Newark, NJ
8/4/2007
Three Delaware State University students were shot and killed execution style by a 28 year old and two 15 year old boys. The three friends were forced to kneel against a wall behind an elementary school and were shot in the head. A fourth student was found about 30 feet away with gunshot and knife wounds to her head. (Third Suspect Arrested in Student Killings, ASSOCIATED PRESS, August 11, 2007)

Atlanta, GA
7/23/2007
A man neighbors described as a retired factory worker shot three people to death and wounded two others before killing himself in a southwest Atlanta home. (Atlanta Shooting Leaves 4 Dead, Including Gunman, 2 Injured, ASSOCIATED PRESS, July 23, 2007)

Philadelphia, PA
7/22/2007
Police said a man opened fire shortly after midnight at Abay Wheelers Bar in the Kingsessing section of the city, killing three men, ages 20, 30 and 31, and injuring a fourth. (Dan Cuellar, Weekend Violence Leaves 6 Dead, WPVI-TV PHILADELPHIA, July 22, 2007)

Indianapolis, IN
7/16/2007
A man with a history of mental illness plead guilty to wounding four co-workers in a shooting at a factory. He waited for his co-workers to show up for work, and then began to fire. (Jon Murray, Co-worker pleads guilty in shootings, INDIANAPOLIS STAR, July 17, 2007)

Cleveland, OH
7/4/2007
Enraged by the fireworks being set off at a neighbor’s party, Terrence Hough, Jr., 35, confronted them with a handgun. Hough opened fire on the guests, killing three and wounding two others. According to his co-workers at the Cleveland fire department, Hough was a “ticking time bomb” with a prior DUI conviction, yet he reportedly managed to qualify for a CCW license in 2004. Police seized twelve other firearms from Hough’s home. (Mike Tobin, Hough known for bursts of anger, CLEVELAND PLAIN DEALER, July 7, 2007)

Moscow, ID
5/20/2007
A card-carrying member of the Aryan Nation with a lengthy criminal record, Jason Kenneth Hamilton, 36, went on a killing spree with a semi-automatic military rifle. Hamilton shot his wife in their home before opening fire on the Latah County courthouse, killing one police officer and wounding three others. Hamilton then took refuge in a nearby church, killing a church sexton before turning the gun on himself. Hamilton had a long criminal history across four states, including arrests for violent crimes, domestic violence, drugs, and weapons offenses, yet he was licensed to own fully automatic weapons and to carry concealed weapons. (Taryn Brodwater et al., Shooter linked to Aryans, IDAHO SPOKESMAN REVIEW, May 23, 2007)

Blacksburg, VA
5/16/ 2007
Thirty-three people were killed Monday on the campus of Virginia Tech in what appears to be the deadliest shooting rampage in American history. Many of the victims were students shot in a dorm and a classroom building. Witnesses described scenes of mass chaos and unimaginable horror as some students were lined up against a wall and shot. Others jumped out of windows to escape, or crouched on floors to take cover. (Virginia Tech Shooting Leaves 33 Dead, New York Times, April 16 2007)

Kansas City, MO
3/5/2007
One man was killed and three injured during a drive-by shooting of a tire store. The shooters used two .223-caliber assault rifles, one of which had two large drum magazines and could fire 100 bullets without reloading. Police pursued the shooters, who were eventually apprehended, and were shot at with the same assault rifles. The following day, three retaliatory shootings occurred; the day after, one retaliatory shooting occurred in which a woman was shot seven times in the chest and torso. (Christine Vendel, Heavy firepower in KC: Officers outgunned by suspects, KANSAS CITY STAR, March 8, 2007)

Philadelphia, PA
2/13/2007
A gunman used an assault weapon to kill three and wound another before killing himself. (Larry King & Joseph A. Gambardello, Investor rage, lethal trap, PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER, February 14, 2007)

Salt Lake City, UT
2/12/2007
A teen opened fire inside the Trolley Square Mall, killing five, before being shot and killed by police. (Gunman Kills 5 in Shooting Spree at Salt Lake City Mall Before Being Killed by Police, ASSOCIATED PRESS, February 13, 2008)


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...just like the cars versus guns argument...

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I’m one of those annoying people who always responds to any suggestion that we “do something” about gun violence or terrorism by pointing out that we allow 40,000 motor vehicle deaths per year, and that maybe we should do something about that problem first.

I don’t do this for tactical reasons. (I recognize that, as a tactic, this argument is a dead loser.)


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This may be the first actual documented school shooting in America...

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A DISQUISITION PORTRAYING THE HISTORY RELATIVE
TO THE ENOCH BROWN INCIDENT


Address presented by
Glen L. Cump, Secretary
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This address was presented on August 1, 1992 at the Enoch Brown Park
on the opening day of Old Home Week.
The park was the local landmark commemorated on the badges.

August 4, 1885 was indeed a red letter day for Mother Antrim. The long wish for rain came down in torrents the two previous days. It was feared the weather would be unfavorable for the festivity planned, but there never dawned a lovelier day. Nearly five thousand people assembled on this hallowed ground to show respect and share in the dedication ceremony and unveiling of the monument to honor the memory of School Master Enoch Brown and eleven scholars: Ruth Hale, Eben Taylor, George Dustan, Archie McCullough and six others whose names were not known at that time, who were maimed and massacred in this grove on July 26, 1764...




Regardless of what side of the debate you're on,I highly recomend checking out this link. History is quite a fascinating subject.


The same shit, different century. -----> http://www.greencastlemuseum.org/Local_ ... /enoch.htm
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Violence begets violence. As early as 1763, a white gang, the Paxton Boys, murdered six Indians; and then a few days later, killed fourteen members of a peace-loving Indian settlement that for more than seventy years had lived at Conestoga near Lancaster.




250 years later, and we still haven't learned. How many more kids will end up getting killed until we, as a society grow the balls to tell the gun industry and the NRA to go fuck themselves? :P


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Blame the chinese they invented gun powder

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According to the Maris poll, a clear majority of Americans want stricter gun laws.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Secti ... l-2013.pdf

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Do you think the laws covering the sale of firearms should be more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?
NATIONAL ADULTS: April 2013
More strict - 60%
Less strict - 5%
Kept as they are now - 33
Unsure - 2
Total - 100%


Do you support or oppose legislation that would ban the sale of assault weapons?
NATIONAL ADULTS: April 2013
Support - 59%
Oppose - 37%
Unsure - 4%
Total - 100%


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For me an NRA member I am fine with some additional gun laws, although they won't stop a situation like in conn. those guns were all legal , bad parenting and it cost the parent and many more their lives, SB you are a gutter snipe, have you a solution or just more racist remarks an sniping?

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Milton Bradley wrote:
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Yes. Quite possibly the first U.S. school shooting.


Wrong:

1700s
(U.S. Population: Less Than 4M)
The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived.

1850s
(U.S. Population: 23M-31M)
November 2, 1853: Louisville, Kentucky, The student Matthew Ward bought a pistol in the morning, went to school and killed the schoolmaster Mr. Butler, as revenge for what Ward thought was excessive punishment of his brother the day before. Ward was acquitted.

September 11, 1859: Oakland, California, Edward Carpenter accidentally shot himself dead while hunting on campus; he was one of the few students permitted to have a firearm at school.

and the list goes on...

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