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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:17 am 
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I'm curious why so many people consider this to be Captain Beefheart's best album. By no means do I think it's a bad album, and I like it a great deal. But there is far better stuff he has done. Sure, it's the most musically complex and the hardest to wrap your head around, but I don't think that makes it better than the others. I guess it's all subjective, but Trout Mask Replica to me isn't even close to being representative of what Beefheart's capable of . I don't necessarily equate musical complexity to musical goodness. It's not an album I can listen to 50 times a day, like Safe as Milk or Clear Spot. I guess its off-the-wall and far out, unpredictable approach is what makes so many say it's the best. But do these people who say it's the best really find it to be the most listenable out of all of his music?

Since I am sure plenty here agree that it's the best, why do you think so?

Again for clarity, I think it's awesome. But far from the best.


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"Clear Spot" is my favorite Beefheart album. Never heard Trout Mask - maybe should check it out. I've only got Clear Spot, Spotlight Kid and Lick My Decals Off ...

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I like Trout Mask but prefer Shiny Beast to be honest. 8)

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Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller) is great as is Trout Mask Replica, I like Mirror Man and Lick My Decals a lot to.

If you can find a copy, there is a limited edition of 1000 copies CD from Rhino that (does anybody know the name?) is live and taken from the Shiny Beast Tour.


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My Beefheart collection consists of

Safe as Milk
The Spotlight Kid
Clear Spot
Trout Mask Replica
Bluejeans and Moonbeams
Doc at the Radar Station


And I'd rank them like this, probably:

1. Safe as Milk
2. Clear Spot
3. Bluejeans and Moonbeams
4. The Spotlight Kid
5. Doc at the Radar Station
6. Trout Mask Replica


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SPACEBROTHER wrote:
Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller) is great as is Trout Mask Replica, I like Mirror Man and Lick My Decals a lot to.

If you can find a copy, there is a limited edition of 1000 copies CD from Rhino that (does anybody know the name?) is live and taken from the Shiny Beast Tour.


"I'm Gonna Do What I'm Gonna Do" is great! The version of Suction Prints on there is tits!!
but the whole thing is very representative and the packaging is very special . . .

I am overly fond of the Buddha releases of SAM and MM, TMR, decals and strictly personal all get played in one go at my house, usually for special observances.
shiny beast I prefer to doc and ice cream

but why I do go on, nobody reads this crap

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punknaynowned wrote:
SPACEBROTHER wrote:
Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller) is great as is Trout Mask Replica, I like Mirror Man and Lick My Decals a lot to.

If you can find a copy, there is a limited edition of 1000 copies CD from Rhino that (does anybody know the name?) is live and taken from the Shiny Beast Tour.


"I'm Gonna Do What I'm Gonna Do" is great! The version of Suction Prints on there is tits!!
but the whole thing is very representative and the packaging is very special . . .

I am overly fond of the Buddha releases of SAM and MM, TMR, decals and strictly personal all get played in one go at my house, usually for special observances.
shiny beast I prefer to doc and ice cream

but why I do go on, nobody reads this crap



Thanks punknaynowned.

I sure would love to find a copy of "I'm Gonna Do What I'm Gonna Do".


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I have all Beef's cds and my favorite is The Spotlight Kid


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I have Trout Mask Replica, Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller) and Doc At the Radar STation. I enjoy them all equally, but if asked to choose a favourite, TMR would come out top simply because it was my first Beefheart experience. I have very fond memories of winter 04 listening to that album.

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I only have Trout mask replica, so can't really comment.
I guess i'll try Shiny Beast next. :?


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Fido3 wrote:
I only have Trout mask replica, so can't really comment.
I guess i'll try Shiny Beast next. :?


I'd recommend it. Its a lovely album.

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king wrote:
Fido3 wrote:
I only have Trout mask replica, so can't really comment.
I guess i'll try Shiny Beast next. :?


I'd recommend it. Its a lovely album.


Great! I'll look out for it.

BTW, you have 666 posts. BBWWWOOOHAHAHAHAHAHA. :mrgreen:


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i looooove the mask replica,
got to see it in it's own context
and well, it was zappa produced
some say blue jeans and moonbeans is kind of a sellout
wich in beefhearts case is ridiculous
in beefheart's words about his music:

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beefheart studio discography, from his website:

The Legendary A&M Sessions
Five tracks from the Magic Band's early days.
Recorded: 1965
Released: 1984

Safe As Milk
The first album featuring Ry Cooder.
Recorded: 1967
Released: 1967

Mirror Man
Four long, lumbering and glorious tunes from the Plain Brown Wrapper sessions
Recorded: 1967 / 8
Released: 1971

The legendary 'sabotaged' psychedelic album.
Recorded: 1968
Released: 1968

Trout Mask Replica
Epic, visionary and unique - Beefheart's yardstick.
Recorded: 1969
Released: 1969

Lick My Decals Off, Baby
Arguably the Magic Band's finest moment.
Recorded: 1970
Released: 1970

The Spotlight Kid
A slower, sparser approach to the blues.
Recorded: 1972
Released: 1972

Glorious collection of tight, punchy and pleasing Beefheartisms.
Recorded: 1972
Released: 1972

Beefheart goes commercial? Not really.
Recorded: 1974
Released: 1974

Bluejeans & Moonbeams
Surprisingly tepid album with only a couple of real gems.
Recorded: 1974
Released: 1974

Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller)
Strong return to form - hilarious, thrilling and deeply unusual, it's classic Beefheart.
Recorded: 1976 / 8
Released: 1978

Doc At the Radar Station
Where Howling Wolf meets John Lydon? Or just the Magic Band it its most abrasive?
Recorded: 1980
Released: 1980

Ice Cream For Crow
Beefheart's compellingly bleak adieu to the music business.
Recorded: 1982
Released: 1982
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trout mask is ok, but i think my favorite is ice cream for crow.

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i dunno if most people consider this his best, but it's the most notorious so gets the most attention.

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googly moogly wrote:
i looooove the mask replica,
got to see it in it's own context
and well, it was zappa produced
some say blue jeans and moonbeans is kind of a sellout
wich in beefhearts case is ridiculous
in beefheart's words about his music:

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beefheart studio discography, from his website:

The Legendary A&M Sessions
Five tracks from the Magic Band's early days.
Recorded: 1965
Released: 1984

Safe As Milk
The first album featuring Ry Cooder.
Recorded: 1967
Released: 1967

Mirror Man
Four long, lumbering and glorious tunes from the Plain Brown Wrapper sessions
Recorded: 1967 / 8
Released: 1971

The legendary 'sabotaged' psychedelic album.
Recorded: 1968
Released: 1968

Trout Mask Replica
Epic, visionary and unique - Beefheart's yardstick.
Recorded: 1969
Released: 1969

Lick My Decals Off, Baby
Arguably the Magic Band's finest moment.
Recorded: 1970
Released: 1970

The Spotlight Kid
A slower, sparser approach to the blues.
Recorded: 1972
Released: 1972

Glorious collection of tight, punchy and pleasing Beefheartisms.
Recorded: 1972
Released: 1972

Beefheart goes commercial? Not really.
Recorded: 1974
Released: 1974

Bluejeans & Moonbeams
Surprisingly tepid album with only a couple of real gems.
Recorded: 1974
Released: 1974

Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller)
Strong return to form - hilarious, thrilling and deeply unusual, it's classic Beefheart.
Recorded: 1976 / 8
Released: 1978

Doc At the Radar Station
Where Howling Wolf meets John Lydon? Or just the Magic Band it its most abrasive?
Recorded: 1980
Released: 1980

Ice Cream For Crow
Beefheart's compellingly bleak adieu to the music business.
Recorded: 1982
Released: 1982
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The Legendary A&M Sessions
Five tracks from the Magic Band's early days.(don't got)
Recorded: 1965
Released: 1984

Safe As Milk
The first album featuring Ry Cooder****
Recorded: 1967
Released: 1967

Mirror Man
Four long, lumbering and glorious tunes from the Plain Brown Wrapper sessions (don't got)
Recorded: 1967 / 8
Released: 1971

The legendary 'sabotaged' psychedelic album.(don't got)
Recorded: 1968
Released: 1968

Trout Mask Replica*****
Epic, visionary and unique - Beefheart's yardstick.
Recorded: 1969
Released: 1969

Lick My Decals Off, Baby****
Arguably the Magic Band's finest moment.
Recorded: 1970
Released: 1970

The Spotlight Kid***
A slower, sparser approach to the blues.
Recorded: 1972
Released: 1972

Glorious collection of tight, punchy and pleasing Beefheartisms.(don't got)
Recorded: 1972
Released: 1972

Beefheart goes commercial? Not really.(don't got)
Recorded: 1974
Released: 1974

Bluejeans & Moonbeams
Surprisingly tepid album with only a couple of real gems.**
Recorded: 1974
Released: 1974

Shiny Beast (Bat Chain Puller)
Strong return to form - hilarious, thrilling and deeply unusual, it's classic Beefheart.*****
Recorded: 1976 / 8
Released: 1978

Doc At the Radar Station*****
Where Howling Wolf meets John Lydon? Or just the Magic Band it its most abrasive?
Recorded: 1980
Released: 1980

Ice Cream For Crow*****
Beefheart's compellingly bleak adieu to the music business.
Recorded: 1982
Released: 1982

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Safe as milk 4/5
Mirror man 3/5
Strictly personal 4/5
Trout mask replica 5/5
Lick my decals off, baby 5/5
Spotlight kid 4/5
Clear spot 3/5
Unconditially guaranteed 2/5
Bluejeans and moonbeams 2/5
Bat chain puller 5/5
Shiny beast 4/5
Doc at the radar station 5/5
Ice cream for crow 4/5

I would write little comments along each album, but I'm lazy like batchain

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why 'Lick My Decals Off,Baby'is out-of-print is beyond me...

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sometime a year ago a guy called larry taylor attempted to reproduce (with earthmen)
the troutmask replica-replica


not a bad job , and a pity he never finished it

wonder whatever happened to larry ??

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I like Trout Mask much more than Clear Spot or Spotlight Kid. I think Trout is much more a complete 'work', it's something to really explore. It's humoungous fun. It's just bursting with musical and lyrical mastery that it tears at the seams.


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...I would write little comments along each album, but I'm lazy like batchain


bad of many consolation of idiots :lol: 8)

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I really love "Lick My Decals Off...",more than Trout Mask.

It's not in print for the same reason that An Evening with Wild Man isn't,.....it was(or is?) owned by Herb Cohen. It was out a long time back on CD,but it went out of print and never came back......it's a freakin' shame.


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I really love "Lick My Decals Off...",more than Trout Mask.

It's not in print for the same reason that An Evening with Wild Man isn't,.....it was(or is?) owned by Herb Cohen. It was out a long time back on CD,but it went out of print and never came back......it's a freakin' shame.


I believe the Zappa's own the Wildman album. The only Beefheart they own is the unreleased "Bat Chain Puller"album. I wish to god they would put it out but I don't think Van Vliet is too interested. Last rumor I heard, the Denny Walley/Dweezil re-mix was up for sale. What is Herb Cohen's deal anyway? Why doesn't he release more of the Straight stuff (Tim Buckley, Decals, etcetera?)


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bad of many consolation of idiots :lol: 8)

Very well then :x ...

Safe As Milk
This is inexplicably reminiscent of childhood. It quite possible has everything Don loved about his childhood: r&b, pop, slide guitars, howlin' wolf - all with an idiosyncratic look at things.

Mirror Man
An album with few mesmerising moments. It basically finds The Magic band 'jamming' and trying out new ideas, but it was never a fully-formed statement; it comes as little suprise that it was released posthumously.

Strictly Personal
Beefheart's 'psychedelic' album. This album has had a bad reputation due to its cliched sound effects that sound like the era it came from. Despite this, these beliefs are often overstated - as intruding as the effects may be, it doesn't affect the music to a great degree. The album finds Beefheart developing a far more unorthodox sound, but things were about to get much, much stranger....

Trout Mask Replica
Highly controversial album that is often cited as one of the best albums of all time in music polls, and regarded as beefheart's magnum opus. Infamously rehearsed in 9 months and recorded in four hours; it is a hectic clash of guitars, bass and drums avoiding to get into 4/4 time no matter what, while the captain - in a voice reminiscent of blues legends such as Charlie Patton and Howlin' wolf - offers his highly surreal and somewhat poetic lyrics.

Lick My Decals Off, baby
Seen by the captain's most avid fans (and the captain himself) as his best musical venture, this excellent release is often overlooked due to been released right after his meisterwerk. There is only one guitar, and with percussionist Art Tripp brought in it is partially more accessible. Only partially, of course; the bizzare atonal sound found in Trout mask is ever-present - pushed to new heights.

Spotlight Kid
Yearning to return to a simpler sound, don & co came back with 10 very slow and laiback blues songs - with their already trademark sound alongside it. The criticism this album has received is its production. Yes, it is nothing to scream about; yes, the slowed-downed atmosphere does let a few of the songs down a bit. However, the actual songs on the album are complete classics in the beefheart repertoire: click clack, grow fins, i'm gonna booglarize you baby - amongst others - seem to have had a very enduring aspect about them.

Clear Spot
Great fun. Great to dance to. This is beefheart's rock n' roll album. It should have charted as #1. But it didn't. Damn. 'Too much time' aside, these are all quirky and fun songs, with zoot horn rollo's slide playing being a special highlight.

Unconditially guaranteed
As Clear Spot failed, beefheart went further ahead with conventional leanings - to the point where it was unlistenable tripe only 80 year old grannies would purchase (they wouldn't, however, as it had beefheart's name on the cover!). No evidence is shown of the band's virtuosoism as they play the standard chords, rhythms and bass-lines of the time. The lyrics are bloody dishonest and awful too, dealing with 'love' - written by Don and his wife Jan.

Bluejeans and moonbeams
Unconditially guaranteed again. Except that the magic band were replaced by the tragic band. It also has beef's worse song - 'captain's holiday', which is unbelievably corny; aptly named as Don had no involvement with it. Slightly better than the former record, however, as Don's vocals are impressive throughout.

Bat chain puller
This has never been available due to contractual problems, which is a huge injustice. After the failure of his past two albums - both critically and sales-wise - Don decided to retire from music. His buddy Frank Zappa invited him along to play with his band, getting back into music again. Here he has found a new voice; the tension found in Trout mask and LMDOB is far more restrained here, the drums are more confined, leaving more space in which the guitars and keys can wallow around in. Don also seems to have left his blues singing voice behind, opting for an almost 'spoken-word' delivery. This is the captain's most diverse album, a huge range is covered. It is unfortunate that it is only available through crummy bootlegs, everyone is encouraged to download it.

Shiny Beast
This is an exquisite album. By no means a remake of bat chain, but something completly different. It seems to take the unorthodox intricacies of his more extreme work, merging it with his more straightforward venturings - like those akin to 'clear spot' - rendering it as the perfect starting place. The production and Bruce Fowler's trombone playing make it a very colourful record. It is quite zappa-esque in places - 'Ice rose' in particular.

Doc At The Radar Station
His best and most ambitious musical statement since Trout Mask. It is very angry; from start to finish there's something in the playing and lyrics that's terribly upset about something (In a comical way. Beefheart is a humourist first and foremost.) There is also an oriental feeling throughout.

Ice Cream For Crow
Quite an overlooked album. After the sublime production of his two previous works, this album has a 2-dimensional feel - 'like a painting'. It may seem a little souless at first; given a little time, though, this is a vastly entertaining and classic release.

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Trout Mask just has this feel to it that I cannot find in any of his other albums, even though I love Lick My Decals off just as much, I'm personally partial to Trout Mask.

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