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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
I guess Republicans go ape-shit when a democrat talking head mildly criticizes Mrs. Romney, but they smile and have nothing to say when someone like Ted Nugent - who has a huge following - says that Obama and Hillary should SUCK ON HIS M-16 (or whatever those automatic weapons were that he was swinging around on stage). Nugent also calls BO a "piece of shit."

The right LOVES this guy! Haven't heard anything from Pedro or Bravo here either.... Here's the link again. It's rich.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI


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Don't ask for it :P


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3rd, as to your link to the Baltimore beating, obviously this is a horrible thing. There's no reason or excuse for it and you stating that I would justify it somehow shows how out of touch with my views you really are and how rigid yours are. I know you want to make a racial point with the link, along the lines of "BLACK PEOPLE ARE HORRIBLE RACISTS AND WHITE PEOPLE ARE THEIR VICTIMS." This ignores the entire history and context of the racial reality in this country and assumes a level playing field which does not exist.

So, I ain't going there again with you so leave me alone creep.



History tells me that only 18% of the white population were slave owners ..That's the REAL history and blacks can be just as racists as other folks.... creep :lol: :lol:


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History tells me that only 18% of the white population were slave owners ..That's the REAL history and blacks can be just as racists as other folks.... creep :lol: :lol:


Seeing as how you are in the "lets justify white against black racism" mode dildo2, I'll ask you this...

What's the percentage of the black population who owned white slaves?

How many white people were taken from their homes in Europe and shipped to Africa, or anywhere else in the world for that matter, and all done legally, to be sold as property?

How many documented instances have blacks erected burning crosses on white peoples front yards to run them out of their towns?

How many laws were added to the US Constitution allowing black people to traffic and own white slaves?



Your arguments have the appearance of making excuses to justify white against black racism by using a tried and true, but typical "role reversal" tactic dildo2.


The bottom line here is that a significant number of folks who's political ideology on the Conservative Right have reaffirmed their racist inclinations on a public level (ala Birthers, Tea Baggers, anti-Muslim-Christain-fundamentalists ect).


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Do your history and you find many slave traders were BLACK, lots of them in africa rounding them up and selling them in the new world !
The big problem seems to be black on black killing as in chicago !

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It doesn't matter to me what anyone is. What matters to me is that they have the freedom to be what they are. If we don't allow them to be who they are, we will never know what they are. People should be free to hate as well as to love. Love has nothing to fear.

I'm not a right-winger or a left-winger, or a fuselodge. I'm the power that makes it fly...I am freedom. I am the power of a free people.

No one likes to be characterized as a hater. If there's one thing I try to do every day, it's to know who I am. If there's one thing I've learned in forum flame wars, it's that it's wrong to judge a person that posts on the forum. It's okay to disagree, but to lable and condemn the poster is in poor taste. After all, how can one know the person at the keyboard? Hate what is said, not who said it, Jesus said.

I know who I am, and I've been very honest about it for most of my life. I am a misanthrope. I didn't ask to be in the human being club, but now that I have lived it for a few decades, I've decided that I don't really care for the species.

I tend to especially dislike anyone that identifies strongly with any particular group. People always say "I am this", or "I am that"...but no, they are not. They are human beings. They are all to be pitied.

Individually, most people are tolerable. It's when they form groups that life becomes unsafe.

People are awesome. The human race as a whole? Contemptable.

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you could always cut the off the soles of your shoes climb a tree and learn how to play the flute.

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Do your history and you find many slave traders were BLACK, lots of them in africa rounding them up and selling them in the new world !
The big problem seems to be black on black killing as in chicago !



True that many slave traders within the confines of Africa were black trafficking other black people. My questions directed towards dildro2 were rhetorical as there aren't any historical incidents of black slave traffickers selling whites, anywhere in the world on a legal corporate scale.

The point being that dildro2 seems to ignore nearly 500 years of North American history when it comes to racism, and who have been the predominant recipients of this kind of class warfare.


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Racism has been around for more than 500 years and will continue . It's NOT an American thing. It's a WORLD thing.

Only a true idiot would not recognize that fact.

Go give someone else your phony open minded , tolerant liberal lecture. Your full of shit and one thing you can't do is admit that your black hero can fuck up just as bad as a white dude .

Hypocrite :P


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As a Homo Erectus and a Modern Man,those stinkin' Neadrathals can really stink up a cave,you know! Outside and downwind,I can talk to 'em sure.But inside,you can't get that stench off of you.Everytime they hug you,you need a disinfectant! It's like they hate water or something.Friggin' Neadrathals,I wouldn't want my sister to marry one,thats fer sure! :mrgreen:

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pedro2 wrote:
Ronny's Noomies wrote:
I guess Republicans go ape-shit when a democrat talking head mildly criticizes Mrs. Romney, but they smile and have nothing to say when someone like Ted Nugent - who has a huge following - says that Obama and Hillary should SUCK ON HIS M-16 (or whatever those automatic weapons were that he was swinging around on stage). Nugent also calls BO a "piece of shit."

The right LOVES this guy! Haven't heard anything from Pedro or Bravo here either.... Here's the link again. It's rich.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI


Don't want my opinion , Noomis ??

Don't ask for it :P


Ronny's Noomies wrote:
3rd, as to your link to the Baltimore beating, obviously this is a horrible thing. There's no reason or excuse for it and you stating that I would justify it somehow shows how out of touch with my views you really are and how rigid yours are. I know you want to make a racial point with the link, along the lines of "BLACK PEOPLE ARE HORRIBLE RACISTS AND WHITE PEOPLE ARE THEIR VICTIMS." This ignores the entire history and context of the racial reality in this country and assumes a level playing field which does not exist.

So, I ain't going there again with you so leave me alone creep.



History tells me that only 18% of the white population were slave owners ..That's the REAL history and blacks can be just as racists as other folks.... creep :lol: :lol:

Can you show me where in history black people systemically discriminated against, formed lynch mobs, murdered, segregated, prevented formalized learning and education, prevented work, unjustly tried and jailed and denied basic human rights to white people? Because you should be able to show us evidence of that if your statement is true. I agree that black people can be racist. We see examples of this, such as the Baltimore beating and media distortions like what NBC edited the Zimmerman footage. That racial violence is no less horrible than it's opposite. But if you believe that history shows that white people are targets of racism on an equal level with black people, you're not interested in a fair conversation. That's the history. If you believe that racism suddenly became equal between blacks/whites, I'd like to hear when that happened Pedro. Was it during Jim Crowe? During the 60s? When Obama was elected? When, exactly, did the occurrence of racism suddenly become equal? Does history matter? What evidence is there that black people have organized and institutionally denied white people basic rights? Can show me where the amount of blood shed by whites is even 1% of that of blacks over the years, including now, because of violent racism? Do you know when black people should forget their own family's history, passed down from generation to generation? When should that stop mattering to them?

I don't expect an answer. Because you don't answer anything else, you just pivot to another ridiculous idea, so why would you answer these questions? How about the Nugent clip I posted? Any thoughts there?

BTW, if it's true that 18% of whites had slaves, what does that mean? Does that make anything different? What does a percentage mean?

For the record, I'm less of an Obama supporter all the time. I do not worship the man. I will vote for him, but he is easily capable of fucking up as any white president is. I wish we had a stronger leftist presence in the White House than Obama. So, you're wrong on that too.

You should quit. You're getting creamed dude.

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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
[Can you show me where in history black people systemically discriminated against, formed lynch mobs, murdered, segregated, prevented formalized learning and education, prevented work, unjustly tried and jailed and denied basic human rights to white people? [b][i]Because you should be able to show us evidence of that if your statement is true.

*Haiti and all the antilles islands,lesser and greater,that at one time or another practiced slavery,had the tables turned until sailing ships with troops could arrive.It could be months and in cases years.Did they do all the above stuff? Yes and more.To some and not others.Basically,in some of the cases,they let the good whites live,sometimes not.Some,like Haiti started they're own governments.Alot of it is documented going back to the English,Dutch,French,Portugal and American colonizations and settlements of the Caribbean Islands.That's all going back to the early-mid 1500's.Today,Haiti has the only African or non Europeon government in the Americas.Just sayin'......** I like history. 8)
Arrrr,the majority of pirates were black,think about that next time at Disneyland.It's rewriting history,thats scewed :!:

*Source:James Michner,The Carribean

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So it's gone from "who's better...republican, democrat, or that other guy (whoever he is at any given moment)" to "who makes the better racist?".
You guys are really funny! Specially Spacebrother using the chip on his shoulder to beat everyone else over the head.
If you're against racism, then fight the thing itself, and stop taking sides as to what colour is better at it. I was living in Trinidad in 1969, when about a third of the black population decided to get rid of the 1% that was white. No slaves. No slave masters. A black government led by a black Prime Minister. But still, black racists started a movement. Trust me...black racists are just as mean as white racists.
Argue about who makes a better racist if you like, but, please, don't tell me one side is worse than the other.

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just plain doug wrote:
So it's gone from "who's better...republican, democrat, or that other guy (whoever he is at any given moment)" to "who makes the better racist?".
You guys are really funny! Specially Spacebrother using the chip on his shoulder to beat everyone else over the head.
If you're against racism, then fight the thing itself, and stop taking sides as to what colour is better at it. I was living in Trinidad in 1969, when about a third of the black population decided to get rid of the 1% that was white. No slaves. No slave masters. A black government led by a black Prime Minister. But still, black racists started a movement. Trust me...black racists are just as mean as white racists.
Argue about who makes a better racist if you like, but, please, don't tell me one side is worse than the other.


Racism sucks.

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Majority of Americans Say Racism Against Blacks Widespread
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109258/Major ... pread.aspx


One sides racism isn't any worse or better than the other sides, but one side is definitely more racist than the other, at least here in The United States of America. There are plenty of sights and links to demographic data that show this.


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pedro2 says to Ronnie's and I that he thinks a "gun barrel would fit nicely into our mouths", and just plain doug says I'm the one with the chip on my shoulder? :?


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Get your clogs and socks on BBP, general elections for the Nederlands are right around the corner.


12th september. And barely anyone here wears clogs.

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BBP wrote:
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Get your clogs and socks on BBP, general elections for the Nederlands are right around the corner.


12th september. And barely anyone here wears clogs.



I hate to state the obvious, but wasn't he doing the Stink Foot thing... :smoke:


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This just in.....Clogs can give you the kind of Stinkfoot as say an occasional tennis shoe or a python boot! :wink:

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Clogs always kind of remind me of the tasteless part of the 70s, ABBA and orange wallpaper - excuse me I'm going to be ill.

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Mind you, the thought that Wilders is no longer in a position of power makes me feel slightly better; Spacebrother - you want a racist? There's a racist!

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Clogs always kind of remind me of the tasteless part of the 70s, ABBA and orange wallpaper - excuse me I'm going to be ill.

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Connecticut abolishes the death penalty

Connecticut has become the 17th state in the US to abolish the death penalty.


Governor Dannel Malloy signed a bill in a low-key ceremony, after legislators voted earlier in April to end capital punishment for all future cases.

Mr Malloy hailed a "historic moment", but said it was time for "sober reflection, not celebration".

The Connecticut decision comes two days after California confirmed voters will be asked in November whether they want to abolish their own death penalty law.

Elsewhere, in North Carolina a convicted man was taken off death row last week after his trial was ruled tainted by racial bias.

Marcus Robinson's case was the first to be heard under North Carolina's Racial Justice Act (RJA).
'Historic moment'

As Mr Malloy signed the bill on Wednesday, a new Quinnipiac University poll suggested that 62% of registered voters in Connecticut still favour the death penalty.

Some 47% of voters disapprove of Mr Malloy's handling of the issue, the poll reported.

Two men sentenced to death in a recent grisly murder case - and the nine others on Connecticut's death row - will not have their sentences commuted.

Joshua Komisarjevsky and Stephen Hayes were convicted of the murder of Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her two daughters inside their Cheshire home in 2007.

Komisarjevsky and Hayes still have appeal rights, and it will probably be years before they are executed.

The murders shocked the US and helped defeat a previous bill to abolish the death penalty in Connecticut.

Dr William Petit, the only survivor of the home invasion attacks, fought to oppose the repeal.

Connecticut has only carried out one execution in 51 years, in 2005. For all future cases the highest penalty will be life imprisonment without parole.

New Mexico passed a similar ban in 2009 and did not reduce the sentences of those previously sent to death row.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17849177

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Good job Connecticut! Where I live in Illinois, they found many cases where innocent people were executed, and Illinois did the right thing. The system is just too fallible....

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Good job Connecticut! Where I live in Illinois, they found many cases where innocent people were executed, and Illinois did the right thing. The system is just too fallible....

...and expensive."First we kill all the lawyers" ~ The Bard
....and 14 + (CA.) years appeals courts,lawyers $$$$ and we still kill innocent people! ~ Me
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Get your clogs and socks on BBP, general elections for the Nederlands are right around the corner.


12th september. And barely anyone here wears clogs.


I know I know, just pulling your leg, buying into the whole silly stereotypical clog, dike, tulip, windmill kind off thing.......

I have a very good friend of Dutch extraction, whom I buy decorative clogs for every year, as a wee reminder of his heritage........it drives him crazy....but I can't help myself, I love it.

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Today's Fun Fact:
What do you do when there's a hole in the dike?

Wrong Answer: Plug it with anything.
Right Answer: Run Like Hell.

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The amphibian withdraws...
"Newt Gingrich to end White House bid and back Romney"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17845674
Did any of the Republicans here like him?

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