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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:45 pm 
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Does anyone know of this?

I had mentioned it in a post, but figured i'd start the topic to ensure some moderate probability of it actually being seen.

I heard that gibson is makign a frank zappa SG. Will it contain all the mods? ...perhaps a moustache logo on the headstock?

anyone have any idea whether this is true or not?

dweezil? confirm sil vous plais.


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Dweezil mentions talking to Gibson about making one in a 2006 article, ill see if i can look it up

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here:

http://www.gibson.com/allaccessfeatures ... on%20Zappa

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:37 am 
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In your dreams my friend, l've been asking the same question for ages, and Dweezle,or the Zappa family trust as far as l know, have not been approached by the Gibson Company ( the ungrateful, disrespectful, greedy company ) to produce a tribute s.g. Mr. Zappa did a fuck of a LOT to promote the sales of Gibson Guitars in his all too short life, He's photographed on the cover of " Shut up 'n play yer guitar " holding a GIBSON Les-Paul custom for christ's sake....NO...for GIBSON'S sake !
l've commissioned a guitar maker to build me a Zappa s.g. So fuck Gibson.
One-pissed-off Robert Crowe.

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They already have a Toni Iommi signature S.G., perhaps they think he is accessible and marketable enough to carry on a celeb endorsement of the S.G. alone and leave it at that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:14 pm 
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With respect "Suzy" if you asked the majority of people in the street if they have heard of Tommy lommi, or Frank Zappa, who do you honestly think would get the most votes of "yes l know who that guy is"
So your reasoning that Gibson have got their Market research correct,
is perhaps a little shaky ?
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Robert. :roll:

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When you ask "people on the street" perhaps you would be right on older American males or even perhaps British.....but then again, most people on the street aren't learned serious guitar players either.

I'm giving this view point from what I see the "young ones" making a bee-line for in the guitar stores in the U.K. and Eire and yes, alot of the younger generation don't know who Frank is and go for that guitar from Black Sabbath's Tony or the SG sig from AC/DC's Angus Young. I guess my opinion is biased based on age.
.......and oh yes, Tony has graced the cover of guitar magazines too many times to count in fact he's on the cover AGAIN this month along with Jimmy and co. :roll:

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a Zappa sig. SG, I do believe Gibson are underestimating their untapped market of the millions of Zappa fans, but I'm just telling you how it is here, (I play myself) regards.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:36 pm 
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Yes Suzy you're absolutely correct in every way, l agree with anything you have to say on this topic. l'll just have my own Zappa s.g. copy "copy" made, and let all the Guitar playing Zappa fans not get the opportunity to own their own Gibson-made s.g. tribute guitar, because Angus Young & and Tommy lommi as players are light-years ahead compared to Mr. Zappa's guitar work ?
WAKE UP !
Robert Crowe.
( l have nothing further to say on this topic, as your probably a last-word freak ) :)

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l owe a great debt of thanks to Mr. Zappa, for suggesting that l "go to the libruary and educate myself if l've got any guts"
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Robert Crowe


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:13 pm 
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ROBERT_CROWE wrote:
l'll just have my own Zappa s.g. copy "copy" made, and let all the Guitar playing Zappa fans not get the opportunity to own their own Gibson-made s.g. tribute guitar, because Angus Young & and Tommy lommi as players are light-years ahead compared to Mr. Zappa's guitar work ?
WAKE UP !


1- it's Tony, not Tommy

2- I'm talking about commercialism and sell out figures being given unfair advantages for the sake of sales, not implying they are superior to Frank's talent, which they are not.
My opinion is based on the fear that the industry quacks at Gibson will pay too much attention to current trends and over look superior talents for the sake of "we could get more sales with this bigger celebrity" I mean, its the only thing that explains Zakk Wylde getting a sig Les Paul and not Frank by now, like you said, just look at the cover of Shut Up & Play Your Guitar!

3- I'm not a last word kind of person, just desperate for people to understand what I'm saying....because I'm not disagreeing with you!
Just trying to figure out stupid Gibson's reasoning for their choices......

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:46 am 
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Well put Suzy, sorry if l was a little stressed, you were very patient with me, and l thank you.
Bast Wishes,
Robert Crowe. :)
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l owe a great debt of thanks to Mr. Zappa, for suggesting that l "go to the libruary and educate myself if l've got any guts"
Best wishes to all.
Robert Crowe


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Hi everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster.

I interviewed Dweezil for Mixdown magazine here in Australia about 6 weeks before the Oz ZPZ shows, and he said this guitar was still in the planning stages.


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Hi Petie, Thank you for this good news, there's hope for Gibson yet then...
Glad to hear Gibson are showing a bit of respect for Mr. Zappa at long last.
Best wishes,
Robert. :)

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well l compose, and play guitars/keyboards/saxophones etc, etc.
l owe a great debt of thanks to Mr. Zappa, for suggesting that l "go to the libruary and educate myself if l've got any guts"
Best wishes to all.
Robert Crowe


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:06 pm 
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ROBERT_CROWE wrote:
Hi Petie, Thank you for this good news, there's hope for Gibson yet then...
Glad to hear Gibson are showing a bit of respect for Mr. Zappa at long last.
Best wishes,
Robert. :)


I couldn't get any more information that that, unfortunately. I'd love to know if it'll be based on a particular guitar of Frank's or if it will be a more generic SG with some kind of FZ branding.

Ideally It'd be based on either the Roxy or Baby Snakes SG. While these companies tend to go overboard in mimicking the exact scratches and dings in this kind of signature guitar, I'd be quite happy for this to not be done with the Zappa SG. I think Frank would find that a little silly.

High on my wish list, though, would be a production version of the blonde Strat-style guitar FZ played on the 88 tour, or Dweezil's white "Zappacaster" with the reverse headstock, perhaps by Fender/Charvel. Wishful thinking, I know.


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l think everyone is missing the point...which is that Frank's favourite guitar
was the Gibson s.g. copy, he produced some stunningly beautiful playing with that guitar, as one can hear on "Shut up 'n play yer guitar" so
a Gibson replica of the sg "copy" as a tribute guitar with the 3-band parametric eq & built in pre-amp would indeed be a fitting tribute to Mr. Zappa.
With Respect,
Robert Crowe.

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well l compose, and play guitars/keyboards/saxophones etc, etc.
l owe a great debt of thanks to Mr. Zappa, for suggesting that l "go to the libruary and educate myself if l've got any guts"
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Robert Crowe


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:36 pm 
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ROBERT_CROWE wrote:
l think everyone is missing the point...which is that Frank's favourite guitar
was the Gibson s.g. copy, he produced some stunningly beautiful playing with that guitar, as one can hear on "Shut up 'n play yer guitar" so
a Gibson replica of the sg "copy" as a tribute guitar with the 3-band parametric eq & built in pre-amp would indeed be a fitting tribute to Mr. Zappa.
With Respect,
Robert Crowe.


That would be my pick to replicate too. If Gibson can make a production version of Slash's famous Gibson copy (which I've heard rumours about), surely they can do it for FZ.

Interesting to note the most visible guitar in the photo accompanying the story on the Reuters website titled Gibson tuning up new Slash and Page guitars (Anti-spam filter on this forum is preventing me from posting the link until I've been a member for 7 days).


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yeah..but if they do the 'copy' SG they'll charge at least $7K for it
musicians won't be able to afford it
it'll just be another 'glass showcase' investment piece

How many Parker 'Adrian Belew' models have been sold at $10K?
not too many I'll bet


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Good point, BUT l'm sure that Dweezle & the Zappa family trust would not
like to see Zappa guitar-playing fans paying a fortune & being ripped off
by Gibson over pricing a tribute guitar in Mr.Zappa's memory ?
l'm sure that Dweezle & his family will work something out with Gibson to everyones satisfaction.
Let's wait 'n see...
Robert.

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l owe a great debt of thanks to Mr. Zappa, for suggesting that l "go to the libruary and educate myself if l've got any guts"
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well...I hope so...but I don't have much faith in Gibson
they've been inexplicably over-priced since the 70's

I don't think they ever gave Frank a guitar...
or Robert Fripp...among others

I'd rather see an Asian company make it and pay Gibson a royalty for the SG shape

then we'd probably see something rather nice with parametrics et al for maybe two and a half grand

Steve Vai seems quite happy with his Asian signature guitars


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Aw, there, there, diddums, l'm sure everything will work out fine,
l'm sure Dweezle won't let Gibson screw the Zappa family or potential buyers. now don't you worry yourself...okay ?
Robert :)

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well l compose, and play guitars/keyboards/saxophones etc, etc.
l owe a great debt of thanks to Mr. Zappa, for suggesting that l "go to the libruary and educate myself if l've got any guts"
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Robert Crowe


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ROBERT_CROWE wrote:
Aw, there, there, diddums, l'm sure everything will work out fine,
l'm sure Dweezle won't let Gibson screw the Zappa family or potential buyers. now don't you worry yourself...okay ?
Robert :)


OK...I'll chill now

not that I could even afford the Nippon-Gen-Gakki version anyway LOL

I suppose I shouldn't put too much crap on Gibson...I've owned a few

1961 Les Paul/SG Custom with wooden tailpiece
1966 SG Standard (Angus style)
1960 ES 350TD (blonde)
and a 90's Les Paul Classic that was real nice


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If we're on the subject of wish list gear.. I wish that digitech would come out with a pedal (like they did with Hendrix) that models several of FZ's tones. It'll never happen... but a guy can dream. The Gibson would be nice too. I'd definately buy one.


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A REAL EXACT MODEL of Frank's SG would be a hell of a guitar to play. I'd pay more for one, not sure how much more tho.

However, I can just imagine the negotiations with Gibson:

GIBSON: We love Frank and would like to make a copy of his most famous guitar for the masses.

ZFT: OK. Sign here. And here. And here and here and here. By the way, you don't have the rights to actually say the words "Frank Zappa" or "FZ", so if you do include any copywrited material in your promotional materials, we'll sue your fuckin' ass off."

GIBSON: Oh, OK. We're still game.

ZFT: On 2nd thought, forget it. We don't like your attitude. You'll be receiving our standard cease and desist letter from our attorneys in the near future.

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Hello Ronny,l read you're post with interest, l and was somewhat pissed-off about your attitude towards the Zappa Family Trust, l don't think, Dweezle, or Gail, would treat the memory of Mr. Zappa in the way you implied...l think you should apologise for your hard words my friend, or you may have the Zappa Family's Lawyers on your ass :!:
ROBERT CROWE.

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l owe a great debt of thanks to Mr. Zappa, for suggesting that l "go to the libruary and educate myself if l've got any guts"
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Robert Crowe


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Hi Mr. C. I read your post with interest. I apologize for my hard words. I am deeply sorry to make you so pissed off. :roll:

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Dear Ronny, thank you for the apology, but it's not me you should be apologising to ?
Best Wishes,
Robert

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