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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:32 am 
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Gray_Ghost wrote:
Yikes!

Original release's on barking pumpkin vinyl.

USD$150.00! Broadway the Hardway,
USD$250.00! Them or Us,
USD$400.00! Thing Fish box set.

and a few more listed in the vintage vaultage vinyl.

who in the cosmos is paying these prices?


No one.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:30 pm 
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Not sure about other places around the world but Zappa cd's and vinyl have never been cheap here in Aus (well at least in the time I have been buying).

I'm confused about the actual purpose of the ZFT, are they trying to make money from the collection, trying to conserve the collection for future generations, trying to bring new people to the music or some other reason ?

If they are trying to make a profit from the works they will be pushing shit up hill with a pointy stick as even when Frank was alive his music didnt bring in big bucks.

If they are trying to conserve it great but conservation will see it end up being forgotten and gathering dust.

If they want new people to be exsposed to his music they need to get with the programme and make the music accessable to the generation that have been born since his demise. As has been said time and time again in these pages kids these days dont buy CD's they download what they want. Trying to use a buisness model from another time and place is just stoopid.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:20 pm 
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FalseDichotomy wrote:
Gray_Ghost wrote:
Yikes!

Original release's on barking pumpkin vinyl.

USD$150.00! Broadway the Hardway,
USD$250.00! Them or Us,
USD$400.00! Thing Fish box set.

and a few more listed in the vintage vaultage vinyl.

who in the cosmos is paying these prices?


No one.



I went by the local store and the owner said the stuff is priced out the roof and selling, most of the catalog is on back order... :smoke:


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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:35 am 
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tupong wrote:
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If they are trying to make a profit from the works they will be pushing shit up hill with a pointy stick as even when Frank was alive his music didnt bring in big bucks.
...
If they are trying to conserve it great but conservation will see it end up being forgotten and gathering dust.
...
If they want new people to be exsposed to his music they need to get with the programme and make the music accessable to the generation that have been born since his demise.
...


If it makes you feel any better ... are you ready?

So, our house has over 45k books of literature, about 30k of them in Portuguese, Brazilian and Spanish Literature. So, when dad left us in 1979, there were several universities that wanted it, and UCSB had even done an audit and index of everything for ... I have no idea what reason ... but mom, was a sentimentalist, and did not want to let that go.

Time clock time! It's 2012, and no one gives a shit about the library anymore, and mom has not left us yet, and she is still holding on to a statue that ... well, to be honest, she has published more since his death of his work, than he did in his lifetime, so ... there is a good side to that ... but you think Portugal gives a shit about the library ... NO ... ohh, the socialist bullshit party and government over there is trying to steal the house that we have in there that also has part of the library ... they want the house so they can sell it and go buy another nice car for their sister! You think that any of these universities have talked aobut wanting any of it? Nope as far as I know. You think that anything in that house will be worth anything more than just good paper (nice and dry too!) for a good fire?

So what's left? ... 9 children that got nothing out of it, and no one gives a shit about them. None of us had an education since these institutions don't give a shit about that, and none of my children will ever see college, and most of my nephews won't either.

C'mon ... ask yourself ... what's left? One person stuck on a nice illusion and fantasy about wanting to open a museum in Lisbon, on a house that is already pretty much stolen by a socialist -corrupt government that all they want is to grab that house so they can start collecting more money on the taxes than they would on a house bought 60 years ago, where the taxes are 50 cents! And they are doing this under the guise of a starving public and fake economic situation, where the government is pissed off because they are not getting the money they want from the peons! And are punishing them! So it's my fault, or our family's fault that the economy in Portugal is fucked up!

Gail, more than likely, is too attached to these things to be able to have a good and objective view of these things. If, and that is a HUGE IF, she had the objectivity, she would not have an issue talking about it, or showing up once in a while over here and let us know what is going on! She can't even do that very well, and has to have it done second hand!

Or ... dig this ... some assinine professor finally wrote a bunch of stuff on my dad and it is now in Wiki ... there is only one problem ... it is in Portuguese and now you know why the economy in Portugal is so fucked up ... it's run by people that have the mentality of monkees that would not know what reality is all about ... and no one in the world will ever know anything about this person, or check a book, or bother buying it ... why should you? You don't know anything about it! And that moron, is not interested in making sure that you do ... and my older sister when I mentioned that was all over kissing him for being this and that and an important person ... there you have it ... some idealistic literary bullshit for a handful of people ... and no one else. And you know what these people are saying right? ... another sister of mine says ... "why are you posting anything about this in places where people are uneducated and have no idea what is happening!" ... there you have it ...

It's over ...

I'm not fighting for my "dad", or "country" ... I gained nothing from them ... and whatever knowledge or ability to write I gained I had to learn on my own ... my mom, is not even intelligent enough to read anything I wrote and say something nice about it, and the rest of the family? ... even worse! ... what's the point?

I hope, and pray, that the ZPT is not the same bullshit and crap ... because if it is Dweezil should close shop now and go home ... and then decide if he wants to show off his fingering skills on his cock, or if he wants to play music.

I can appreciate Gail and what she is going through ... but she is from another time and place ... and sometimes, they have not grown up ... into the new place to learn something different, and the likelihood is that ... the whole ZPT is stuck in a timewarp. Not licensing more material is the single stupid'est thing they can do ... regardless of what anyone says ... it's free money for the house once it is out there! but nooooo ...

You're fighting a woman's emotions ... I'm not sure that it can go beyond that ... I can relate, Gail, and I do not envy your position ... but change, in the end, is not any different than changing a t-shirt or a shoe or a sock ... but you don't know that ... all I can say is good luck ... and may the will of the gods be with you ... but I can tell you that I love the music and his work, not the star or the fucking guitar hero ... and maybe one day we will see, and hear more ... like we should ahve the first minute! Who knows?


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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 1:09 pm 
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Wow! Well said. It will fall on deaf ears, no doubt, but still...


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