Zappa.com

The Official Frank Zappa Messageboards
It is currently Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:24 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:27 pm
Posts: 5
Can someone please tell me where I can find the "Official Album Release List" as per the numbering system that the ZFT use. I've been to places like Wikipedia, but their discography doesn't tally up with numbers on the rear of the most recent CD's.

For example, QuAUDIOPHILIAc is supposed to be #74, but I can't work out how they get to that number.

Your help would be appreciated.

Thanks.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:46 pm 
Offline
Banned
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:25 pm
Posts: 4071
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland
http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/lyrics/index.html

It's #73 at the site, above. It's #74 on the official copy.

hmmmmmm

The newly released One Shot Deal paper catalogue insert has it as #74.

_________________
"If Frank Zappa cut a fart and mixed it to stereo, I'd buy it!" - jimmie d


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:27 pm
Posts: 5
Well at least Halloween, Corsage, Domage & QuAUDIOPHILIAc are in the right place, although not necessarily in the right order. Looks to me like Domage & QuAUDIOPHILIAc are the wrong way round, but otherwise correct.

Is that the officially recognised order of release list?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:59 pm 
Offline
Banned
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:25 pm
Posts: 4071
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland
h_k_hackenbacker wrote:
Well at least Halloween, Corsage, Domage & QuAUDIOPHILIAc are in the right place, although not necessarily in the right order. Looks to me like Domage & QuAUDIOPHILIAc are the wrong way round, but otherwise correct.

Is that the officially recognised order of release list?

According to The Official Frank Zappa Discography, which is included in a limited amount of shipments of the recently released One Shot Deal, they are numbered, as follows:

Halloween #71
Joe's Corsage #72
Joe's Domage #73
QuAUDIOPHILIAc #74

According to the dates in the Official Discography, not all of the albums were released in numerical order.

_________________
"If Frank Zappa cut a fart and mixed it to stereo, I'd buy it!" - jimmie d


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:07 am
Posts: 1346
Location: Paris, France
This is a recurrent question in this forum (see also this thread).

The last official discography I received in my mailbox mentions the following (this one is inline with the other ones I received in 2003 & 2004):

1. Freak Out! (Mothers of Invention) February 1966
2. Absolutely Free (FZ/Mothers of Invention) April 1967
3. Lumpy Gravy (Frank Zappa/Abnuceals Emuukha Electric Symphony Orchestra & Chorus) December 1967
4. We're Only In It For The Money (FZ/MOI) September 1968
5. Cruising With Ruben & The Jets (FZ/Mothers of Invention) November 1968
6. Uncle Meat (FZ/Mothers of Invention) March 1969
7. Mothermania (FZ/MOI) April 1969
8. Hot Rats (Frank Zappa) October 1969
9. Burnt Weeny Sandwich (FZ/Mothers of Invention) February 1970
10. Weasels Ripped My Flesh (FZ/Mothers of Invention) August 1970
11. Chunga's Revenge (Frank Zappa) October 1970
12. Fillmore East, June 1971 (FZ/Mothers) August 1971
13. 200 Motels (Frank Zappa) October 1971
14. Just Another Band From L.A. (FZ/Mothers) March 1972
15. Waka/Jawaka (Frank Zappa/Hot Rats) July 1972
16. The Grand Wazoo (FZ) November 1972
17. Over-Nite Sensation (FZ) September 1973
18. Apostrophe (') (Frank Zappa) March 1974
19. Roxy & Elsewhere (FZ) July 1974
20. One Size Fits All (Frank Zappa/Mothers of Invention) June 1975
21. Bongo Fury (Zappa/Beefheart) October 1975
22. Zoot Allures (FZ) October 1976
23. Zappa In New York (FZ) March 1978
24. Studio Tan (FZ) September 1978
25. Sleep Dirt (FZ) January 1979
26. Sheik Yerbouti (FZ) March 1979
27. Orchestral Favorites (FZ) May 1979
28. Joe's Garage Act I (FZ) September 1979
29. Joe's Garage Acts II & III (FZ) November 1979
30. Tinseltown Rebellion (FZ) May 1981
31. Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar (FZ) May 1981
32. Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar Some More (FZ) May 1981
33. Return Of The Son Of Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar (FZ) May 1981
34. You Are What You Is (FZ) September 1981
35. Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch (FZ) May 1982
Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar (The Box Set) May 1982
36. The Man From Utopia (FZ) March 1983
37. Baby Snakes (FZ) March 1983
38. London Symphony Orchestra, Vol. I (FZ) June 1983
39. The Perfect Stranger (Boulez/Zappa) August 1984
40. Them Or Us (FZ) October 1984
41. Thing-Fish (FZ) November 1984
42. Francesco Zappa (FZ) November 1984
43. The Old Masters, Box I April 1985
44. Frank Zappa Meets The Mothers Of Prevention (FZ) November 1985
45. Does Humor Belong In Music? (FZ) January 1986
46. The Old Masters, Box II November 1986
47. Jazz From Hell (FZ) November 1986
48. London Symphony Orchestra, Vol. II (FZ) June 1987
Joe's Garage Acts I, II & III (FZ) May 1987
49. The Old Masters, Box III December 1987
50. Guitar (FZ) April 1988
51. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. I (FZ) May 1988
52. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, The Helsinki Tapes, Vol. II (FZ) October 1988
53. Broadway The Hard Way (FZ) October 1988
54. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. III (FZ) November 1989
55. The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life (FZ) April 1991
56. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. IV (FZ) June 1991
57. Make A Jazz Noise Here (FZ) June 1991
58. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. V (FZ) July 1992
59. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. VI (FZ) July 1992
60. Playground Psychotics (FZ/Mothers) November 1992
61. Ahead Of Their Time (FZ/Mothers of Invention) March 1993
62. The Yellow Shark (Frank Zappa/Ensemble Modern) October 1993
63. Civilization Phaze III (Frank Zappa) December 1994
London Symphony Orchestra, Volumes I & II (FZ) April 1995
64. The Lost Episodes (Frank Zappa) February 1996
65. Läther (Frank Zappa) September 1996
66. Frank Zappa Plays The Music of Frank Zappa: A Memorial Tribute (FZ) November 1996
67. Have I Offended Someone? (Frank Zappa) May 1997
68. Mystery Disc (FZ) September 1998
69. EIHN (Everything Is Healing Nicely) (Zappa) December 1999
70. FZ:OZ (Zappa) August 2002
71. Halloween (Zappa) February 2003
72. Joe's Corsage (Frank Zappa) May 2004
73. Joe's Domage (Zappa) October 2004

74. QuAUDIOPHIILIAc (Zappa) September 2004
75. Joe's XMASage (Frank Zappa) December 2005
76. Imaginary Diseases (Frank Zappa) January 2006
77. MOFO [Deluxe] (FZ/The Mothers) October 2006
78. MOFO (FZ/The Mothers) October 2006
79. Trance-Fusion (Frank Zappa) October 2006
80. Buffalo (Zappa) April 2007
81. Dub Room Special (Zappa) August 2007
82. WAZOO (Zappa) October 2007
83. Joe's Corsaga #4 [we know this one is One Shot Deal]

There could be still debates about the official release dates.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:03 pm
Posts: 5908
Location: Pouting for you? Punky Meadows, pouting for you?!!
My guess is that the confusion over the numbers has to do with the difference between conception/completion dates and actual release dates. The ZFT may plan a release to happen in a certain way but in the real world things don't usually go exactly according to plan. Their own catalogue numbers seem to coincide with conception/completion dates.

For instance, Lumpy Gravy is number 3 and We're Only In It For The Money is number 4 in line with when FZ actually completed those albums. For reasons I'll skip, the release of Lumpy Gravy was delayed and I think FZ putting "Is this phase one of Lumpy Gravy" on the WOIIFTM cover was a concession to that delay so as not to confuse people.

Another example is that the MOFO releases were delayed but were intended to appear before Trance-Fusion.

_________________
The way I see it Barry, this should be a very dynamite show.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:27 pm
Posts: 5
Thanks for the replies.

I did have a look through the forum, as I guessed this topic had probably come up before, but I couldn't find what I was looking for.

Being new here, that was down to me not looking in the right place most likely.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:30 pm 
Offline
Administrator
Administrator
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:11 pm
Posts: 211
http://www.zappa.com/fz/discography/index.html

One Shot Deal is not Corsaga #4.

Mikey
zappa.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 7:29 pm
Posts: 9582
official

_________________
Image


Last edited by slime.oofytv.set on Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:27 pm
Posts: 5
Right, I think I have managed to get my head around that. Thank you everyone for your replies.

I now have a further question, and it's a big ask....

Imagine that I had just landed on Earth and I had no Zappa material whatsoever, which release, be it vinyl, tape, CD or otherwise, would be considered the definitive version of each entry in the discography?

For example, I know that there is an issue with the Ryko release I have of the combined WOIIFTM/LG due to remixes etc. but what should I replace it with?

I'm sure there are other albums that have suffered similarly.

Discuss.


Last edited by h_k_hackenbacker on Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:00 pm 
Offline
Administrator
Administrator
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:11 pm
Posts: 211
Thanks slime. I designed that discography flyer.

Although it was printed on the flyer that release #83 would be Corsaga #4, One Shot Deal isn't part of the corsaga. It was the next planned release at the time, but things change.

Mikey
zappa.com


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 7:29 pm
Posts: 9582
h_k_hackenbacker wrote:
...which release, be it vinyl, tape, CD or otherwise, would be considered the definitive version of each entry in the discography? ...


depends on how much of a completist you want to be; some are content with the 1 version they have, some prefer their 1st version over any subsequent variation, some gotta own them all, every last fucking insanist variation regardless if the differences are subtle or extreme [there's a 12-step program called zappaholics anonymous, check it out]

ya walk into a record store, & you're thinking; do ya have six versions of woiiftm or only five ¿ well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, kinda lost track, but being as this is the fz discography, the most powerful albums in the world, and will blow your head clean off, ya gotta be asking yourself: do i feel lucky ¿ well, do ya, punk



mikey wrote:
...I designed that discography flyer...
. . . . . . . . . just now noticed the montanasoon ... very cool

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:03 pm
Posts: 5908
Location: Pouting for you? Punky Meadows, pouting for you?!!
Hey, Slime, when did you get your flyer? I got mine with One Shot Deal but it only goes up to release 80 which says "Concert Release" (Buffalo of course). There's no Montanasoon. They must have run out of the latest ones and sent me an old one left lying around.

_________________
The way I see it Barry, this should be a very dynamite show.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:51 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:27 pm
Posts: 5
Thanks for the link.

I have them all in one version or another, I just don't want to be missing out on anything. I'll have a trawl through my collection and see if anything is in need of upgrading.

I presume I don't need to worry what version of Freak Out I have if I get the MOFO deluxe.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 7:29 pm
Posts: 9582
polydigm wrote:
...when did you get your flyer...

it came with the torture dvd, showed up around 3rd week in june; didn't there used to be a link to a .pdf version on the fz pages of zappa.com; 'the basement' maybe ¿


h_k_hackenbacker wrote:
...I presume I don't need to worry what version of Freak Out I have if I get the MOFO deluxe.
. . . . . . . .the 2-cd mofo has the original freak out; the 4-cd mofo is also efc [essential for completists] ... got mono ¿

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 15 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group