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From Pollstar Magazine & Billboard Boxscore (all prices in USD, unless otherwise noted):


Manchester, UK
Carling Apollo
June 1, 2006
Capacity: 3,500
Attendance: 3,273
Gross: $140,888
Average Ticket Price: $43.04

London, UK
Royal Albert Hall
June 2, 2006
Capacity: 3,585
Attendance: 2,679
Gross: $243,307
Average Ticket Price: $90.82

Upper Darby, PA (Philadelphia)
Tower Theater
June 11, 2006
Capacity: 3,064
Attendance: 2,679
Gross: $143,180
Average Ticket Price: $53.44

New York City, NY
Beacon Theater
June 12, 2006
Capacity: 2,900
Sold Out
Gross: $176,134
Average Ticket Price: $60.73

Boston, MA
Orpheum Theater
June 13, 2006
Capacity: 2,752
Sold Out
Gross: $106,274
Average Ticket Price: $38.61

Rochester, MI (Detroit)
Meadowbrook Music Festival
June 15, 2006
Capacity: 7,700
Attendance: 3,769
Gross: $107,605
Average Ticket Price: $28.55

Toronto, ON
Hummingbird Centre
June 16, 2006
Capacity: 3,026
Sold Out
Gross: $158,680 ($180,047 Canadian)
Average Ticket Price: $59.50 Canadian

Las Vegas, NV
House Of Blues
June 20, 2006
Capacity: 1,221
Attendance: 805
Gross: $46,965
Average Ticket Price: $58.34

Phoenix, AZ
Dodge Theater
June 21, 2006
Capacity: 3,149
Attendance: 2,339
Gross: $90,539
Average Ticket Price: $38.70

Anaheim, CA (Los Angeles)
House Of Blues
June 22, 2006
Capacity: 1,048
Attendance: Sold Out
Gross: $47,380
Average Ticket Price: $45.21

Los Angeles, CA
The Wiltern Theater
June 23, 2006
Capacity: 2,305
Attendance: Sold Out
Gross: $92,248
Average Ticket Price: $40.02

San Francisco, CA
Warfield Theater
June 24, 2006
Capacity: 2,344
Attendance: Sold Out
Gross: $94,285
Average Ticket Price: $40.22

Minneapolis, MN
Orpheum Theater
October 20, 2006
Capacity: 2,579
Attendance: 2,068
Gross: $89,663
Average Ticket Price: $43.34

Buffalo, NY
Center For The Performing Arts
October 23, 2006
Capacity: 1,666
Attendance: 1,608
Gross: $76,024
Average Ticket Price: $47.27

Providence, RI
Performing Arts Center
October 25, 2006
Capacity: 3,056
Attendance: 2,097
Gross: $93,973
Average Ticket Price: $44.81

Atlantic City, NJ
The Borgata
October 27, 2006
Capacity: 1,701
Sold Out
Gross: $82,225
Average Ticket Price: $48.33

Wallingford, CT (Hartford)
Chevrolet Theater
October 29, 2006
Capacity: 3,670
Attendance: 3,366
Gross: $122,378
Average Ticket Price: $36.35

New York City, NY
Theater @ Madison Square Garden
October 31, 2006
Capacity: 5,452
Attendance: 4,803
Gross: $285,758
Average Ticket Price: $59.88

Boca Raton, FL (Miami)
Mizner Park Amphitheater
December 10, 2006
Capacity: 2,000
Attendance: 1,555
Gross: $86,553
Average Ticket Price: $55.66

Atlanta, GA
Tabernacle
December 12, 2006
Capacity: 2,562
Attendance: 1,577
Gross: $57,253
Average Ticket Price: $36.31

Grand Prairie, TX (Dallas)
Nokia Theater
December 16, 2006
Capacity: 2,093
Attendance: 1,444
Gross: $80,119
Average Ticket Price: $55.48

New Orleans, LA
House Of Blues
December 18, 2006
Capacity: 1,000
Attendance: 844
Gross: $39,190
Average Ticket Price: $46.43

While they're not complete stats for the entire tour, here's a round up of the stats for 20 of the 34 North American shows last year:

Gross: $1,446,426
Attendance: 44,740
Average Ticket Price: $32.33
Average Gross Per Show: $72,321
Average Attendance Per Show: 2,237

Here’s what it would basically look like if we had the complete stats from all 34 North American shows last year:

Gross: $2.6 million
Attendance: 70,000
Average Ticket Price: $37.14
Average Gross Per Show: $76,470
Average Attendance Per Show: 2,058

And consequently, with the UK/European leg added, the overall gross for the entire 2006 Zappa Plays Zappa tour is basically between $5-5.5 million.

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Venue/City/State/Event/Dates/Gross/Sales/Attendance/Capacity/Shows/Sellouts/Prices/Average Ticket Price/Promoters

Centennial Concert Hall
Winnipeg, Manitoba
July 18, 2007
$44,460
796 /
2,313
1 /
0
$62.77, $34.02
$55.85
Live Nation

Civic Opera House
Chicago, IL
July 20, 2007
$120,745
2,531 /
3,600
1 /
0
$63, $43
$47.70
Live Nation

Egyptian Room, Murat Centre
Indianapolis, IN
July 22, 2007
$43,265
1,101 /
1,450
1 /
0
$55, $45
$39.30
Live Nation

Byham Theatre
Pittsburgh, PA
July 25, 2007
$16,960
525 /
1,220
1 /
0
$34.50, $29
$32.30
Live Nation

Lifestyle Communities Pavilion
Columbus, OH
July 26, 2007
$25,805
793 /
4,500
1 /
0
$45, $20
$32.54
PromoWest Productions

Meadow Brook Music Festival
Rochester, MI (Detroit)
July 27, 2007
$66,830
3,075 /
7,700
1 /
0
$45, $30, $20, $10
$21.73
Palace Sports & Entertainment

Cain Park, Evans Amphitheatre
Cleveland Heights, OH
July 28, 2007
$49,770
1,387 /
2,303
1 /
0
$49.50, $21.25
$35.88
Live Nation

Hummingbird Centre
Toronto, Ontario
July 30, 2007
$97,826
1,816 /
2,000
1 /
0
$58.75, $29.38
$53.87
Live Nation

Metropolis
Montreal, Quebec
July 31, 2007
$88,986
1,741 /
1,741
1 /
1
$51.11
$51.11
Gillett Entertainment Group/Greenland Productions

Salle Albert Rousseau
Quebec City, Quebec
Aug. 1, 2007
$73,287
1,152 /
1,152
1 /
1
$65.31, $55.91
$63.62
Gillett Entertainment Group

Bank of America Pavilion
Boston, MA
Aug. 4, 2007
$75,120
2,148 /
5,036
1 /
0
$45, $30
$34.97
Live Nation

Count Basie Theatre
Red Bank, NJ (NYC metro area)
Aug. 5, 2007
$59,903
967 /
1,549
1 /
0
$62.50, $27
$61.95
AEG Live

North Fork Theatre at Westbury
Westbury, NY (Long Island)
Aug. 6, 2007
$139,612
2,468 /
2,800
1 /
0
$79, $50
$56.57
Live Nation

The Fillmore-TLA
Philadelphia, PA
Aug. 8, 2007
$29,440
959 /
1,000
1 /
0
$37, $35
$30.70
Live Nation

Kiva Auditorium, Albuquerque Convention Center
Albuquerque, NM
Aug. 15, 2007
$37,328
1,024 /
2,322
1 /
0
$67, $37
$36.45
Live Nation

Fox Tucson Theatre
Tucson, AZ
Aug. 16, 2007
$35,296
720 /
1,164
1 /
0
$104, $47.50
$49.02
Live Nation

Dodge Theatre
Phoenix, AZ
Aug. 17, 2007
$64,376
2,135 /
3,145
1 /
0
$62, $34.50
$30.15
Live Nation

House of Blues
Las Vegas, NV
Aug. 18, 2007
$36,427
627 /
1,187
1 /
0
$65, $42
$58.10
House of Blues

Berkeley Community Theatre
Berkeley, CA (San Francisco)
Aug. 20, 2007
$100,368
2,318 /
3,479
1 /
0
$49.50, $39.50
$43.30
Live Nation

House of Blues
San Diego, CA
Aug. 21, 2007
$32,595
439 /
900
1 /
0
$65, $62
$74.25
House of Blues

House of Blues
Anaheim, CA (Los Angeles)
Aug. 22, 2007
$26,747
565 /
1,050
1 /
0
$150, $50
$47.34
House of Blues

Wiltern Theater
Los Angeles, CA
Aug. 23, 2007
$60,954
1,554 /
2,045
1 /
0
$59.50, $15
$39.22
Live Nation

Shepherds Bush Empire
London, England
Sept. 25, 2007
$119,852
1,692 /
1,700
1 /
0
$70.83
$70.83
3A Entertainment

Beacon Theatre
New York, NY
Oct. 31, 2007
$184,806
2,731 /
2,853
1 /
0
$96, $39.50
$67.67
Live Nation

Chevrolet Theatre
Wallingford, CT (Hartford)
Nov. 1, 2007
$63,400
1,853 /
3,632
1 /
0
$43.50, $33.50
$34.21
Live Nation

Providence Performing Arts Center
Providence, RI
Nov. 4, 2007
$53,577
1,093 /
2,243
1 /
0
$99.50, $32.50
$49.02
Live Nation/in-house

Verizon Wireless Theater
Houston, Texas
Nov. 12, 2007
$39,663
1,142 /
2,401
1 /
0
$53, $39
$34.73
Live Nation

Hogg Auditorium
Austin, Texas
Nov. 13, 2007
$48,263
975 /
1,100
1 /
0
$49.50
$49.50
C3 Presents

Palladium Ballroom
Dallas, Texas
Nov. 14, 2007
$28,123
512 /
797
1 /
0
$55, $47.50
$54.93
AEG Live

The Fillmore
Denver, CO
Nov. 16, 2007
$66,107
1,688 /
2,650
1 /
0
$45
$39.16
Live Nation

Paramount Theatre
Seattle, WA
Nov. 19, 2007
$82,823
1,624 /
2,807
1 /
0
$66.50, $36.50
$51
LiveNation

Orpheum Theatre
Vancouver, British Columbia
Nov. 20, 2007
$106,377
1,763 /
2,787
1 /
0
$67.09, $46.60
$60.34
Live Nation

Southern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium
Calgary, Alberta
Nov. 22, 2007
$73,926
1,345 /
2,471
1 /
0
$60.50, $46.27
$54.96
Live Nation

Northern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium
Edmonton, Alberta
Nov. 23, 2007
$53,969
993 /
2,458
1 /
0
$60.45, $46.23
$54.35
Live Nation


North American Totals:

$2,127,314 from 33 shows
$64,464 on average per show

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House of Blues
New Orleans, LA
June 11, 2008
$17,119
469 /
1,000
1 /
0
$36.50
$36.50
House of Blues

Elements
Kitchener, Ontario
July 4, 2008
$33,566
831 /
1,100
1 /
0
$44.32, $41.86
$40.39
Live Nation

Capital One Bank Theatre at Westbury
Westbury, NY
Aug. 8, 2008
$104,948
1,559 /
2,800
1 /
0
$90, $69
$67.32
Live Nation

Morse Theatre
Chicago, IL
Oct. 17-19, 2008
$99,465
825 /
825
3 /
3
$145, $115
$120.56
Live Nation

Michigan Theatre
Ann Arbor, MI
Oct. 20, 2008
$33,838
931 /
1,626
1 /
0
$45, $20
$36.34
Live Nation/in-house

Mod Club Theatre
Toronto, Ontario
Oct. 22, 2008
$43,471
451 /
500
1 /
0
$120.76, $41.64
$96.39
Live Nation

Amphitheatre du Gesu
Montreal, Quebec
Oct. 24-25, 2008
$61,084
651 /
790
2 /
0
$115.18, $91.35
$93.83
Gillett Entertainment Group/Greenland Productions

Blender Theatre at Gramercy
New York, NY
Oct. 29-31, 2008
$124,870
1,074 /
1,169
3 /
1
$150, $115
$116.27
Live Nation

Les Claypool, Zappa Plays Zappa, Tim Fite
War Memorial Opera House
San Francisco, CA
Dec. 31, 2008
$151,019
1,793 /
3,152
1 /
0
$220, $69
$84.23
Goldenvoice/AEG Live


North American Totals:

$518,361 from 13 shows
$39,874 on average per show

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McPherson Playhouse
Victoria, British Columbia
Jan. 5, 2009
$37,626
638 /
638
1 /
1
$82.23, $61.47
$58.97
Live Nation

Arts Club Theatre
Vancouver, British Columbia
Jan. 6, 2009
$41,622
434 /
434
1 /
1
$111.92, $95.34
$95.90
Live Nation

Dodge Theatre
Phoenix, AZ
Feb. 26, 2009
$51,578
1,467 /
2,087
1 /
0
$65, $45
$35.16
Live Nation

House of Blues
Las Vegas, NV
Feb. 27, 2009
$37,054
659 /
1,237
1 /
0
$65, $37
$56.23
House of Blues

House of Blues
San Diego, CA
March 1, 2009
$29,526
621 /
1,000
1 /
0
$102, $42
$47.54
House of Blues

Rio Theatre
Santa Cruz, CA
March 4, 2009
$35,819
689 /
689
1 /
1
$89.50, $55.50
$51.99
Live Nation

Crest Theatre
Sacramento, CA
March 6, 2009
$47,912
932 /
941
1 /
0
$89.50, $45.50
$51.41
Live Nation

Wells Fargo Center for the Arts
Santa Rosa, CA
March 7, 2009
$69,400
1,428 /
1,603
1 /
0
$101.50, $37.50
$48.60
Live Nation

Cirkus
Stockholm, Sweden
June 11, 2009
$98,062
1,462 /
1,552
1 /
0
$65.27
$67.07
Live Nation International

O2 Shepherd’s Bush Empire
London, U.K.
June 14, 2009
$93,786
1,729 /
1,800
1 /
0
$57.57, $28.79
$54.24
3A Entertainment

Symphony Hall
Birmingham, U.K.
June 15, 2009
$41,324
990 /
1,200
1 /
0
$46.88, $23.44
$41.74
3A Entertainment

Colston Hall
Bristol, U.K.
June 16, 2009
$57,272
1,341 /
1,580
1 /
0
$46.62, $23.31
$42.71
3A Entertainment

House of Blues
Cleveland, OH
July 3, 2009
$25,116
704 /
1,200
1 /
0
$79.50, $29.50
$35.68
House of Blues

Lifestyle Communities Pavilion
Columbus, OH
July 8, 2009
$22,550
998 /
3,500
1 /
0
$35, $15
PromoWest Productions

Sound Board Theater at MotorCity Casino
Detroit, MI
July 9, 2009
$32,929
937 /
1,560
1 /
0
$44, $41
$35.14
in-house

Stubb’s Waller Creek Amphitheatre
Austin, TX
Nov. 19, 2009
$19,925
939 /
2,200
1 /
0
$25, $15
$21.22
C3 Presents

House of Blues
Dallas, TX
Nov. 20, 2009
$35,990
780 /
1,625
1 /
0
$75, $35
$46.14
House of Blues/C3 Presents

House of Blues
Houston, TX
Nov. 21, 2009
$31,170
800 /
1,529
1 /
0
$55, $30
$38.96
House of Blues/C3 Presents

MontBleu Resort Casino
Lake Tahoe, NV
Nov. 27, 2009
$51,067
1,198 /
2,708
2 /
0
$99.50, $32.50
$42.63
Live Nation

Rio Theatre
Santa Cruz, CA
Dec. 2, 2009
$37,588
695 /
695
1 /
1
$59.50
$54.08
Live Nation


North American Totals:

$606,872 from 16 shows
$37,930 on average per night

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The Ritz Ybor
Tampa, FL
Jan. 9, 2010
$18,203
776 /
1,500
1 /
0
$43, $21
$23.46
Live Nation/No Clubs

Moore Theater
Seattle, WA
June 14, 2010
$36,101
804 /
1,532
1 /
0
$87, $22.50
$44.90
Seattle Theatre Group

Showboat House of Blues
Atlantic City, NJ
June 27, 2010
$28,805
813 /
2,390
1 /
0
$40, $30
$35.43
House of Blues/C3 Presents/Harrah’s

Capitol Theatre
Moncton, New Brunswick
July 5, 2010
$34,165
608 /
782
1 /
0
$70.10, $55.98, $41.87
$56.19
evenko

Rebecca Cohn Auditorium
Halifax, NS
July 6, 2010
$35,965
668 /
856
1 /
0
$70.03, $55.93, $39.95
$53.84
Evenko

Warfield Theatre
San Francisco, CA
Dec. 1, 2010
$65,615
1,371 /
2,254
1 /
0
$89.50, $44.50
$47.86
Goldenvoice/AEG Live

Knitting Factory
Reno, NV
Dec. 2, 2010
$17,252
559 /
1,185
1 /
0
$74, $25
$30.86
Knitting Factory Presents

The Music Box
Hollywood, CA
Dec. 3 & 4, 2010
$58,861
1,216 /
2,400
2 /
0
$84.50, $20
$48.41
Goldenvoice/AEG Live

Le Grand Theatre de Quebec
Quebec City, Quebec
Dec. 13, 2010
$79,213
1,115 /
1,400
1 /
0
$88.66, $73.80, $68.84, $58.94
$71.04
evenko

Beacon Theatre
New York, NY
Dec. 17, 2010
$172,590
2,709 /
2,794
1 /
0
$95, $70, $45, $35
$63.71
Live Nation


North American Totals:

$537,770 from 11 shows
$48,888 on average per night


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Return to Forever IV, Zappa Plays Zappa
Stage AE
Pittsburgh, Pa.
Aug. 7, 2011
$41,195
1,222 /
4,500
1 /
0
$35, $17.50
PromoWest Productions

Return to Forever IV, Zappa Plays Zappa
Mann Center for the Performing Arts
Philadelphia, Pa.
Aug. 10, 2011
$152,066
2,534 /
4,421
1 /
0
$99.50, $29.50
AEG Live/in-house

Return to Forever IV, Zappa Plays Zappa
Beacon Theatre
New York, N.Y.
Aug. 12-13, 2011
$305,510
4,050 /
5,556
2 /
0
$125, $75, $65, $45
AEG Live/Concerts East

Return to Forever IV, Zappa Plays Zappa
Lifestyle Communities Pavilion
Columbus, Ohio
Aug. 16, 2011
$39,235
1,179 /
3,500
1 /
0
$35, $17.50
PromoWest Productions

Return to Forever IV, Zappa Plays Zappa
Meadow Brook Music Festival
Rochester, Mich.
Aug. 19, 2011
$103,538
2,956 /
7,701
1 /
0
$99.50, $45, $35, $15
Live Nation/Palace Sports and Entertainment

Return to Forever IV, Zappa Plays Zappa
Fox Theatre
Atlanta, Ga.
Sept. 8, 2011
$87,942
1,540 /
4,430
1 /
0
$97, $32
Steve Litman Presents

Return to Forever IV, Zappa Plays Zappa
Ruth Eckerd Hall
Clearwater, Fla.
Sept. 11, 2011
$105,722
1,677 /
2,013
1 /
0
$103, $52.75
Live Nation/in-house

Return to Forever IV, Zappa Plays Zappa
Verizon Theatre
Grand Prairie, Texas
Sept. 14, 2011
$79,483
1,160 /
2,164
1 /
0
$89.50, $79.50, $59.50
AEG Live

Return to Forever IV, Zappa Plays Zappa
Greek Theatre
Los Angeles, Calif.
Sept. 20, 2011
$173,398
3,759 /
5,813
1 /
0
$90, $15
Nederlander Concerts

Return to Forever IV, Zappa Plays Zappa
Warfield Theatre
San Francisco, Calif.
Sept. 22, 2011
$117,968
1,442 /
2,374
1 /
0
$102.50, $45.25
Goldenvoice/AEG Live


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Mill City Nights
Minneapolis, Minn.
Dec. 7, 2012
$18,581
660 /
1,143
1 /
0
$65, $13.50
$28.15
AEG Live

Harrah's Horseshoe Whiskey Roadhouse
Council Bluffs, Iowa
Dec. 9, 2012
$16,175
647 /
650
1 /
0
$25
C3 Presents/Caesars World Entertainment

Harrah's VooDoo Lounge
North Kansas City, Mo.
Dec. 13, 2012
$12,635
305 /
764
1 /
0
$50, $25
$41.43
C3 Presents/Caesars World Entertainment

Knitting Factory
Boise, Idaho
Dec. 19, 2012
$9,866
332 /
999
1 /
0
$68, $24
$29.72
Knitting Factory Presents


North American Totals:

$57,257 from 4 shows
$14,314 on average per night


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Stubb's Bar-B-Q
Austin, Texas
Jan. 26, 2013
$28,698
1,130 /
2,200
1 /
0
$27, $25
$25.40
C3 Presents

Harrah's
Atlantic City, N.J.
Feb. 8, 2013
$44,470
895 /
1,205
1 /
0
$50, $30
$49.69
C3 Presents/Caesars World Entertainment

Virgin Mobile Corona Theatre
Montreal, Quebec
Feb. 10, 2013
$34,097
796 /
796
1 /
1
$72.32, $37.41
$42.84
evenko/Greenland Productions

Royal Oak Music Theatre
Royal Oak, Mich.
Oct. 18, 2013
$31,334
798 /
1,039
1 /
0
$75, $42, $32
$39.27
AEG Live

Imperial de Quebec
Quebec City, Quebec
Oct. 27, 2013
$32,964
710 /
900
1 /
0
$71.74, $43.05
$46.43
Evenko

Beacon Theatre
New York, N.Y.
Oct. 31, 2013
$160,970
2,465 /
2,796
1 /
0
$124.50, $94.50, $69.50, $34.50
$65.30
Live Nation


North American Totals:

$332,533 from 6 shows
$55,422 on average per night


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Regency Center Grand Ballroom
San Francisco, Calif.
Feb. 5, 2014
$37,668
796 /
1,424
1 /
0
$85, $42.50
$47.32
Goldenvoice/AEG Live

House of Blues
Atlantic City, N.J.
March 8, 2014
$42,870
890 /
1,500
1 /
0
$51, $31
$48.16
C3 Presents/Caesars Entertainment


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Grand North American Totals from 119 shows (excluding the RTF IV / ZPZ shows):

$6,066,154

$50,976 on average per night


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I'll post additional Zappa Plays Zappa tour attendances/grosses when I receive more info...

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Well I'll say this. I didn't see hundreds of seats empty at the Philly show. And on top of that, something was weird at the box office. I was standing at the door next to the ticket office for an hour or so before they opened the doors. Two different people walked up to the ticket window when I first took my place in line and asked if tickets for the show were still available. The ticket lady said 'no it's sold out.'
Then right before they opened the doors a few last minute people asked about tickets and were told they were still available. I first hand witnessed the transaction. Made me feel bad for the people who had asked earlier and were told the show was sold out. They missed an awesome show.


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Well I'll say this. I didn't see hundreds of seats empty at the Philly show. And on top of that, something was weird at the box office. I was standing at the door next to the ticket office for an hour or so before they opened the doors. Two different people walked up to the ticket window when I first took my place in line and asked if tickets for the show were still available. The ticket lady said 'no it's sold out.'
Then right before they opened the doors a few last minute people asked about tickets and were told they were still available. I first hand witnessed the transaction. Made me feel bad for the people who had asked earlier and were told the show was sold out. They missed an awesome show.


Probably all part of the fucking Ticketmaster online scam. Holding good seats for "ticket services" (scalpers) etc... and screwing the real fans every possible chance they get.

For instance... I recently went online day of sale for RHCP. My daughter wanted to go. 10am comes.... I log on to TM web site and 1 min after 10 the only seats left are second level in the back of the arena. THEN 2 hours later a whole shit load of the BEST SEATS are on eBay thru the scumbag "services". Foul play??? FUCK YES!!!

Ticketmaster is a fucking horrible company. FUCK THEM!!! SCUM!!

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Yes, that's common Trenny. Also common these days are the ticketmaster practices where they hold and 'sell' a number of tix to pre-designated clients, like jaypfunk is speaking of. some they hold for the venue, some they hold for the booking agent, some for the artist, some for promo purposes (whether booking, venue or ticket providers).
The way I understand it, or [full disclosure] what I've been able to figure out from anecdotes here and there, ticketmaster/clear channel etc, booking agents, the artists and the venues all have to work together to get what they want. It all depends on the 'workability' of the various contracts made between these organizations.
Ticketmaster/clear channel want to sell tickets. They also know you have to spend money to make money. But they want to be able to spend as little as possible and make as much as possible by the end of the day. One of the methods is holding tix for day-of-show sale. But here the ticket makers aren't directly involved with their dispersal at the day-of-the-show. It's the venue employees who usually do that or possibly the booking agent reps taking/selling tix. Though even these people are SUPPOSED to know their responsbilities in the contracts between the main actors -- the venue, the bookies, the artist, and ticketmaster -- they don't always know, say, the 'when' of the dispersal of whichever tix.
Another method apparently, is the ticket makers holding tix and their designates selling them on ebay or wherever they can get the biggest bang for the buck. didn't I see some of these for zpz? I'd be curious to see who they might be or, that is, for whom.
It may be ticketmasters flunkies doing this for themselves as jayp called attention to. I'd also like to see relevant legal definitions of this stuff. But I'm a nerd like that.
I don't have anything nice to say about ticketmaster or clear channel and the rest. 'Ass-licking shill-sellers' comes to mind. I especially vomit a little everytime I see the 'processing fee'. I've often wondered who's 'health care' bill I'm payin for :roll:
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The Detroit facility is outdoor, with both reserved pavilion seating and lawn seats. I don't know if the capacity includes the lawn, but I bet it does. Who the hell wants to sit on the lawn when zpz plays?

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TicketAsster SUCKS. Your screwed either way you go. Buy tickets for face value the moment tickets go on sale in end up with shit seats in the rafters, or pay out the ass for good seats being held by 'ticket brokers.'

I'll be honest, I went the ticket broker way for the Philly show. Paid a lot, but got great seats.
I talked to the guy beside me and asked him about his tickets. Same deal as me. I also talked to the people in front of me. Ticket broker tickets too.

There's no more 'luck of the draw.' Reserved seating started as a 'safety' idea and has turned into typical American Over-Capitiatlism.
No wonder general admission shows are few and far between. You can't make as much money off of it. And people wonder why fans don't go out to see more bands live.


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But by the looks of things, the vast majority of the fans there were Michiganians.


That would be "Michigander." This former Wolverine is in CA now so was able to be part of the general admission crowd to LA and SF. Hope they add local kick off date to fall tour.


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The Detroit facility is outdoor, with both reserved pavilion seating and lawn seats. I don't know if the capacity includes the lawn, but I bet it does.


It does.

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Who the hell wants to sit on the lawn when zpz plays?


I wouldn't.

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Disco Boy wrote:
But by the looks of things, the vast majority of the fans there were Michiganians.


That would be "Michigander."


Good to know. :wink:


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This former Wolverine is in CA now so was able to be part of the general admission crowd to LA and SF. Hope they add local kick off date to fall tour.


If this tour has return engagements later this year (probably in November) for the above mentioned markets, they'll most likely be scheduled at The Fillmore in San Francisco (1,300) and at The Mayan Theater (1,400) or the House Of Blues (1,100) in LA...

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Trennasol wrote:
Well I'll say this. I didn't see hundreds of seats empty at the Philly show. And on top of that, something was weird at the box office. I was standing at the door next to the ticket office for an hour or so before they opened the doors. Two different people walked up to the ticket window when I first took my place in line and asked if tickets for the show were still available. The ticket lady said 'no it's sold out.'
Then right before they opened the doors a few last minute people asked about tickets and were told they were still available. I first hand witnessed the transaction. Made me feel bad for the people who had asked earlier and were told the show was sold out. They missed an awesome show.


Probably all part of the fucking Ticketmaster online scam. Holding good seats for "ticket services" (scalpers) etc... and screwing the real fans every possible chance they get.

For instance... I recently went online day of sale for RHCP. My daughter wanted to go. 10am comes.... I log on to TM web site and 1 min after 10 the only seats left are second level in the back of the arena. THEN 2 hours later a whole shit load of the BEST SEATS are on eBay thru the scumbag "services". Foul play??? FUCK YES!!!

Ticketmaster is a fucking horrible company. FUCK THEM!!! SCUM!!



Yeah Man, same shit happened to me when I got tickets for The Beacon gig. I got 1 ticket to begin with, it was lower balcony, then I had to buy a nother single, which was orch left seating. So I kept the orch and sold lower balc. The point is, why didn't I get the better seat earlier as opposed too later?

WHAT'S HAPPENED TO BROADWAY?
WHERE'S IT GONE, ALL THE GLITTER?
THE 'HEART' AND THE 'SOUL'
THE PATTER?
THE PITTER?


Ticketmaster throws theater piss on their patrons.

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I wanted balcony seats but they wern't available. so I bought Gen admision seats and then 10 hours later I could have gotten the balcony seats I wanted.

Fuck Ticket Master! fucking 10 bucks service charge!

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The more I think about it, I can't get my mind wrapped around the attendence figures above and the fact that the morning of the Philly show there was a sign taped up at the ticket office stating that the ZPZ show was sold out. There's roughly a 300 or so ticket differnce between the attendance figures and the capacity. So that leads to my question of 'how much money did the ZPZ tour get screwed out of by Ticketmaster?


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The more I think about it, I can't get my mind wrapped around the attendence figures above and the fact that the morning of the Philly show there was a sign taped up at the ticket office stating that the ZPZ show was sold out. There's roughly a 300 or so ticket differnce between the attendance figures and the capacity. So that leads to my question of 'how much money did the ZPZ tour get screwed out of by Ticketmaster?


VIP/comp tickets are held by promoters & artists for concerts all the time. And if they don't get used, they get thrown back into the pot and hence are available to the public..

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I'd be the last person to defend Ticketmaster. However, I had really great seats for ZPZ in Chicago, about 20 feet away from Dweezil in the center. I did it the old fashioned way: I sat at the computer the moment tickets became available and bought 2. So, apparently, there are moments in time when one can actually get good seats independently. Of course, there were several rows in front of me, and I doubt those folks all got their seats the same way.....

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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
I did it the old fashioned way: I sat at the computer the moment tickets became available and bought 2.


Ah, the good ol' days. I thought you were gonna be in line at a ticket window... silly me.


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ronny's noomies wrote:
...I did it the old fashioned way...
. . . . .which was:

get up at 4 am the day zappa tickets go on sale
hitch-hike down to the box office
get in line
fire up the chillum
wait in line
fire up the chillum some more
wait in line
break out the pipe, fire it up
wait in line
smoke a few joints
wait some more
box office opens; buy tickets, pay cash, no service charge
go home & sleep

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slime.oofytv.set wrote:
ronny's noomies wrote:
...I did it the old fashioned way...
. . . . .which was:

get up at 4 am the day zappa tickets go on sale
hitch-hike down to the box office
get in line
fire up the chillum
wait in line
fire up the chillum some more
wait in line
break out the pipe, fire it up
wait in line
smoke a few joints
wait some more
box office opens; buy tickets, pay cash, no service charge
go home & sleep



didnt you used to break out the ol' bong when ya got home :wink: 8)

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here's the missing ingredient re: Philly attendence..


Pollstar has it incorrect. It was reported by the promoter incorrect. There wasn't an empty seat in the place...


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here's the missing ingredient re: Philly attendence..


Pollstar has it incorrect. It was reported by the promoter incorrect. There wasn't an empty seat in the place...


That's pretty much what I'm trying to say. What's the point of making information available if the info is incorrect?


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I don't believe the Philly show figure is incorrect. For two reasons:

1. In a 3,000+ capacity theater, I do not think the naked eye can see less than 400 empty seats, unless those empty seats are bunched together. They were most likely scattered throughout the entire venue.

2. To my knowledge, FZ sold out three shows at the same venue in 1988. That's around 9,200 tickets at an average ticket price of around $16-$17. Now, since 10% of the audience, at the most, will come back to multiple shows in the same market on the same tour if there are no return engagements, that means that around 8,600 people saw FZ live at the Tower in '88. So, 8,600 tickets divided by 3.2 = basically 2,700 tickets. Or $16.50 multiplied by 3.2 = basically $53 (the basic average ticket price of the Philly show last month).

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slime.oofytv.set wrote:
ronny's noomies wrote:
...I did it the old fashioned way...
. . . . .which was:

get up at 4 am the day zappa tickets go on sale
hitch-hike down to the box office
get in line
fire up the chillum
wait in line
fire up the chillum some more
wait in line
break out the pipe, fire it up
wait in line
smoke a few joints
wait some more
box office opens; buy tickets, pay cash, no service charge
go home & sleep


ROTFLMAO!

In college, we would have ticket lines that lasted sometimes several weeks. You'd have to orchestrate 24/7 coverage in line not to lose your place. Once, for a Jethro Tull show, we had someone in line continuously for a month.

That's the type of thing college students can pull off. Now? NO FUCKIN' WAY! :mrgreen:

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Disco Boy wrote:
I don't believe the Philly show figure is incorrect. For two reasons:1. In a 3,000+ capacity theater, I do not think the naked eye can see less than 400 empty seats, unless those empty seats are bunched together. They were most likely scattered throughout the entire venue.


There were not 400 empty seats at the Tower. No way. I was there. You weren't.

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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
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I don't believe the Philly show figure is incorrect. For two reasons:1. In a 3,000+ capacity theater, I do not think the naked eye can see less than 400 empty seats, unless those empty seats are bunched together. They were most likely scattered throughout the entire venue.


There were not 400 empty seats at the Tower. No way. I was there. You weren't.


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I guess some people here don't have the comprehension for mathematics. Oh well...

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