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Ah.......NO.

Its a Lampoon.Get it now?


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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
this is a racist thread.
slime.oofytv.set wrote:
this is not a racist thread, homie
just kidding, nigga. word.

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hey, you know something people?
I'm not black
but there's a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I'm not white

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 Post subject: Re: The Black Zappa
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Trick question;The cover of Joe's Garage is The Black Zappa.

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GC, is th slime ooozin out all along ya livingroom floowah )-~

all that is good is nasty ..

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
Black Zappa;NMB,RW,IW,GD,EM,together,ect;with,
Red: Jimmy Carl Black
Brown: Roy Estrada,Nadine Reyes,ect.
Corenthian leather Brown; All the great Italians.
Yellow;Murakami Wolf Productions,Kent Nagano.
Blue; Albert Collins,Sonny Boy Williamson,Buddy Guy,Little Walter,Lucille,ect.
White;David Harris,Elliot Ingbar,Tom Wilson,Pamela Zarubica,ect. (I know,add your own).
Translucent;Dweezil Zappa,Steve Vai.Then all the Vegan eaters.
Purple;Bald Headed John,and Syborg.
Green;All Mothers.
Pink;Me now (HBP)
Apples or Oranges,FZ made The Mothers great Mothers.
Music is the Best!FZ. :mrgreen:



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stride wrote:
KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
Black Zappa;NMB,RW,IW,GD,EM,together,ect;with,
Red: Jimmy Carl Black
Brown: Roy Estrada,Nadine Reyes,ect.
Corenthian leather Brown; All the great Italians.
Yellow;Murakami Wolf Productions,Kent Nagano.
Blue; Albert Collins,Sonny Boy Williamson,Buddy Guy,Little Walter,Lucille,ect.
White;David Harris,Elliot Ingbar,Tom Wilson,Pamela Zarubica,ect. (I know,add your own).
Translucent;Dweezil Zappa,Steve Vai.Then all the Vegan eaters.
Purple;Bald Headed John,and Syborg.
Green;All Mothers.
Pink;Me now (HBP)
Apples or Oranges,FZ made The Mothers great Mothers.
Music is the Best!FZ. :mrgreen:



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Oop's it's a lampoon :wink:
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GC, is th slime ooozin out all along ya livingroom floowah )-~

all that is good is nasty ..

George Carlin per-chance? Game Change?
Music is the best,when you take it in STRIDE. :mrgreen:

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Onetime ina chatroom not too faraway a luvly lady by th name of gz admited to us that fz was in actual fact, a fan!, of the aforementioned GC ,and it all became evident when the aforeb4mentioned GC outro'd w/intro to 'I'm th Slime' ..

I also believe there are 'rights' , pending .. meaning ? .. GC wannafunkfrankup ¿ .........


8) :!: 8)

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Onetime ina chatroom not too faraway a luvly lady by th name of gz admited to us that fz was in actual fact, a fan!, of the aforementioned GC ,and it all became evident when the aforeb4mentioned GC outro'd w/intro to 'I'm th Slime' ..

I also believe there are 'rights' , pending .. meaning ? .. GC wannafunkfrankup ¿ .........


8) :!: 8)


I almost understand this.....

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stride wrote:
Onetime ina chatroom not too faraway a luvly lady by th name of gz admited to us that fz was in actual fact, a fan!, of the aforementioned GC ,and it all became evident when the aforeb4mentioned GC outro'd w/intro to 'I'm th Slime' ..

I also believe there are 'rights' , pending .. meaning ? .. GC wannafunkfrankup ¿ .........


8) :!: 8)


I almost understand this.....

Could it be FZ was a fan of George Clinton. George wants to use part or all of I'm The Slime. But GZ and problems with copyrights prevent this. Is that what you mean stride?
Interpeter needed. :?

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
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stride wrote:
Onetime ina chatroom not too faraway a luvly lady by th name of gz admited to us that fz was in actual fact, a fan!, of the aforementioned GC ,and it all became evident when the aforeb4mentioned GC outro'd w/intro to 'I'm th Slime' ..

I also believe there are 'rights' , pending .. meaning ? .. GC wannafunkfrankup ¿ .........


8) :!: 8)


I almost understand this.....

Could it be FZ was a fan of George Clinton. George wants to use part or all of I'm The Slime. But GZ and problems with copyrights prevent this. Is that what you mean stride?
Interpeter needed. :?


I thought GC referenced George Carlin.

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So did I untill I saw the GC wannafunkfrankup line. Hell I'm just guessing.

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calvin2hikers wrote:
KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
calvin2hikers wrote:
I almost understand this.....

Could it be FZ was a fan of George Clinton. George wants to use part or all of I'm The Slime. But GZ and problems with copyrights prevent this. Is that what you mean stride?
Interpeter needed. :?


I thought GC referenced George Carlin.

Gary Coleman, isn't it?
"Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Gail?"

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jpd wrote;
Gary Coleman, isn't it?
"Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Gail?"
I wrote;
Now thats funny.I don't care what anybody say's,and in The Black Zappa thread! LOL
Back in`07 DZ gave me a pink Gary Coleman guitar pick.

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It's about Galoot Col-ug-nuh.

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It's about Galoot Col-ug-nuh.

Nuh-uh Its George Clooney. :wink:

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
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It's about Galoot Col-ug-nuh.

Nuh-uh Its George Clooney. :wink:


That's it!

But anyway, I think the answer to this is Prince. I think he hates Warner Bros too.

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Ah,the purple Syborg hates WB? :shock: Love his guitar playin'. 8)

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
Ah,the purple Syborg hates WB? :shock: Love his guitar playin'. 8)


From Wikipedia:

In 1993, during negotiations regarding the release of Prince's album The Gold Experience, a legal battle ensued between Warner Bros. and Prince over the artistic and financial control of Prince's output. During the lawsuit, Prince appeared in public with the word "slave" written on his cheek. Prince explained his name change as follows:

"The first step I have taken towards the ultimate goal of emancipation from the chains that bind me to Warner Bros. was to change my name from Prince to the Love Symbol. Prince is the name that my mother gave me at birth. Warner Bros. took the name, trademarked it, and used it as the main marketing tool to promote all of the music that I wrote. The company owns the name Prince and all related music marketed under Prince. I became merely a pawn used to produce more money for Warner Bros... I was born Prince and did not want to adopt another conventional name. The only acceptable replacement for my name, and my identity, was the Love Symbol, a symbol with no pronunciation, that is a representation of me and what my music is about. This symbol is present in my work over the years; it is a concept that has evolved from my frustration; it is who I am. It is my name"

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From Wikipedia: The only acceptable replacement for my name, and my identity, was the Love Symbol, a symbol with no pronunciation...

Must have been tough to call him in for dinner!

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From Wikipedia: The only acceptable replacement for my name, and my identity, was the Love Symbol, a symbol with no pronunciation...

Must have been tough to call him in for dinner!


They probably just called him Shorty.

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Hmm. He's short and skinny,maybe they called him late for dinner. :wink:

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Hmm. He's short and skinny,maybe they called him late for dinner. :wink:


They must've.

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slime.oofytv.set wrote:
this is not a racist thread, homie


the central scrutinizer wrote:
... the amount of musicians that are expertly capable or otherwise, involved in a piece of music has no relevance at all...

...it's only natural that rappers sing about the stuff that has influenced them from childhood. Bob Dylan has been celebrated for the best part of 50 years now for opposing war through song...

...amount of equipment they use, well it's not really that different from Zappa in later years, when he opted to switch to ther Synclavier. Of course that doesn't take away from the fact that Zappa was an amazingly talented man ....

...On the contrary, Tupac had one of the most diverse followings of any artist, not just rap. He has a huge following across the world from people of all walks of life...

...I would suggest that you haven't really listened to Tupac's lyrics...

...inspiring 100,000 people ... to pick up a mic and start getting involved in art, regardless of the form is a wonderful thing. It's certainly better than picking up a gun or a bag of crack, but maybe that doesn't fit with your perfect image of what makes music good and what doesn't...

...the rap band you mention sang about in the 80s was politically relevant to new york in the 1980s, i don't know. Though you can't really compare it to music from nearly 20 years later and say it's automatically better because the new stuff is derivative...


scrutes, partially agree on these points of yours: number of musicians, amount of equipment,

will conceed these: my unfamiliarity with the pacman's music & lyrics, the most diverse followings of any artist

disagree or don't get your point on these: the subject matter of rap & it's relevance, the dylan example, the claim that a sample/synth guy, even the most talented & diverse sample/synth musician can be compared to a musician that, in addition to being as talented on the synclavier as pacman was on the sample machine, he played all manner of musical instruments & musical styles in a consistently original manner

is the pacman original ... fuck no; the 80s band in my example, & many other old-school rappers were rapping about the same stuff as you hear today: life/crime in the ghetto, poverty, no opportunity, guns, cops, politics, thugs, pimps, pushers ... in fact, all the above were covered in the message, '82 by grandmaster flash & the furious five, not a fuck of a lot of new shit has come out of the rap world since ... that shit's been rubbed into the fucking dirt, goin on 18 tours old

the gratuitous use of profanity is weak, it's like playing the same riff over & over, gets stale real fast ... someone should sample those samplers & do porn wars style spoof ... rap wars

dylan may have been winjing about war for 50 years, but also covered other topics ... zappa covered dozens [hundreds ¿ ] of topics, big difference is he covered it once, maybe came back to it once or twice for an update or some conceptual continuity, then moved on to the next item on the agenda

inspiring 100,000 wannabe rappers may be a wonderful thing, but how is that relevant to the comparison of 2 artists; the fact that 100,000 people have been inspired only proves that rapping is relatively easy to learn, not a lot of talent required to start

say there were 100,000 wannabe frank zappas, how many would be inspired to pick up a guitar, or try & write a song in similar style & appeal ¿

number of musicians/quantity of equipment has no relevance to the quality or appeal of the music, agreed, but again, you're missing my point that; you can compare fz/synclavier with pacman/sampling machine but it's such a tiny slice of what zappa was all about musically, the fact that he could take a musician, who would never be noticed on their own as you point out, and optimize their talent time & time again is another example of why the pakman is just a musical footnote in the overall scheme, high-skilled in a very narrow world with limited musical talent

back to the original topic, there is nobody, black or white, that can be realistically compared to fz; hard to believe you can seriously compare fz & ts at the same level beyond the very few commonalities



You're right man I can't :mrgreen: I just thought it would be a good exercise to see if I could convince anyone :mrgreen: The truth is I've only been listening to 2Pac for about a year at the most and while I thoroughly enjoy his music, I really don't compare him to Zappa in any way. Not even the way I argued my points on haha.

Got an interesting thread out of it though :mrgreen:

I stand by all the stuff I said about 2Pac though, I do think he was a very talented guy. But not comparable with Zappa in any way shape or form.

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