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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:47 pm 
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… But that's my point, there's a whole bunch of other stuff in there both on Burnt Weenie and Fillmore that isn't even touched by the Sheik Yerbouti band. When I first saw Little House mentioned on the Berlin boot of this band I got really excited until I heard it. Not because I think it's bad, not at all, but I have a particular affinity with the Fillmore arrangement. Obviously Zappa went off it.

I always thought the "arrangement" played by the SY-band was just an improvised "arrangement" of the piano intro that Tommy Mars had developed for himself and Frank insisted that he memorized it that way.

The original LHIUTLI is a collage of several separate pieces and performances (Return Of The Hunchback Duke, Aybe Sea, etc.). And only the intro is the real one and only piece titled Little House I Used To Live In.

As always, I could be wrong.


I saw it as Ian's piano figure for Aybe Sea and a bit more of the BWS LHIUTLI as well. I wanted more of it, but I got so much Pound For A Brown that I won't complain...
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 Post subject: Re: Hammersmith Odeon
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Hardly comparable? You're probably right, poly. I'm too lazy to listen right now.

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Huzzah ! It arrived today and it sounds great. In my humble opinion it's the best sounding concert release from ZFT so far. The packaging is great as well. I can't complain at all. Brilliant edition.

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But that's my point, there's a whole bunch of other stuff in there both on Burnt Weenie and Fillmore that isn't even touched by the Sheik Yerbouti band. When I first saw Little House mentioned on the Berlin boot of this band I got really excited until I heard it. Not because I think it's bad, not at all, but I have a particular affinity with the Fillmore arrangement. Obviously Zappa went off it.

The Burnt Weeny "Little House" is itself a medley of various late-60's pieces. The Flo & Eddie band pefromed the section known as "The Duke" and announced it as such at shows. But for some reason, when Fillmore came out, Frank decided to use the title "Little House" so people would identify it with the "Burnt Weeny" track. Then in 1978, Frank arranged the piano intro of the "Burnt Weeny" track for a full band. As you unfortunately discovered, Frank used the title "Little House" to describe this section too. You can actually hear the confusion in the crowd when Frank announces "Little House" on 1978 boots, but what follows isn't Side One of the Fillmore album.

Somebody understands what I'm getting at.

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You mean someone was awake...I get yer point though

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Anyway, when this release first came out, I'd been listening to that Berlin sound board boot, so I was a bit over this band at the time, and I just put this one in its place on the shelf. I just caught a track off this the other day on random on my iPhone and I've been listening through the whole album ever since. This is a truly monster release.

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Anyway, when this release first came out, I'd been listening to that Berlin sound board boot, so I was a bit over this band at the time, and I just put this one in its place on the shelf. I just caught a track off this the other day on random on my iPhone and I've been listening through the whole album ever since. This is a truly monster release.


Yeah, I think it's quintessential to the Sheik lineup.

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It pretty much puts Sheik in context, as we see some of the basic tracks. It does sound pretty good too, but I am sure Galoot and other advocates of high-end equipment will tell me I am wrong.

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It does sound pretty good too, but I am sure Galoot and other advocates of high-end equipment will tell me I am wrong.


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I just caught a track off this the other day on random on my iPhone
Yoooo! :wink: That's what it's been engineered for. /or: Just to my ears it seems that's what it's been engineered on! ---->


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It does sound pretty good too, but I am sure Galoot and other advocates of high-end equipment will tell me I am wrong.


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I just caught a track off this the other day on random on my iPhone
Yoooo! :wink: That's what it's been engineered for. /or: Just to my ears it seems that's what it's been engineered on! ---->


See Mr. Buffalo put us in our place :shock: 8)

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8) I think It'd be rather o.k. if one could actually hear Patrick O'Hearn. Mixing a player like this out is a disaster IMHO, I have a feeling they rushed the mixing and operated the wrong sliders, with the impending November deadline pressing hard ----


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It does sound pretty good too, but I am sure Galoot and other advocates of high-end equipment will tell me I am wrong.


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I just caught a track off this the other day on random on my iPhone
Yoooo! :wink: That's what it's been engineered for. /or: Just to my ears it seems that's what it's been engineered on! ---->


For the record, it is possible to listen to lossless audio on an iPhone. :mrgreen:

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See Mr. Penguin, Mr. Buffalo, all youse guys is so much smarter than me. I only play FZ loud through my work speakers at my desk before anyone else gets to work. (Hmmmmm, guess that says something about me, huh?).

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See Mr. Penguin, Mr. Buffalo, all youse guys is so much smarter than me. I only play FZ loud through my work speakers at my desk before anyone else gets to work. (Hmmmmm, guess that says something about me, huh?).


Ha! Crank it when you can, I say! :wink:

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(Hmmmmm, guess that says something about me, huh?).


You live under your desk?

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(Hmmmmm, guess that says something about me, huh?).


You live under your desk?


Considering how many hours I work, I kinda live at my desk. :oops:

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I think It'd be rather o.k. if one could actually hear Patrick O'Hearn. Mixing a player like this out is a disaster IMHO, I have a feeling they rushed the mixing and operated the wrong sliders, with the impending November deadline pressing hard ----


Deadlines don't usually seem to trouble the ZFT (eg. no Carnegie Halls or Live In The Moments last UK tour). But sonic oddities aside, I agee that this is a monster release.

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I just caught a track off this the other day on random on my iPhone
Yoooo! :wink: That's what it's been engineered for. /or: Just to my ears it seems that's what it's been engineered on! ---->
The point about the iPhone is that it enables me to listen to music when I'm "between A and B". Pretty much that's almost the only music listening time I have these days and if the audio is good to start with, it still sounds good on an iPhone. On the other hand, I do have quite a good quality music system at home - money spent because I do value good audio - and Hammersmith is really bitchen on that. In contrast, the only time Carnegie sounds almost bearable is on that system, I don't really enjoy listening to it on the iPhone.

The main reason I find the audio complainers a pain, is that none of them have any real idea what state the original recordings are in or exactly what the problems are that the ZFT has to deal with in order to make a master suitable for release possible in the first place. I've done some work myself with old recordings and working them into plausible mixes involves dealing with defects in the original and when you don't have the opportunity to rerecord parts compromises have to be made. Look at how long it took FZ before he was able to release LSO II.

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it's an ok album, probably worth torrenting it for king kong - san berdino

everything else is pretty :|


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I haven't listened to this album in awhile. I love this band (they're one of my top 5 favourite FZ bands), so I'll have to listen to this one again soon.

Btw, I still can't believe the extended version of Wild Love wasn't included. It was definitely a wtf? moment upon finding that out...

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I like Hammersmith Odeon and have listened to it a lot, but I prefer Frank's own mixes from the same tour - Torture, YCDTOSA 1, A solo from Heidelberg - and Sheik Yerbouti, of course - although the overdubbage makes the sonics of SY rather incomparable to HO. Even the soundboard bootleg from Deutschlandhalle, February 15 has some advantages over the HO mix. Although there is some noise on there, the sound image is more natural and dynamic. That's the show that yielded Rat Tomago and SY Tango, and the one where Bowie was in the audience to spy on Belew. - I really wish Filipetti - or preferably someone else, like Steven Wilson - had taken cues from Zappa's best mixes rather than going for the "modern" compressed blast on Hammersmith Odeon. This could have been a truly great album - with the hip, musk, compressed mix it's merely good.

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I swear bufflo gets everything wrong or he looked on line finds a album that is not released for some reason then bitches about it FACT.

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Btw, I still can't believe the extended version of Wild Love wasn't included. It was definitely a wtf? moment upon finding that out...


FZ hacked up all the versions of Wild Love/Yo Mama from London while preparing the Sheik album.


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'Wild Love' has always been one of my faves... it just has a little bit of everything that must "do" it for me.

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Btw, I still can't believe the extended version of Wild Love wasn't included. It was definitely a wtf? moment upon finding that out...


FZ hacked up all the versions of Wild Love/Yo Mama from London while preparing the Sheik album.


Right, Wild Love>Yo Mama was only performed twice in London, and both versions were hacked up and utilized for Sheik. Otherwise I'm sure they would have included it somehow.


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