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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:27 am 
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I sure am the best thing that ever happened i say why later :D

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:43 am 
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If my music collection was on vinyl I would need a house twice the size of the one I live in.

I am happy to trade an almost imperceptibly small sound quality difference for the convenience of digital.

While I can imagine wanking myself into a frenzy over 12 inch square of cardboard, I prefer internet porn.

Nevermind about having to care about whether my stylus was up to scratch :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:28 am 
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Nice Calls Quilt.


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stylus(Needle Break) Rubber band(stretch) cant walk around them without Shit Happening especially if you have had a tipple or too.

If I remember correct there was not much selection in the record shops,serious like a few of Zappa albums available mostly secondhand over priced too fuck N back.It would had been 1986 when i started too get old enuff and have money for shopping trips for Vinyl Albums(lps) when CD,s came around they was Zappa popping up from every record shop With in a Year or too FZ CD,s Everywhere(full Catalog).Even LPs new where more available Due too the Birth of CD(more people visting and buying again)


Vinyl are Crap for learning musicians

The best thing about them if your a toker Skinning up on.

Buy the time they had Car Cd players that did not jump because of road bumps GameOver. :twisted:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:35 pm 
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Being a child in the eighties and growing sourrounded by vinyls, there is something nostalgic about them for me. My first vynil, besides a cheap fm hit compilation, was Flash Gordon by Queen. My bro collected Beatle records and my dad had a huge classical and jazz collection. Heck, vynil was my passport to music. Even though I'm not old enough, yes vinyls are definitively from the past.

I started collecting heavy metal albums in the late 80s: Iron Maiden, Metallica, Dio, Kreator, Slayer, Sodom, Destruction, Nuclear Assault, etc. Listening to Sepultura, Judas Priest, Saxon, Black Sabatth, Bathory, Venom and so many other heavy bands was my environment, until, the late 80s - early 90s, when from Guns n Roses I shifted to Pink Floyd, Rush and then finally I came to my musical senses and discovered Zappa and Hermeto. By then CD took over... I sold all my old vinyls long ago, and since then gathered a dozen LPs, such as my prized Metal Man Has Won It's Wings or my Crimson's Poseidon (with a canvas cover).

Now, last friday I bought me two speakers to complete the vynil rig I assembled with my father's turntable and an old Gradiente amplifier I bought.

My father also is donating me his around 400s LPs (Jazz and Classical mainly) for me. Which means I will go for a real vinyl journey anytime soon near the future...

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Beginning to reminisce could you say that the procedure of all steps necessary for a carefully handling all those LPs and then that super-modern playing of CDs have their special charms. Shall I leave it out? the problem with latter is that it takes so long for a dwarf to draw those sleeves.


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Totally different realms I'd say. At one you get a feeling of cosiness first which then develops on what music's being aired. The generation employing those silver discs of sorts is, I'm only guessing, on a completely other trip. Can you describe it so? plus, present walk-mans function with a storage of pre-sampling some soundses so that it is secured no skips or tape-salad may occur. What Japan CD-Rom didn't need that small drawer where one now first blows and brows over the record? that was in effect already too much sci-fi for ourself. Anyhow, all these acoustic moments inclusive the knowledge about techniek, proper a fling of the tone-carrier should be giving a grand geezer a well-out-of-orbit sentience. Radio used to be a treat what scarcely failed in creating lots of enjoyment. For an occasional prog shower go ta DA, ..music is making us mad ...


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They SUCK :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:31 pm 
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Vinyl rules! Never heard a Zappa record sound better than on vinyl...including reissue vinyl...I just like it better.


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Silk Chariot wrote:
Vinyl rules! Never heard a Zappa record sound better than on vinyl...including reissue vinyl...I just like it better.

Yes a little better if it is not your imaganation 8)
look at all the better things CD definitely done.

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thought The Reasoning would be launching two record disc-flights up over the wanderlandscape this year. ...they just keep on twittering. See http://www.myspace.com/thereasoninguk - would ya need a boat also to get to Wales? wake me up when you have sussed what you wanted to say. ...or what you think of that lot. Mr. Ravi or so's gonna see and interview'em at High Wottskee festivolts.


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Although I like the convenience of CD's, (Can't stand the poor sound quality of MP3's, however they are handy), there is something to be said for vinyl.

First of all, if the recording was made in a pure analog format with top notch equipment and never downgraded to digital, vinyl can simply sound better. A great example of this is ZZ Top's Tres Hombres album. I own the CD and love it, but man, the original on Vinyl is breathtaking. It's as if Billy is playing his guitar right there in the room with you, it's just so clear and natural.

Another thing I like about Vinyl is the 22 minute per side format. It breaks up an album into 2 "acts" and forces the listener to actually listen, rather than just make the music background noise.

Also, album artwork is lost when you move to CD or packageless formats. Look back at some of those album covers from the 60 or 70's where you can actually get lost in the scenes. They just don't do that anymore.

I only own one Zappa album on Vinyl, Zoot Alurres, can't say it's any better or worse than the CD. But man.... that album cover full size is mesmerizing. Nothing quite like seeing Frank's "unit" in such fine LARGE detail. :-)


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Found this on google searching "22 min per side format" :mrgreen:
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If you wonna better sound get a better Sound System because one day you won't be too tell the diffrence between the record(LP) playing Or bacon cooking in the Frying pan.

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I love not having to flip sides. I love not having to worry about scratches when buying music (it freaked me out when buying a new vinyl and I heard the first "pop"). I love not worrying about wear and tear. I love the absence of cracking noises. I love the absence of cracking noises. (Yes, twice.)

I hate that I cannot read everything on the CDs anymore. I could understood this issue when LP album art was just scaled down, but new CDs have font sizes that are intelligible to me.

Sound wise I could tell the difference in the beginning (i.e. mid 1980s). Now I can't. Either my hearing has deteriorated sufficiently, or CD players have become better. But I acknowledge that best vinyl equipment is probably better, I just don't have the space for a listening room where analog equipment can strut.

But the worst thing is probably the loudness war that could not have happened with vinyl.

But all in all I am happy about CDs (and I will not stop buying them; I-Tunes is only for an occasional novelty track I want). I don't miss vinyl that much.

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It's ironic that turntables are better now with vinyl in decline than when vinyl was the accepted way of listening. You can get basic level turntables (Rega ,Project etc) now for a couple of hundred £ which are of superb quality. Whereas, in the late 60s/early 70s i was listening to some staggeringly good music on a small mono box type record player ! Someone much younger than me at work has just had a vinyl conversion experience, bought his first ever turntable and insists things have never sounded so good.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:09 pm 
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I sure am. Fuck vinyl!

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I don't get why there isn't room for vinyl and digital. When I'm out and about, I'm an iPod guy. When I'm at home, I crank up the turntable. The whole vinyl vs. CD debate has been done to death. No matter what stats you bring up, each person will have his or her own preference.


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calvin2hikers wrote:
I sure am. Fuck vinyl!

Hey, if yer dick's that small, go for it!



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calvin2hikers wrote:
I sure am. Fuck vinyl!

Hey, if yer dick's that small, go for it!



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Did you ever stop? Okay, for a second.

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madcow1515 wrote:
I don't get why there isn't room for vinyl and digital. When I'm out and about, I'm an iPod guy. When I'm at home, I crank up the turntable. The whole vinyl vs. CD debate has been done to death. No matter what stats you bring up, each person will have his or her own preference.

With you 100%. I'm not an iPod guy (stuck with my Discman! :roll:) but I flow freely between vinyl, CDs and downloads. All three have their place. However, nothing's better than walking up to a garage sale or used shop and finding that awesome record in perfect shape for less than five bucks (most times WAY less).

A while back, my twelve year old nephew was over and saw my turntable. "What's that?" he said. I pulled out Meet the Beatles and showed him how to play it. We spent the whole afternoon picking out records. :mrgreen:


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I only own one Zappa album on Vinyl, Zoot Alurres, can't say it's any better or worse than the CD. But man.... that album cover full size is mesmerizing. Nothing quite like seeing Frank's "unit" in such fine LARGE detail. :-)[/quote]

'Zoot' is a prime example of the vinyl version sounding superior to the digital formats. You best hang on to that one :)


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'Zoot' is a prime example of the vinyl version sounding superior to the digital formats. You best hang on to that one :)

That has nothing to do with the format. This is a case of bad remastering for the CD release, for whatever reasons. The same master used for a new vinyl release would sound as bad as the the CD edition. A vinyl record is not sounding automatically good and a CD automatically bad – that is bullshit.

And: It would be impossible to discuss anything about 'sound' with a person who does not hear a difference between the original Zoot vinyl and the really bad CD edition.

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'Zoot' is a prime example of the vinyl version sounding superior to the digital formats. You best hang on to that one :)

That has nothing to do with the format. This is a case of bad remastering for the CD release, for whatever reasons. The same master used for a new vinyl release would sound as bad as the the CD edition. A vinyl record is not sounding automatically good and a CD automatically bad – that is bullshit.

And: It would be impossible to discuss anything about 'sound' with a person who does not hear a difference between the original Zoot vinyl and the really bad CD edition.

Th.


Well...I would argue that "sound" is relative. Of course we would discuss sound with our friends who can't or refuse to hear the difference between the Zoot vinyl and cd. Just liking the album lends credibility to their judgement of sound.

I'm a sizzling steak kind-of-a-guy anyway...so I'd likely prefer to hear the badly mastered version of the vinyl over the cd just based on the nature of playing a vinyl record on an old hi-fi. That crappy layer of digital reverb is tolerable to me, as long as I can hear it compressed through a record needle.


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Silk Chariot wrote:
… so I'd likely prefer to hear the badly mastered version of the vinyl over the cd just based on the nature of playing a vinyl record on an old hi-fi. That crappy layer of digital reverb is tolerable to me, as long as I can hear it compressed through a record needle.

Interesting masochistic habits. ;-)

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You have to remember CD audio was standardized in the early 80's. 44,100 samples per second stored 16bit is pretty low-fi when it comes to digital, especially now-a-days when things are being mastered at 24bit, 96k, etc.. Sure humans can only hear in the 20-20,000 hertz range (at best) and technically all you need are 40,000 samples to reproduce everything we humans can hear, but CD audio is still just a pixilation of a sound wave. Plus, even though we can’t hear it, doesn’t mean it still doesn’t exist in the audio spectrum for our minds to feel. If all things were equal (and that's the key), analog audio is the purest form available. When you've heard it done right, it's like taking a pillow away from your ears, it's just so natural and real.

Personally I like both. I buy everything on CD. It's pristine, will always play exactly the same, smaller to store and you never have to flip. But I still have a decent vinyl record collection. Some sound better on one format, some sound better on another. (I have lots of vinyl records that sound like crap compared to the CD). Again, it's not all audio quality. Artwork, length of sides, interaction with the listener. It's all just part of what makes records what they are. I'm glad both are still around.


Oh and... good to know about Zoot Allures being different. I'll have to pick up the CD one of these days to hear the difference. :-)

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Thinman wrote:
Silk Chariot wrote:
… so I'd likely prefer to hear the badly mastered version of the vinyl over the cd just based on the nature of playing a vinyl record on an old hi-fi. That crappy layer of digital reverb is tolerable to me, as long as I can hear it compressed through a record needle.

Interesting masochistic habits. ;-)
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