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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:07 am 
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I'm wondering what live recording captures Zappa at the earliest? Catch: it has to be obtainable by the average person. Thanks!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:58 pm 
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Here are two of some early recordings commonly heard being from 1963


Mount St. Mary's Concert Excerpt
from May of 1963 on appears on
The Lost Episodes
Frank Zappa
Official Release #64
Originally Released: February 1996
Produced by: FZ

http://www.zappa.com/fz/discography/199 ... sodes.html

Excerpt from Steve Allen Show
March 1963
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCCGeHz06U4

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:42 pm 
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Mount St. Mary's College, LA
May 19, 1963

* Variables II for Orchestra
* Variables I for Any Five Instruments
* Opus 5, for Four Orchestras
* Rehearsalism
* Three Pieces of Visual Music with Jazz Group

Official release(s):

* The Lost Episodes parts of "Opus 5" as Mount St. Mary's Concert Excerpt
* Video From Hell probably some of the 8mm movies as background for the videoclip of G-Spot Tornado

Tour(s) in which song has been performed (from the FZShows Homepage):

* 1963 Mount St. Mary's College, LA

Comments:

* The Original Concert Program
* Transcription
* The Lost Episodes Edit

FZ on an interview from the 1992 Zappa! tribute magazine (Keyboard and Guitar Player):

Actually, the first time I had any of it ["serious" music] performed was at Mount St. Mary's College in 1962. I spent $300 and got together a college orchestra, and I put on this little concert. Maybe less than a hundred people showed up for it, but the thing was actually taped and broadcast by KPFK. (...) By the time I graduated from high school in '58, I still hadn't written any rock and roll songs, although I had a little rock and roll band in my senior year. I didn't write any rock and roll stuff until I was in my 20s. All the music writing that I was doing was either chamber music or orchestral, and none of it ever got played until this concert at Mount St. Mary's.
Rip Rense on the liner notes of The Lost Episodes:

It took place in 1963 at, of all pastoral places, lovely Mount St. Mary's College, a private Catholic institution perched in the lush Santa Monica Mountains above West Los Angeles. (...) The program included a piece called "Opus 5," aleatoric works that required some improvisation, a piece for orchestra and taped electronic music, with accompanying visuals in the form of FZ's own experimental 8mm films (Motorhead Sherwood described one such film depicting the Los Angeles County Fair carnival, double exposed with passing telephone poles).

The Original Concert Program

MOUNT ST. MARY'S COLLEGE
DEPARTMENT OF MUSIC

presents

THE EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC
OF
FRANK ZAPPA

Sunday, May 19, 1963
8:30 p.m.

Little Theater

Mount St. Mary's College

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Program

I. Variables II for Orchestra
II. Variables I for Any Five Instruments

Intermission

III. Opus 5, for Four Orchestras
IV. Rehearsalism
V. Three Pieces of Visual Music with Jazz Group

Question and Answer Period

Tracklist:

1. (opening comments by Carlos Hagen)
2. Piece #2 of Visual Music 1957 for Jazz Ensemble and 16mm Projector
3. Piano Pieces from Opus 5
4. Collage #1 for Stringed Instruments
5. 2 Fragments of the Prepared Tape to be used in Opus 5
6. Opus 5
7. (question and answer session)
8. (closing comments by Carlos Hagen)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:55 am 
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OK, unless I am mistaken in my history, Zappa can be credited with inventing & pioneering experimental rock. He should get sole credit as being the first. I mean the Beatles didn't have Sgt. Pepper until 1967; they were not "experimental rock" until then. Why isn't Zappa widely, repeatedly, credited as the founder of experimental rock? Or is he, and I am just missing something?

Other candidates:
-The Monks, 1964, but I think they were just covering Chuck Berry and the like at the time.
-Velvet Underground, formed in 1965, but didn't record an album until 1967, so what where they performing in 65?
-The Fugs, did record in 1965, but I've never heard it, and can't judge if it was experimental rock.

Freak Out was 1966, but I think the evidence is pretty solid that Frank was more experimental early on than any of these others.

Note: the question is not whether the other candidates suck, but whether they were the first to perform/record experimental rock.

In my way of thinking, Rock was the great renewal of music in the 20th century, and experimental rock was the first "renewal" of that! (Yes, I'm obsessed with this idea of renewal). To me, this is mammoth in its significance.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:51 am 
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Freak Out. One of the very first rock concept albums ever made: maybe the first ever. It influenced both John & Paul on the SGTPLHC album. Now i don't understand all the hype bout the sgtplhcb album. A few tracks are ok..."Getting Better" i like alot, but its one album I don't care much for. Also this business top 10/100 best this, best that. You make your own mind up. I picked Zappa albums at random and made my own judgement. Like i do with all artists.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:47 pm 
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Tripmyster wrote:
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Mount St. Mary's College, LA
May 19, 1963

* Variables II for Orchestra
* Variables I for Any Five Instruments
* Opus 5, for Four Orchestras
* Rehearsalism
* Three Pieces of Visual Music with Jazz Group

Official release(s):

* The Lost Episodes parts of "Opus 5" as Mount St. Mary's Concert Excerpt
* Video From Hell probably some of the 8mm movies as background for the videoclip of G-Spot Tornado

Tour(s) in which song has been performed (from the FZShows Homepage):

* 1963 Mount St. Mary's College, LA

Comments:

* The Original Concert Program
* Transcription
* The Lost Episodes Edit

FZ on an interview from the 1992 Zappa! tribute magazine (Keyboard and Guitar Player):

Actually, the first time I had any of it ["serious" music] performed was at Mount St. Mary's College in 1962. I spent $300 and got together a college orchestra, and I put on this little concert. Maybe less than a hundred people showed up for it, but the thing was actually taped and broadcast by KPFK. (...) By the time I graduated from high school in '58, I still hadn't written any rock and roll songs, although I had a little rock and roll band in my senior year. I didn't write any rock and roll stuff until I was in my 20s. All the music writing that I was doing was either chamber music or orchestral, and none of it ever got played until this concert at Mount St. Mary's.
Rip Rense on the liner notes of The Lost Episodes:

It took place in 1963 at, of all pastoral places, lovely Mount St. Mary's College, a private Catholic institution perched in the lush Santa Monica Mountains above West Los Angeles. (...) The program included a piece called "Opus 5," aleatoric works that required some improvisation, a piece for orchestra and taped electronic music, with accompanying visuals in the form of FZ's own experimental 8mm films (Motorhead Sherwood described one such film depicting the Los Angeles County Fair carnival, double exposed with passing telephone poles).

The Original Concert Program

MOUNT ST. MARY'S COLLEGE
DEPARTMENT OF MUSIC

presents

THE EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC
OF
FRANK ZAPPA

Sunday, May 19, 1963
8:30 p.m.

Little Theater

Mount St. Mary's College

---------------------------------------

Program

I. Variables II for Orchestra
II. Variables I for Any Five Instruments

Intermission

III. Opus 5, for Four Orchestras
IV. Rehearsalism
V. Three Pieces of Visual Music with Jazz Group

Question and Answer Period

Tracklist:

1. (opening comments by Carlos Hagen)
2. Piece #2 of Visual Music 1957 for Jazz Ensemble and 16mm Projector
3. Piano Pieces from Opus 5
4. Collage #1 for Stringed Instruments
5. 2 Fragments of the Prepared Tape to be used in Opus 5
6. Opus 5
7. (question and answer session)
8. (closing comments by Carlos Hagen)


thanks really cool..... :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:06 am 
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Imho Freak Out! ain't even experimental Bit Doo Wop some Western movie style and childish stuff.

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the muthers/power trio live at the saint 'n sinners, ontario, ca ~1964 from joe's xmasage, my fav of the joe's series ... a short excerpt from same gig also appears on the mystery disc

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What about http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/Cuca ... (1962-1964) ? Which were the '62 tracks?


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