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 Post subject: MOI Doc coming soon
PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:19 pm 
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Coming January 10, 2009

This looks good, even though I doubt it's ZFT approved, and I will no doubt feel compelled to skip the music critic talking heads.

http://www.amazon.com/1960s-Frank-Zappa ... 081&sr=1-7

This film reviews the true story of The Mothers of Invention and the music they made during the first incarnation of the band. With group members Jimmy Carl Black, Bunk Gardner, Don Preston and Art Tripp taking up the tale and revealing - often for the first time - what the real Frank Zappa was all about; and with contributions from 'scenesters 'like LA wildman Kim Fowley, biographer Billy James, Zappa academic Ben Watson, music journalist Richie Unterberger and English writer and musician Alan Clayson - acclaimed biographer of Edgar Varèse - this program is the most detailed, informative and enjoyable documentary on Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention yet to emerge. Also features rare footage of Frank and The Mothers from throughout the 1960s, archive interviews, seldom seen live performances, and a host of other features.

TRACK LISTINGS

Who Are The Brain Police?
Hungry Freaks Daddy
Trouble Every Day
Brown Shoes Don't Make It
America Drinks And Goes Home
Are You Hung Up?
Flower Punk
Love Of My Life
Dog Breath Variations
Willie The Pimp
and many others

134 Minutes; NTSC All Region


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I couldn't find the track info myself,
Look's alot of false stuff English writer NTSC?
Original mothers,Willie The Pimp :|

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 Post subject: Re: MOI Doc coming soon
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It's every bit as legit as this one. (Which looks like shit).

http://www.amazon.com/Music-Review-Frank-Zappa/dp/B000VZZSH4/ref=pd_sim_d_3/187-8162393-6859869

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 Post subject: Re: MOI Doc coming soon
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I previously heard about the interview with Art Tripp...I imagine it is along the lines of the "Under Review -- Captain Beefheart" doc, which is a must for fans, providing one deletes the critics babbling (except CB biographer Mike Barnes). I guess Mr. Unica has already seen it, and if it is poorly produced, I'd like to know.


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 Post subject: Re: MOI Doc coming soon
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I've learned one thing for sure from this thread: Unica is full of himself.


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brainpang wrote:
I've learned one thing for sure from this thread: Unica is full of himself.


No I am full of Frank Zappa and love all HIS music and releases. (which means I stay away from the bootleg crap)

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 Post subject: Re: MOI Doc coming soon
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Fair enough, hail Frank! Thoughts to his family and friends on this day.

p.s. All I have been saying is that the MOI doc is not necessarily a bootleg. That is all.
Saying that, I wonder why the Frank Scheffer films have never been completed (?)/released?


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brainpang wrote:
Fair enough, hail Frank! Thoughts to his family and friends on this day.

p.s. All I have been saying is that the MOI doc is not necessarily a bootleg. That is all.
Saying that, I wonder why the Frank Scheffer films have never been completed (?)/released?


Both Frank Scheffer documentaries are finished and were broadcasted on dutch tv:

Frank Zappa, Pioneer of future music: The Present-Day Composer Refuses To Die (2000) and Frank Zappa: Phase Two--The Big Note (2002

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And they were released in cinema. The posters were free and the ticket booth was papered with them! Ah, how I regret my passing over Dutch mentality and only taking one.

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I always thought there was to be a 3rd, too? But I am confused. Anyway, it would be nice if these were officially released on dvd. I've only seen the first one, I think. Peace.


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Part 2/2 is the better one imo,last time i downloaded it would not copy to disc and this time it,s so slow :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: MOI Doc coming soon
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I always thought there was to be a 3rd, too? But I am confused. Anyway, it would be nice if these were officially released on dvd. I've only seen the first one, I think. Peace.


There is. Part 1 lasts an hour, part 2 lasts an hour and a half containing all footage of the 1st plus even more, and part 3 lasts 2 hours, has still more, and it has Steve Vai and ZPZ. I have 1 and 3 on VHS and I saw 2 in cinema.

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Frank Scheffer made two documentaries of Frank Zappa and was a work in progress in two phases. Phase 3 don't exist yet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Scheffer

FRANK ZAPPA: THE PRESENT DAY COMPOSER REFUSES TO DIE 2000, 55 min.
http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/videogra ... _2000.html

FRANK ZAPPA – PHASE II, THE BIG NOTE 2002, 90 min (director/producer)
http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/videogra ... _2002.html

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Then what was aired during Zappa week, when FZ hit the cover of the VPRO TV guide? That was a Scheffer documentary, which wasn't Phase 1 or 2. Was it a different title altogether?

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I poked around the 'net and it seems to me that Phase 3 is the final, definitive film and the other 2 can almost be considered works-in-progress.
Scheffer was inspired by (and emulated) Franks' artistic style and that's what the 3 Phases mean. They are about creating art, not a 3-part history of Frank Zappa. I really need to see these, starting with 3, 2, 1 (which I have on dvd-r).


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BBP wrote:
Then what was aired during Zappa week, when FZ hit the cover of the VPRO TV guide? That was a Scheffer documentary, which wasn't Phase 1 or 2. Was it a different title altogether?

http://blogger.xs4all.nl/werksman/archi ... 06488.aspx :?:

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BBP wrote:
Then what was aired during Zappa week, when FZ hit the cover of the VPRO TV guide? That was a Scheffer documentary, which wasn't Phase 1 or 2. Was it a different title altogether?


At the moment there are only two Frank Scheffer FZ documentaries. The one (200 Motels) mentioned above isn't a Scheffer documentary but a Roelof Kiers one from 1970. Frank Scheffer used a lot of this footage of Kiers for his own works though.

The two documentaries were broadcasted on dutch tv on april 22 and april 29 2007.

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Muzikaal genie Frank Zappa staat weer volop in de belangstelling dankzij het tweeluik, dat Frank Scheffer heeft gemaakt over deze eigenzinnige componist en rockmuzikant: 'Frank Zappa - A pioneer of the future of music part I & II'.

Naar aanleiding van dit tweeluik, dat door de VPRO op 22 en 29 april a.s. wordt uitgezonden in 'Het Uur van de Wolf', vertonen wij deze week een reeks documentaires over Zappa en voormalige bandleden van zijn 'Mothers of Invention'.

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Musical genius Frank Zappa is back in plenty of interest thanks to the diptych, that Frank Scheffer has made about this idiosyncratic composer and rock musician, "Frank Zappa - A pioneer of the future of music part I & II."

Following this diptych, which the VPRO on 22 and April 29 as is broadcast in 'The Hour of the Wolf', we show this week a series of documentaries about Zappa and his former bandmates' Mothers of Invention. ")

http://www.hollanddoc.nl/artikelen/34246694/

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I'm even more confused now. Do you count Phase 1 & 2 together? Because the one I saw in cinema in 2002 I didn't see on TV: I did see Present Day Composer Refuses To Die and the one you mention above. Neither Present Day nor Big Note contained the Steve Vai footage or the ZPZ info that was shown on Pioneer Of The Future Of Music.

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i will try my best :mrgreen:
A pioneer in music part 1+2 is footage record from the year 2000 part1,2002 part 2,repeated 2007.
http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/videogra ... appaHome70 got the name
http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/videogra ... _2000.html

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Part 2 is a sort of director's cut. It has some extra material to phase 1, but a lot of footage and interviews are in both. Perhaps even all of part 1. Thing is I have to recall phase 2 from memory... and I saw it in cinema in 2002...

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Frank Zappa, Pioneer of future music phase 1: The Present-Day Composer Refuses To Die
July 2, 2000
VPRO
52 min.

Directed by Frank Scheffer

Includes footage from:
FZ, Ronnie Williams and others at the studio, c. 1962-63
The Steve Allen Show, 1963
The David Susskind Show, 1966
Garrick Theater, 1967
Cover photo session for We're Only In It For The Money, 1967
Recording sessions of We're Only In It For The Money (prob. Mayfair Studios), 1967
Vienna, 1968
Berlin, 1968
Royal Festival Hall, 1968
MOI 1968-69 Home Movies
Fillmore West, 1970
FZ interview with Roelof Kiers at home (VPRO, 1970)
Stockholm, 1973
KCET TV, 1974
The Palladium, 1977
FZ & Ensemble Modern, LA, July, 1991
FZ & Ensemble Modern, Frankfurt, July, 1992
Ensemble Modern rehearsing "Amnerika," c. 2000
Interviews with Gail Zappa, Tom Fowler, Ian Underwood, George Duke, Dweezil Zappa, Joe Travers, Bruce Fowler, Pierre Boulez, Todd Yvega & Ali N. Askin
Interview with Edgard Varèse

Frank Zappa, Pioneer of future music phase 2: The Big Note 2002

- Denny Walley-footage
- Archive footage of the GTO dancing on stage with the MOI; and new interviews with Miss Pamela and Miss Mercy.
- Freaks dancing at a MOI show
- Archive footage of The Grand Wazoo Orchestra, "on the road" as well as "during soundcheck".
- Malcolm McNab playing the Bebop Tango, originally entitled "Malcolm McNab" (was this also already in The Big Note?).
- New interviews with the ZPZ-special guests, meaning: Napi (telling how hearing Frank's music for the first time was like the greatest orgasm he ever had); Bozzio (when he played The Black Page correctly for the first time, FZ said "Bozzio, you're a fucking genius"); and Vai (demonstrating how FZ taught him What's New In Baltimore).
- New interview with Dweezil, also mainly about ZPZ.
- ZPZ live footage, including BlackPage, Echidna'sArf, and Sofa (live in Paris).

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