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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:59 pm 
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Since moronic lefty / liberal activity in this thread has been on the rise over the past day or two, here's a few FACTS from earlier in this thread:

FACT:

Chicago & Washington, DC have THE highest amounts of firearm-related murders of ANY cities in the US, yet they both have THE strictest gun laws.

FACT:

After Australia's firearm ban in 1997, violent crime increased over 40% and rapes increased over 30%, yet the amount of deaths due to firearm related causes virtually remained the same.

FACT:

Since 1993, firearm related deaths have DECREASED in the US, despite the FACT that more US citizens own and/or utilize firearms than ever before.

FACT:

There are currently over 315 million people in the US, so of course there are technically more firearm related deaths than most, if not all other countries - where most only have a fraction of the population compared to the US.

FACT:

Banning firearms will NOT stop firearm related deaths, but will instead, sustain or even increase them.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:08 am 
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FACT:

The gun related and violent highest crime rates per capita are in states with the weakest gun laws...period.

FACT:

Per capita, Chicago has significantly lower crime rates than the major metropolitan areas in states with weak gun laws and firearm ownership per capita.

The numbers STILL don't lie. We've been over this and I realize you're too ignorant and stubborn to accept the facts.


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Incidentally, Illinois ranks #31 with a 9.1 per 100,000 compared to: Alaska ranks 2nd worst = 20 per 100k.

FACT:

23 of the top 26 states for the highest gun crime per capita are Republican controlled Red States that have the weakest gun laws.

FACT:

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FACT:

Stricter gun laws and lower ownerships of firearms do in FACT equal lower crime rates per capita.

FACT:

Gun wacko's are brainwashed idiots easily duped by gun manufacturing multi-national corporations and their support groups, like the NRA who idolizes a pedophile named Ted Nugent.

FACT:

The blatant ignorance by the pro gun contingency is astonishing.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:31 am 
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"Nancy Lanza had grown up a ‘live free or die’ New Hampshire gal, and she had a sense that guns were part of everyday life,'' author and journalist Andrew Solomon told Savannah Guthrie on TODAY Monday. Nancy, a gun enthusiast who was shot and killed by her son, kept several firearms in the house. The Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that Adam used belonged to her.


http://www.today.com/news/adam-lanzas-f ... 8?GT=43001


FACT:

This is a no brainer...stricter gun laws and lower ownerships per capita equals significantly lower crime rates.

FACT:

Gun crime rates in states with weak gun laws are increasing.
http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-laws-matter ... -violence/

FACT:

A 50-State Analysis of Gun Violence and Its Link to Weak State Gun Laws
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ ... r-the-gun/

FACT:

States With Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death
http://www.vpc.org/press/1110gundeath.htm

FACT:

A 50-State Analysis of Gun Violence and Its Link to Weak State Gun Laws
http://truth-out.org/news/item/15524-a- ... e-gun-laws

FACT:

Gun Violence: Missouri One of Worst States With High Crime Rates, Weak Laws
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyr ... ogress.php

FACT:

Even Foxnews, a pro-gun Right-Wing leaning propaganda source has conceded that that weak state gun laws lead to higher violent crime rates
http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/04/03/stu ... -violence/

FACT:

I'm almost 100% certain that an ad hominem attack will be hurled my direction from a guy who thought that it was a FACT that Ron Paul was going to get 10 million votes when he in FACT only got 2 million and Ayn Rand books were the highest selling of all time when in FACT they weren't even remotely close to being on a single best sellers list.


Some more FACTS:

Study: States with more gun laws have less gun violence
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... o/1969227/

States With Fewer Gun Laws Are the Most Violent, Study Finds
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-0 ... finds.html

Weak Gun Laws Increase Illegal Trafficking
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/weak-gun ... rafficking

States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death
http://www.vpc.org/press/0905gundeath.htm

'Pro-Gun' States Lead the Nation in Per Capita Firearm Death Rates
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 14947.html

Concealed Carry Laws Increase Crime
http://hawaiiccw.com/gun-myths/conceale ... ase-crime/

homicides up 25 percent since states passed Stand Your Ground laws
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/05/j ... ound-laws/

States with most restrictive gun-control laws have lower gun-related deaths, study finds
http://www.abc15.com/news/national/stat ... tudy-finds

'Stand Your Ground' Linked To Increase In Homicides
http://www.npr.org/2013/01/02/167984117 ... n-homicide

New Data Shows Increase in Percentage of Out-of-State Guns Used to Commit Crimes in NYC
http://www.mikebloomberg.com/index.cfm? ... 14FD1EC6A3

Study: States with more gun laws have less gun violence
http://archive.news10.net/news/local/ar ... n-violence


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:25 pm 
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I suppose, SpaceBrother, that you're replying to a DiscoBoy post ?

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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It is indeed a response to our friend from the vegetable kingdom. Even when presented with indisputable facts with a 0% margin of error, his stubbornness to accept them frequently requires a clarifying reminder.

I expect a plethora of ad hominem attacks from him at any moment.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:47 pm 
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Disco Boy wrote:
FICTION:

After Australia's firearm ban in 1997, violent crime increased over 40% and rapes increased over 30%, yet the amount of deaths due to firearm related causes virtually remained the same.



"Claims that Australian gun laws have increased crime are pure spin and deception. They say more about American partisan politics than about the reality in Australia.
The USA has 14.3 times Australia’s population, 104 times our total firearm-caused deaths, and 294 times Australia’s firearm homicide rate. In 1979, 705 people died from gunshots in Australia. Despite population growth, in 2003, this number had fallen to 289.

Gun lobby affiliated researchers in Australia have sought to repudiate these outcomes using embarrassingly naïve methods that have been heavily criticised in the research literature. While news of the latest gun massacre in the United States remains depressingly common, Australians today enjoy one of the safest communities on earth. John Howard’s first and most popular law reform stands as the world’s most successful reform of gun laws."


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:33 pm 
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phydeaux3 wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
FICTION:

After Australia's firearm ban in 1997, violent crime increased over 40% and rapes increased over 30%, yet the amount of deaths due to firearm related causes virtually remained the same.



"Claims that Australian gun laws have increased crime are pure spin and deception. They say more about American partisan politics than about the reality in Australia.
The USA has 14.3 times Australia’s population, 104 times our total firearm-caused deaths, and 294 times Australia’s firearm homicide rate. In 1979, 705 people died from gunshots in Australia. Despite population growth, in 2003, this number had fallen to 289.

Gun lobby affiliated researchers in Australia have sought to repudiate these outcomes using embarrassingly naïve methods that have been heavily criticised in the research literature. While news of the latest gun massacre in the United States remains depressingly common, Australians today enjoy one of the safest communities on earth. John Howard’s first and most popular law reform stands as the world’s most successful reform of gun laws."


Dude, we went over this MONTHS ago: the stats I posted above are from OFFICIAL sources (as well as the other stats I've posted). Yet, once again, you post NO linkage (official or otherwise) confirming yours.

And don'tcha love how SPACEBROTHER (aka, tweedle-dumb) doesn't contend my stats but instead posts unofficial stats that are almost all from strictly left-bias sources?

Funny shit. :roll:

And no, I don't like or own guns...

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:53 pm 
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Disco Boy wrote:

Dude, we went over this MONTHS ago: the stats I posted above are from OFFICIAL sources (as well as the other stats I've posted). Yet, once again, you post NO linkage (official or otherwise) confirming yours.




official smicial - official Bullshit..

Wherever YOUR 'stats' are from "..you post NO linkage (official or otherwise) confirming .." them?


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:57 am 
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SpaceBrother, I thought so.
You should ban him as I did. Let the poor little crétin alone with himself, the only friend he has.
No good will come out of him and you know it.
And the only facts he accepts are those he makes up along the way.

But I laughed when you described him as a friend in the Vegetable Kingdom.
A good one :lol:

I'm sure he will spit soon against me.
I'll have the pleasure of not reading him.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:13 am 
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I enjoyed the juxtaposition of these two "facts"...
Disco Boy wrote:
FACT:

After Australia's firearm ban in 1997, violent crime increased over 40% and rapes increased over 30%, yet the amount of deaths due to firearm related causes virtually remained the same.

[...]

FACT:

There are currently over 315 million people in the US, so of course there are technically more firearm related deaths than most, if not all other countries - where most only have a fraction of the population compared to the US.



.....as earlier, in the belief that the crime rate in Australia had dropped since 1996, DB had argued:

Disco Boy wrote:
As of 2011, Australia has over 22.6 million people and the US has over 311.6 million people.


So, if the crime rate falls in Australia after the introduction of gun control laws then it is not comparable with the situation in the US. If, however, it rises, then it is comparable to the situation in the US.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:46 am 
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The numbers and studies in the links I provided above ARE the official numbers and are from non-partisan sources. There is a 0% margin of error that weaker gun laws and higher gun ownerships per capita have the highest gun related crime rates per region. The gov'ts numbers confirm this, the CDC's numbers confirm this and law enforcement on the local level, state level, federal level, the FBI and the CIA numbers all confirm that as indisputable fact. I fail to see the humor with the OFFICIAL NUMBERS that prove with 100% accuracy that significantly higher gun related crime rates are committed where there are weak gun laws and higher ownerships per capita.

No matter how fervent one's use of a corporate sales pitch to move more product and increase profit margins, in this case, the gun industry and their corporate funded spokesmen, to try to spin away the official data that proves their product on the market is a significant contributor to million of deaths. The gun industry couldn't give a shit about the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. It's ALL about profit margins. They abuse and deliberately misinterpret the 2nd Amendment to sell product, nothing more and nothing less. The less regulations on their product means higher profit margins. The gun industry still makes their money, whether their product is purchased legally or illegally. Incidentally, the states with the highest rates of illegally trafficked guns are the same states with the weakest laws and highest ownerships per capita and have the highest crime rates per capita. There is no margin of error here.

These ARE the OFFICIAL numbers:
http://www.vpc.org/fadeathchart09.htm

http://www.vpc.org/press/0905gundeath.htm

...and this IS the OFFICIAL scientifically proven with a 0% margin of error conclusion:
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VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, "More guns means more gun death and injury. Fewer guns means less gun death and injury. It's a simple equation."

The VPC defined states with "weak" gun laws as those that add little or nothing to federal restrictions and have permissive concealed carry laws allowing civilians to carry concealed handguns. States with "strong" gun laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation in addition to federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and have restrictive concealed carry laws.



The gun industry sales pitch that more guns and less regulation lowers crime rates is no different from the tobacco industry sales pitch that claimed cigarettes didn't cause cancer. These businesses put profit margins above human life. If your stance is anti-war, but you are pro gun deregulation, you are the ultimate hypocrite and ignorant to not realize it's ALL about profit margins.

Regarding the argument that the overall national gun crime rate has dropped by those who support less regulation and higher ownership of firearms fail to take into account and/or mention that most of the states with the overall highest populations account for the highest level of regulation and lowest gun ownerships per capita. This affects the overall statistics nationally. You break the numbers down by region, weaker gun laws and higher ownerships per capita, and it's a completely different story. Gun related crime rates in states with less regulation and higher ownerships per capita have statistically and significantly increased.

FACT:

Mississippi has a 54.3 percent household gun ownership

New York has a 18.1 percent household gun ownership

that's 3 times higher the households that have guns in Mississippi than households in New York

FACT:

Mississippi has a 16.38 Gun Death Rate per 100,000

New York has a 5.20 Gun Death Rate per 100,000

that's 3 times higher the gun death rate per 100,000 in Mississippi than gun death rate per 100,000 in New York

FACT:

In simple algebraic terms - the ratio of gun ownerships per capita (X) gun laws & regulation is proportional to gun related crime rates


Basically, this is a proven theorem with a 0% margin of error. Math is funny, greed fueled murder is not funny.



I've proven my point indisputably. As per usual, Disco Dunce can't accept proven mathematical and scientific fact regarding gun issues. He's been duped by corporate funded propagandists. That's is indeed funny, and typically predictable.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:06 am 
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Fact: If there are no guns, nobody gets shot.
Fact: If there are guns, somebody could get shot.

Zero guns Zero shootings.

Guns = Shootings.


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I am so glad I live in the Progressive state of Oregon
Oregon: Legislature Adjourns 2014 Session with No Anti-Gun Legislation Passed

Last Friday, March 7, the Oregon legislature adjourned their 2014 session. Residents of Oregon can now rest easy knowing that their Second Amendment rights have remained intact. This session saw the introduction of a dangerous and misguided piece of anti-gun legislation, Senate Bill 1551, as well as the passage and pending enactment of two pro-gun bills, House Bill 4035 and House Bill 4068.

SB 1551 would have criminalized the lawful private transfer of firearms. This legislation was reported on several times by your NRA-ILA. Thanks to members across the great state of Oregon, SB 1551 was halted in the Senate Rules Committee. If passed, this legislation could have had a detrimental impact on the private transfer of firearms in the Beaver State. The NRA applauds and thanks those members of the state Senate who voted against this bill in committee, and the grassroots efforts of NRA members who made their opinions known.

HB 4035, sponsored by state Representative Jeff Barker (D-28), would permit a corrections officer with a valid concealed handgun license, who is not provided a locked and secure location within the correctional facility, to leave a locked firearm in their personal vehicle while they are in the correctional facility. HB 4035 has passed the House with a 53 to 4 vote, as well as the Senate with a 29 to 1 vote, and is currently awaiting the Governor’s signature.

House Bill 4068, sponsored by state Representative David Gomberg (D-10), seeks to correct inconsistencies in the law pertaining to CHL eligibility for those with a previous misdemeanor marijuana offense. HB 4068 has passed the House with a 57-0-3 vote, as well as unanimously in the Senate, and is currently awaiting the Governor’s signature.

Protection of your Second Amendment freedoms is of the highest importance to the NRA. The activism by members across the state of Oregon communicated the importance of these rights to the legislature and resulted in a productive 2014 session.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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FACT: Blind children are being denied the opportunity to play with firearms. In the USA!

FACT: Bullets are not considered a food product by the FDA.

FACT: Infants are being deprived of gun safety classes in 48 states!

FACT: That's a gun in my pocket, I'm not just happy to see you.

FACT: Many gun fanatics have never been shot in the face.


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:53 pm 
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SPACEBROTHER wrote:
These ARE the OFFICIAL numbers:


C'mon, mang. I take no side in this non issue but do you realize how silly you sound?

Here's a hint:
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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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Does anyone remember the original questioned posed when this thread was sterted???

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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Nevertheless... can't argue with the numbers if they tell the truth.

But I don't need to be shown numbers to believe that simple thing : less guns = less deaths.
But some obviousy need to be shown these numbers.
And some will never believe them.

Let'em spend a day with Nugent :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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Gray_Ghost wrote:
Fact: If there are no guns, nobody gets shot.
Fact: If there are guns, somebody could get shot.

Zero guns Zero shootings.


The above statement would only be correct if firearms had never been invented. But your above statement doesn't apply to the points I've made. I'll let you figure out why that is, genius.

Gray_Ghost wrote:
Guns = Shootings.


I'm talking about firearm related deaths. That's a BIG difference.



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STOP deluding yourselves. EVERY point I've made throughout this thread has been thoroughly researched, analyzed and PROVEN. There isn't a need to rehash the same argument over and over again. This thread is 36 pages long. Try reading it from the beginning sometime... :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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Disco Boy wrote:
FACT:

Chicago & Washington, DC have THE highest amounts of firearm-related murders of ANY cities in the US, yet they both have THE strictest gun laws.

FACT: (my fact's bigger than yours - ha ha)

Washington, DC is roughly 68 square miles, which means from its center-point, (stick with me, math wizards,) one need only travel less than four miles to reach two states where guns are easier to obtain: Maryland and (especially) Virginia.

factoid dimension

I'm not even sure I'm addressing whatever point you were trying to make.

[end of my discussion - feel free to attack at will]

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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Mr. Nice Guy wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
FACT:

Chicago & Washington, DC have THE highest amounts of firearm-related murders of ANY cities in the US, yet they both have THE strictest gun laws.

FACT: (my fact's bigger than yours - ha ha)

Washington, DC is roughly 68 square miles, which means from its center-point, (stick with me, math wizards,) one need only travel less than four miles to reach two states where guns are easier to obtain: Maryland and (especially) Virginia.

factoid dimension

I'm not even sure I'm addressing whatever point you were trying to make.

[end of my discussion - feel free to attack at will]

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I'm not sure why you think your above statement detracts from anything I've stated? In fact, I think it reinforces my point even more...

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:38 pm 
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Disco Boy wrote:
I'm not sure why you think your above statement detracts from anything I've stated.

I'm not sure why you think you're a mindreader, insofar as I didn't offer any opinion whatsoever in my post. I merely posted another FACT.

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SPACEBROTHER wrote:
These ARE the OFFICIAL numbers:


C'mon, mang. I take no side in this non issue but do you realize how silly you sound?

Here's a hint:
Official=Bullshit


The numbers come from the CDC and law enforcement databases. That's as official as it gets. Of course, the numbers from the gun industry and it's public relations support groups will downplay the statistics because they are in the business to profit from guns and ammo. They will always get their money, whether guns are acquired legitimately or illegally. Sellers who may have to deal with theft, more often than not are insured, so they still get their money.

If there is anything the official numbers don't take into account, it's the FACT that not all crimes go reported, so the actual gun related casualty numbers are absolutely and certainly higher than the official resources. Criminal on criminal crimes often go unreported.

Where the real bullshit lies will always be sourced from the pro-gun camp and the profiteers from the industry.


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Or your obsession with gun owners.

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My views, nor your defense of gun ownership and the industry change the fact that the states with the weakest gun laws and highest ownership of guns have the highest crime rates per capita.


Bottom line and FACT:

More guns + weak gun laws = higher gun crime rates per capita


You do understand that there is no grey area in that equation, right? Like it or not, it is conclusive with a 0% margin of error. :roll:



In FACT, South Dakota has a 9.77 percent gun related crime rate. Illinois has a 8.11 percent gun crime rate. Illinois has stricter gun laws and lower gun ownerships per capita than South Dakota, which is why the crime rate in SD is significantly higher than it is in IL.


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"He [John Paine] is deaf to the rationality of existing arrangements and constantly prey to the idea that because humans ought to be able to decide on a given problem using abstract reason—itself an often rather questionable premise—they will do so. Thus he despised bicameralism, and rejected checks and balances in constitution-making, not because he had any real insight into how laws should be made, but because he did not. He constantly calls for evidence, yet despises experience. His insistence on the power of reason becomes a recipe not for sober statesmanship, but for individual and generational arrogance...

It is not, then, as Levin suggests, “snobbery” to see Burke as a thinker and Paine as a pamphleteer; this is what they are. Nor is it snobbery to point out what many do not, that Paine was in many ways a rather scheming and unpleasant man who rarely retained the respect of his patrons."

book review: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... n-and-now/

and if you are confused about who is left and who is right:

Why the tea party thinks like Burke but talks like Paine (Yuval Levin explains)
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