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Frank Zappa is the greatest musician. Beethoven, Mozart etc. are hacks compared to him.<br><br>"Frank Zappa's music will live well into the age of SLACK and Beyond" - Bob Dobbs 1998.<br><br>

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[quote author=Ruud link=board=legends;num=1049660086;start=0#0 date=04/06/03 at 13:14:46].... Beethoven, Mozart etc. are hacks ...[/quote]<br><br>i didn't know they were hackers...did they have spam back then??

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[quote author=slime.oofytv.set link=board=legends;num=1049660086;start=0#1 date=04/06/03 at 21:09:58]<br><br>i didn't know they were hackers...did they have spam back then??[/quote]eh eh eh eh<br>

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[quote author=Ruud link=board=legends;num=1049660086;start=0#0 date=04/06/03 at 13:14:46]Frank Zappa is the greatest musician. Beethoven, Mozart etc. are hacks compared to him.<br><br>"Frank Zappa's music will live well into the age of SLACK and Beyond" - Bob Dobbs 1998.<br><br>[/quote]<br>Zappa is surely comparable to those great musicians of the past but really I cannot say if he was better than them. I'm sure, anyway, that in 20/30 years Zappa's music will be considered more than now by people and by them who study music's history.<br><br>Ciao

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I think, in 20 odd years, that his music will be played in the same way Beethoven's music is now. He will stand the test of time.

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[quote author=poncho link=board=legends;num=1049660086;start=0#4 date=04/07/03 at 02:34:18]I think, in 20 odd years, that his music will be played in the same way Beethoven's music is now. He will stand the test of time.[/quote]<br>agree agree agree<br>

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[quote author=Ruud link=board=legends;num=1049660086;start=0#0 date=04/06/03 at 13:14:46]... Beethoven, Mozart etc. are hacks compared to him. ...<br><br><br><br>[/quote]<br><br>No need to denigrate others to try to prove your point, especially in matters of taste. Besides, you're preaching to the choir here.<br><br><br>And you're just plain wrong about these particular composers being hacks. Compared to everyone else, they are in the pantheon of composers alongside MANY others, including FZ.

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[quote author=Arkay link=board=legends;num=1049660086;start=0#7 date=04/07/03 at 13:19:09]<br><br>Perhaps he was using the language of the Church of the Subgenius.  He invoked BD, so perhaps their MANY bylaws require the labeling as such.[/quote]<br><br>Arkay - thanks for the tip. How the hell did I miss the "Bob Dobbs" and "slack" references? That helps to explain ALOT.

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[quote author=poncho link=board=legends;num=1049660086;start=0#4 date=04/07/03 at 02:34:18]I think, in 20 odd years, that his music will be played in the same way Beethoven's music is now. He will stand the test of time.[/quote]<br><br>In small circle, surely. But probably not on radios and TVs. Unless some important changes are made. 20 years is too small a gap. I would have said 70 or 80 years.

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[quote author=Arkay link=board=legends;num=1049660086;start=0#7 date=04/07/03 at 13:19:09]<br><br>Perhaps he was using the language of the Church of the Subgenius.  He invoked BD, so perhaps their MANY bylaws require the labeling as such.[/quote]<br><br>The real Bob Dobbs(Not J.R. Bob Dobbs, there is no such person as J.R. Bob Dobbs) said that.<br><br>Bob and Connie are still alive(They're both 81 now). Frank and Gail met them back in the 1960's.<br>

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[quote author=Mij link=board=legends;num=1049660086;start=0#9 date=04/07/03 at 14:24:20]<br><br>In small circle, surely. But probably not on radios and TVs. Unless some important changes are made. 20 years is too small a gap. I would have said 70 or 80 years.[/quote]<br><br>Elsewhere in the forum the duration of dormant phase was expected to be CENTURIES, which I agree with.

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[quote author=MentalTossFlycoon link=board=legends;num=1049660086;start=0#12 date=04/07/03 at 15:21:31]<br>Think about it: there are at least 400 Zappa compositions that have never been heard by anyone. How many more N-Lites or G-Spot Tornados are there? Will any of us live long enough to find out?<br>It boggles the mind...[/quote]<br><br>Do you mean "new compositions" or "variations on old ones" ? If there's really new stock on the way, you know something I don't. For my part, and not wanting to put down the next releases that I'll buy anyway, I think there's not really new compos in the vault. Otherwise, they would release some instead of previous shows. Don't you agree ?

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Stravinsky made Zappa

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Keep the great work!

Zappa fully assimilated Stravinsky but he went WAAAY FURTHER in rhythmic arcitecture and poly-rhythms.

Some of his pieces like Times Beach and Ruth Is Sleeping take what Elliot Carter and even Conlon Nancorrow
did and "trump" it. IMHO. Don't forget Girl In the Magnesium Dress. Try playing that stuff!!

ALSO.....even his idol Varese sounds slightly rudimentary compared to similar Zappa scores.
Some have "pitch extremes" that are incredible. I'm thinkin Mo and Herb's Vacation...


It may be true that he didn't seem to do much with "counterpoint" but the statements of Bach will outshine everyone.

So I think Zappa trumps the other greats of 20th century composition.
He is rightfully one of THE greatest.

This is why we need THE YELLOW SHARK DVD to be properly released by the ZFT.
Frank has to continue to be seen in THIS light.
This is what he was. A composer first and silly goofy rude rocker later.

Comon ZFT, push this side of him more.
Do him a favour!

Absolutely jeddy.
I don't understand why it is not out there. What's the point in going on........

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It would be great if they released this. But I'm pretty sure that the goofy rocker far outsells the composer. And the economic reality these days (without having the goofy rocker/composer around to make more product) is they have to be much more savvy about what comes out.

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FZ was in Rock n roll bands around his first Musical composition dates

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Arf you out of your fucking mind.

I love his rock stuff!
Especially the jazz side...(I'm a guitarist myself)

But I've always loved his orchestral writing as well.
I guess I just feel he's a little underrepresented here by the family.

I know he got disillusioned by it all but It seems that's where his heart was.

I like pretty much all Zappa music and would love more of the Yellow Shark stuff to get a proper release.

However, I do question the assertion that FZ went way beyond IS etc
I sometimes get the feeling that FZ made some of his 'serious' music over-complicated, polyrhythmic, bizarre tuplets , strange sound palettes etc for the sake of doing something different and 'controversial' rather then for the sake of the music.
Although I don't appreciate all of Stravinsky's output I do feel that it is more coherent on the whole, and to say FZ trumped him seems ludicrous.

Only my opinion of course.

I do have a Yellow Shark tattoo. I don't have an 'Agon' tattoo (my personal fave Stravinsky piece).