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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:35 pm 
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One of his main goals was to maximize delegates, so he WAS victorious on that level. The message of liberty, upholding constitutional rights and ending undeclared, illegal wars in the Middle East that are ALL about creating infinite profit for oil barons and other associated war-profiteers (much of the 1%), will not diminish any time soon. You can bet your ass on that! In other words, RP hasn't failed, moron.


He wasn't victorious. He lost the primary to Romney, and still, you have not proven once that I am wrong. Ron Pauls finished. Get over it. Move on. :lol:

If he fell short of the number of delagates needed to win, he lost. Losing is failing. He lost, he failed. This isn't a game of hockey where both teams split an even number of points. You either win, or you lose. :mrgreen:


Romneys delegates aren't going to magically disappear from his column with the help of a little pixie dust and put them into Ron Pauls column.

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Disco Boy wrote:
One of his main goals was to maximize delegates, so he WAS victorious on that level. The message of liberty, upholding constitutional rights and ending undeclared, illegal wars in the Middle East that are ALL about creating infinite profit for oil barons and other associated war-profiteers (much of the 1%), will not diminish any time soon. You can bet your ass on that! In other words, RP hasn't failed, moron.


He wasn't victorious. He lost the primary to Romney, and still, you have not proven once that I am wrong. Ron Pauls finished. Get over it. Move on. :lol:

If he fell short of the number of delagates needed to win, he lost. Losing is failing. He lost, he failed. This isn't a game of hockey where both teams split an even number of points. You either win, or you lose. :mrgreen:

Romneys delegates aren't going to magically disappear from his column with the help of a little pixie dust and put them into Ron Pauls column.


Could you be any more delusional than you are right now? I think not.

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One of his main goals was to maximize delegates, so he WAS victorious on that level. The message of liberty, upholding constitutional rights and ending undeclared, illegal wars in the Middle East that are ALL about creating infinite profit for oil barons and other associated war-profiteers (much of the 1%), will not diminish any time soon. You can bet your ass on that! In other words, RP hasn't failed, moron.

Also, I know it's a long shot but many of Romney's delegates aren't legally bound to vote for him. So, RP has a chance to win even more than 20% of the delegates at the GOP convention in August.

Once you prove or even solidly back up your points regarding ANYTHING to do with Ron Paul's integrity, record, etc., which you have NOT done...maybe next semester, you'll earn a grade higher than an F. But until then your grade level is...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:38 pm 
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You're delusional to believe that Ron Pauls delegates will even matter. He won't be anywhere remotely near the 1144 needed, and thats all that truly matters. He lost. He failed. The guys a washed up old homophobic racist and chauvinistic pig. You're wasting your time with him. Get a clue. Losing is failure, period.

...but maybe if you keep wishing hard enough... :lol:

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...the white power Nationalist Socialist Fairy will make all of your wishes come true, and Ron Paul WILL win. :mrgreen: :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:21 am 
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What part of 20% success rate don't you understand? Not a great number for success as far as I can tell. At best, a 60% number is a "D-" at best, but still, at least it's a passing grade. 20%? lol



SPACEBROTHER, once again I am shocked :? by your calm acceptance of a 20% success rate for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries and caucuses.
Didn't you realize that...
1 a) Over 2 million people voted for Ron Paul for president in the primaries?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/15/ron-r ... z1xyUpUHxU. This means that he gained the support of 1 million more people than in 2008. 2 million is about 7 million less than what is needed to gain the Republican nomination. This means he has the support of many as many people as live in Houston, Texas.

b) Huckabee and Romney both got around 4 million votes in 2008 and we can see how their views have influenced the Republican party today. A total of about 19 and a half million vote for the Republican nominee.

c) If we project that figure and if Ron Paul continues in increasing his share of the vote by the same proportion every 4 years (i.e. doubling it) he will be presidential nominee by 2024 - McCain was elected Republican nominee with slightly over 9 million votes. Ron Paul will be 89 years of age in 2024.

2. Ron Paul currently has 245 delegates, according to the incredibly independent and unbiased site: http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/, a site that is followed religiously by many respected forum members. There are a total of 2,286 delegates. 245 delegates makes 10.71% of the delegates. Once again, you're falling for the Ron Paul propaganda as you always do. The 500 projected delegates is entirely based on metaphysical astrology. If we base the delegate count on the obviously biased wikepedia count he has 101 delegates according to the hard count ( 4.41%) and 143 (6.2%) according to the soft count. Mind you, we'll have to wait and see how they vote!

You fail! (and I probably do as well as I'm crap at Maths; I'm sure I've made a mistake somewhere).
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You're delusional to believe that Ron Pauls delegates will even matter. He won't be anywhere remotely near the 1144 needed, and thats all that truly matters. He lost. He failed. The guys a washed up old homophobic racist and chauvinistic pig. You're wasting your time with him. Get a clue. Losing is failure, period.

...but maybe if you keep wishing hard enough... :lol:

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...the white power Nationalist Socialist Fairy will make all of your wishes come true, and Ron Paul WILL win. :mrgreen: :roll:


Delusional? RP's delegates won't matter?! Then why are there numerous reports from media and even statements from Santorum himself, admitting that they will be a force at the Tampa GOP convention in August?! :roll:

But then again, this is coming from someone who doesn't even remotely understand the difference between Ron Paul's personal beliefs vs. his political platform and from someone who throws libellous claims at RP, yet can't back them up with any substance, let alone PROVE. A. GOD. DAMN. THING. :)

POT. KETTLE. BLACK.

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tweedle-dumb wrote:
What part of 20% success rate don't you understand? Not a great number for success as far as I can tell. At best, a 60% number is a "D-" at best, but still, at least it's a passing grade. 20%? lol


SPACEBROTHER, once again I am shocked :? by your calm acceptance of a 20% success rate for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries and caucuses.
Didn't you realize that...
1 a) Over 2 million people voted for Ron Paul for president in the primaries?
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/15/ron-r ... z1xyUpUHxU. This means that he gained the support of 1 million more people than in 2008. 2 million is about 7 million less than what is needed to gain the Republican nomination. This means he has the support of many as many people as live in Houston, Texas.

b) Huckabee and Romney both got around 4 million votes in 2008 and we can see how their views have influenced the Republican party today. A total of about 19 and a half million vote for the Republican nominee.

c) If we project that figure and if Ron Paul continues in increasing his share of the vote by the same proportion every 4 years (i.e. doubling it) he will be presidential nominee by 2024 - McCain was elected Republican nominee with slightly over 9 million votes. Ron Paul will be 89 years of age in 2024.

2. Ron Paul currently has 245 delegates, according to the incredibly independent and unbiased site: http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/, a site that is followed religiously by many respected forum members. There are a total of 2,286 delegates. 245 delegates makes 10.71% of the delegates. Once again, you're falling for the Ron Paul propaganda as you always do. The 500 projected delegates is entirely based on metaphysical astrology. If we base the delegate count on the obviously biased wikepedia count he has 101 delegates according to the hard count ( 4.41%) and 143 (6.2%) according to the soft count. Mind you, we'll have to wait and see how they vote!


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You fail! (and I probably do as well as I'm crap at Maths; I'm sure I've made a mistake somewhere).
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Well, at least you got something correct. That's a positive. :wink:

Btw, tweedle-dee, some of your stats are WAY OFF, especially the amount of current Ron Paul supporters. He has WAY MORE than 2 million supporters. Not to mention, there are still HUNDREDS more delegates to be won. But keep that over-analytical-metaphysical-BS mind of yours workin'. After all, it IS very entertaining...:wink:

Ron Paul is NOWHERE near a failure.

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General question to anyone interested. Does anyone know how many people voted for Ron Paul? I got the figure of 2 million from a Ron Paul campaigner named Jack Hunter, who also writes blogs on his sites. On http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/15/ron-r ... z1y1h1ctOb he writes: "Over 2 million people voted for Ron Paul for president in this election. That’s double the amount from his 2008 campaign." I'm assuming here that over 2 million does not mean 3 million.
[Edit: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R gives the official number of Ron Paul voters as 2,039,022, i.e. 10.97%. Gingrich got 2,717,866, i.e. 14.62%, Santorum 3,906,272, i.e. 21.02% and Romney 9,480,169, i.e. 51%. This makes Santorum almost twice as popular (amongst Republican voters) than Ron Paul. I wonder if there are any other figures out there?]

As regards Ron Paul's claim that he has 200 bound delegates and "...we will send several hundred additional supporters to Tampa who, while bound to Romney, believe in our ideas of liberty, constitutional government, and a common-sense foreign policy. When it is all said and done, we will likely have as many as 500 supporters as delegates on the convention floor. That is just over 20 percent!", PolitFact. com ( http://www.politifact.com/texas/stateme ... -his-cand/) rates this "mostly false".

The obviously totally biased Associated Press numbers of the 2024 delegates already decided are currently: Romney 1480, Santorum 267, Gingrich 138, Paul 137, Huntsman 2. http://hosted.ap.org/interactives/2012/ ... e-tracker/. Although these should probably be adjusted to: Paul 157, Romney 1471 after the Iowa vote yesterday and Friday. BTW can anyone tell me what was the point of the caucuses in Iowa? Ron Paul comes third yet gets 21 of 28 delegates?

Even if we believe Ron Paul, 300 of his "500 delegates" are not going to be able to vote for him. That is 60% of his "over 20%" of delegates.

Actually, in Iowa, where delegates are not bound to a candidate it has been reported that:
"[Ron Paul delegate] Cushman said he doesn’t anticipate any attempt to nominate Paul as president instead of Romney – members of the liberty movement simply want to espouse the Paul message.
“The goal is not to embarrass the party,” he said. “The goal is to make the party stronger and broaden the base, and walk the Republican talk.”
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/articl ... ck_check=1

Cushman's really talking the R3VOLUTIONARY talk, isn't he?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:28 am 
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None of this matters. Ron Paul is NOT going to win squat. Not winning is losing. Losing is failing. Disco Boy must be a closet Bush supporter, because thats the kind of mentality that is most likely to call failure, success.

It's all over. Ron Paul failed to get 1144 delegates. He won't even be remotely close. Losing is failing.



I'll explain this process very slowly so that Disco Bushbaby can understand...

There are approximately 400 million people who live in the United States.

Out of those, roughly half are elegable to vote, perhaps 200 million people.

Out of that number, maybe as many as 150 million will actually vote.

2 million out of 150 million is an insignificant number. It won't change anything, especially on a national level.

Going from .000001% to .000002% only means he failed slightly less, but still, a massive failure on every account. Thats pretty much all that any and all Republicans actually succeed at, failure...well that, and being able to so easily dupe about 50 or 60 million dumbasses to go along with their racism, homophobia and religious wack job idiocy.


Failure is still failure. Ron Paul is a failure. I didn't realise how ignorant these Ron Paul women hating, homophobic, racist supporters actually were, but Disco Bushbaby is going a long way to confirm that fact to me.


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None of this matters. Ron Paul is NOT going to win squat. Not winning is losing. Losing is failing. Disco Boy must be a closet Bush supporter, because thats the kind of mentality that is most likely to call failure, success.

It's all over. Ron Paul failed to get 1144 delegates. He won't even be remotely close. Losing is failing.



I'll explain this process very slowly so that Disco Bushbaby can understand...

There are approximately 400 million people who live in the United States.

Out of those, roughly half are elegable to vote, perhaps 200 million people.

Out of that number, maybe as many as 150 million will actually vote.

2 million out of 150 million is an insignificant number. It won't change anything, especially on a national level.

Going from .000001% to .000002% only means he failed slightly less, but still, a massive failure on every account. Thats pretty much all that any and all Republicans actually succeed at, failure...well that, and being able to so easily dupe about 50 or 60 million dumbasses to go along with their racism, homophobia and religious wack job idiocy.


Failure is still failure. Ron Paul is a failure. I didn't realise how ignorant these Ron Paul women hating, homophobic, racist supporters actually were, but Disco Bushbaby is going a long way to confirm that fact to me.


Republicans win, WE ALL LOSE, unless your a billionaire.


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One of his main goals was to maximize delegates, so he WAS victorious on that level. The message of liberty, upholding constitutional rights and ending undeclared, illegal wars in the Middle East that are ALL about creating infinite profit for oil barons and other associated war-profiteers (much of the 1%), will not diminish any time soon. You can bet your ass on that!

Btw, some of your #s are BS. There are not 400 million people that live in the US. There are currently slightly less than 314 million people that live in the US. Also, Ron Paul has at least 20% of the GOP delegates and only about 150 million of Americans vote. So since basically 40%-50% of those are Republicans, that means since RP has won at least 6 states and is close in 3 more, RP has nearly 10 million supporters in the US. More, if Santorum and/or Gingrich release their delegate counts. Not only that and I know it's a long shot but many of Romney's delegates aren't legally bound to vote for him. So, RP has a chance to win even more than 20% of the delegates at the GOP convention in August.

Once you prove or even solidly back up your points regarding ANYTHING to do with Ron Paul's integrity, record, etc., which you have NOT done...maybe next semester, you'll earn a grade higher than an F. But until then your grade level is...

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In other words, RP hasn't failed, moron.

As usual, you don't know shit.

See ya tomorrow... :)

And no, I'm no Bush supporter (either of 'em).

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:47 pm 
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... and I know it's a long shot but...

No, you don't know. It's a "no shot", but...


Earth to Disco Bore...
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... There are currently slightly less than 314 million people that live in the US. Also, Ron Paul has at least 20% of the GOP delegates and only about 150 million of Americans vote. So since basically 40%-50% of those are Republicans, that means since RP has won at least 6 states and is close in 3 more, RP has nearly 10 million supporters in the US. More, if Santorum and/or Gingrich release their delegate counts. Not only that and I know it's a long shot but...


Earth to Disco Bore. Where do you get this 10 million number from? Are you high or just ignint?

As of this precise moment, Ron Paul has an exact total of 2,037,493 votes. Nowhere remotely close to the 10 million number Disco Bore just pulled out of his posterior. Hell, Romney doesn't even have 10 million votes.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... count.html



Disco Bore wrote:
... Once you prove or even solidly back up your points regarding ANYTHING to do with Ron Paul's integrity, record, etc.,
I just did, yet again. Can't take it? Tough!!! :mrgreen:

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... And no, I'm no Bush supporter (either of 'em).
Coulda' fooled me. :lol:




Though lets not distract from another piece of reality, that seems to challenge the very intellect of these racist homophobe women hating job killing union busting Republican Ron Paul supporters...

As of right at this exact moment...

Romney has 9,477,091 votes, Santorum has exactly 3,900,138, Gingrich 2,713,659 and Paul has 2,037,493 (where exactly the fuck did Disco Bore come up with 10 million? A Ron Paul sight? :lol: ). These numbers also reflect non-US provinces who get to vote in the US elections like Guam, Virgin Islands ect.


Slowly now for the dimwitted :wink:

That comes to a grand total of 18,128,381 votes.

divide that number by 20% and you get 3,625,676.2 :lol:

Ron Paul does NOT have 20% of the vote or even remotely close. Nice try, but no Lewinsky twat cigar for you.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... count.html


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Btw, some of your #s are BS. There are not 400 million people that live in the US. There are currently slightly less than 314 million people that live in the US. Also, Ron Paul has at least 20% of the GOP delegates and only about 150 million of Americans vote. So since basically 40%-50% of those are Republicans, that means since RP has won at least 6 states and is close in 3 more, RP has nearly 10 million supporters in the US. More, if Santorum and/or Gingrich release their delegate counts. Not only that and I know it's a long shot but many of Romney's delegates aren't legally bound to vote for him. So, RP has a chance to win even more than 20% of the delegates at the GOP convention in August.



(Ever a man of my word) Disco boy - greetings!
It seems to me, that you are talking about potential supporters of Ron Paul, rather than people who actually voted for him in the Republican nomination for President. This is, IMO, a little bit wicked, as my original post (which is confirmed by Ron Paul campaigners, as well as the official statistics) was referring to the people who actually voted for Ron Paul up until today, in what Ron Paul supporters refer to as a "straw poll".
However, setting all this aside, let's go through the logic of your statements.

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There are not 400 million people that live in the US. There are currently slightly less than 314 million people that live in the US.

Right! I agree!

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Ron Paul has at least 20% of the GOP delegates

Mostly wrong, I'm afraid. Ron Paul has (even according to his own estimate) slightly over 200 "bound" delegates. That makes under 10% of delegates. He talks about up to 300 bound-to-Romney delegates, but even he admits that they will have to vote for Romney. Your favourite site which quotes your current figure of 245 delegates for Paul, with an embarassingly diminishing number of informational pins and quotes many Ron Paul blogs for its figures, is currently not available I notice.

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[O]nly about 150 million of Americans vote. So since basically 40%-50% of those are Republicans, that means since RP has won at least 6 states and is close in 3 more.

The first part of this statement is approximately correct i.e. around 130 million Americans voted in the last election. The following is pretty confused; you're concluding from presidential elections what people vote for in Republican nomination "straw polls". Actually, you're not even doing that; you're confusing what results were reached in the straw polls with the elections for delegates. Which is an entirely different process in many states.
Example Iowa: Santorum gets 25%, Romney 25% and Paul 21% in the straw poll. Paul's supporters take over the nomination of delegates and get 21 of 28 delegates. In some states delegates are bound, in some states they are not bound. Some states are bigger, some states are smaller. Some send a lot of delegates, some send hardly any.
In fact, even on the Ron Paul message boards, his supporters are worried that he does not have the plurality in the requisite 5 states to get on the ballot at all. http://www.dailypaul.com/240740/ron-pau ... difference.
Plus, the elibility to take part in the election of a Republican nominee varies from state to state.

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RP has nearly 10 million supporters in the US.

The above does not logically follow from what you have previously stated (or even mathemetically).

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More, if Santorum and/or Gingrich release their delegate counts.

Is this reallly likely? Since Paul and his opponents have been pissing over each other for the last six months, do you really think a) Gingrich and Santorum are likely to endorse Paul? b) That people who support Gingrich and Santorum are likely to vote for Paul? c) Would you be happy if they did so?

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many of Romney's delegates aren't legally bound to vote for him.
Wow! So you think that people who haven't voted for Paul are about to turn around, see the light and vote for Paul? Man, your faith in the fact that people are going to come around to your point of view is overwhelming.

If you can explain the logic of what appears to me to be the most extreme example of metaphysical astrology I have ever read in my life, then Ron Paul is GOD!

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What,you didn't get the memo? :mrgreen:

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Disco Boy wrote:
... and I know it's a long shot but...

No, you don't know. It's a "no shot", but...

Earth to Disco Bore...
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Disco Boy wrote:
... There are currently slightly less than 314 million people that live in the US. Also, Ron Paul has at least 20% of the GOP delegates and only about 150 million of Americans vote. So since basically 40%-50% of those are Republicans, that means since RP has won at least 6 states and is close in 3 more, RP has nearly 10 million supporters in the US. More, if Santorum and/or Gingrich release their delegate counts. Not only that and I know it's a long shot but...


Earth to Disco Bore. Where do you get this 10 million number from?


Math. Heard of it?

tweedle-dumb wrote:
Are you high or just ignint?


Are you naturally a moron or do you have to work at it?

tweedle-dumb wrote:
As of this precise moment, Ron Paul has an exact total of 2,037,493 votes. Nowhere remotely close to the 10 million number Disco Bore just pulled out of his posterior. Hell, Romney doesn't even have 10 million votes.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... count.html


The above site is so far from reality, that it's not even funny. It actually shows RP behind Gingrich and Santorum in delegate counts and lists out of date stats that mostly are from months ago and that are NOWHERE near complete. If there were really only 18,128,381 Republican voters, then they wouldn't stand a change against the Democrats. As of today, RP has 263 delegates, which is at least 23% of the total GOP delegates count. :roll:

tweedle-dumb wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
... Once you prove or even solidly back up your points regarding ANYTHING to do with Ron Paul's integrity, record, etc.,
I just did, yet again. :mrgreen:


Nope.

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... And no, I'm no Bush supporter (either of 'em).
Coulda' fooled me. :lol:


Almost ANYBODY has the ability to fool you. And that's because you're a fucking moron.

tweedle-dumb wrote:
Though lets not distract from another piece of reality, that seems to challenge the very intellect of these racist homophobe women hating job killing union busting Republican Ron Paul supporters...


You still haven't proven the above to be true. Nor will you EVER. And that's because it's not.

tweedle-dumb wrote:
As of right at this exact moment...

Romney has 9,477,091 votes, Santorum has exactly 3,900,138, Gingrich 2,713,659 and Paul has 2,037,493 (where exactly the fuck did Disco Bore come up with 10 million? A Ron Paul sight? :lol: ). These numbers also reflect non-US provinces who get to vote in the US elections like Guam, Virgin Islands ect.


Slowly now for the dimwitted :wink:

That comes to a grand total of 18,128,381 votes.

divide that number by 20% and you get 3,625,676.2 :lol:

Ron Paul does NOT have 20% of the vote or even remotely close. Nice try, but no Lewinsky twat cigar for you.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... count.html


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ONE MORE TIME FOR THE WORLD:

The above site is so far from reality, that it's not even funny. It actually shows Ron Paul behind Gingrich and Santorum in delegate counts and lists out of date stats that mostly are from months ago and that are NOWHERE near complete. If there were really only 18,128,381 Republican voters, then they wouldn't stand a change against the Democrats. As of today, RP has more delegates than Gingrich or Santorum with 263 delegates, which is at least 23% of the total GOP delegates count :roll:

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See ya in September...

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Btw, some of your #s are BS. There are not 400 million people that live in the US. There are currently slightly less than 314 million people that live in the US. Also, Ron Paul has at least 20% of the GOP delegates and only about 150 million of Americans vote. So since basically 40%-50% of those are Republicans, that means since RP has won at least 6 states and is close in 3 more, RP has nearly 10 million supporters in the US. More, if Santorum and/or Gingrich release their delegate counts. Not only that and I know it's a long shot but many of Romney's delegates aren't legally bound to vote for him. So, RP has a chance to win even more than 20% of the delegates at the GOP convention in August.


(Ever a man of my word) Disco boy - greetings!
It seems to me, that you are talking about potential supporters of Ron Paul, rather than people who actually voted for him in the Republican nomination for President. This is, IMO, a little bit wicked, as my original post (which is confirmed by Ron Paul campaigners, as well as the official statistics) was referring to the people who actually voted for Ron Paul up until today, in what Ron Paul supporters refer to as a "straw poll".
However, setting all this aside, let's go through the logic of your statements.


No, I'm talking about both supporters/voters. Because if you're a Ron Paul supporter, you're going to vote for him. In almost all cases, they're not interchangeable.

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There are not 400 million people that live in the US. There are currently slightly less than 314 million people that live in the US.

Right! I agree!


Well, it's good to know, you're now right about two things, instead of just one. :wink:

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Ron Paul has at least 20% of the GOP delegates

Mostly wrong, I'm afraid. Ron Paul has (even according to his own estimate) slightly over 200 "bound" delegates. That makes under 10% of delegates. He talks about up to 300 bound-to-Romney delegates, but even he admits that they will have to vote for Romney. Your favourite site which quotes your current figure of 245 delegates for Paul, with an embarassingly diminishing number of informational pins and quotes many Ron Paul blogs for its figures, is currently not available I notice.


Incorrect. And stop misquoting Ron Paul. :roll:

Many of Romney's delegates are NOT legally bound to vote for Romney. And the site, http://thereal2012delegatecount.com/ is a VERY trustworthy site. As of today, RP has 263 delegates, which is basically at least 23% of the total GOP delegates. Why you're even debating that is purely laughable.

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[O]nly about 150 million of Americans vote. So since basically 40%-50% of those are Republicans, that means since RP has won at least 6 states and is close in 3 more.

The first part of this statement is approximately correct i.e. around 130 million Americans voted in the last election. The following is pretty confused; you're concluding from presidential elections what people vote for in Republican nomination "straw polls". Actually, you're not even doing that; you're confusing what results were reached in the straw polls with the elections for delegates. Which is an entirely different process in many states.
Example Iowa: Santorum gets 25%, Romney 25% and Paul 21% in the straw poll. Paul's supporters take over the nomination of delegates and get 21 of 28 delegates.


I didn't deduce my estimate from straw polls. I deduced it from analyzing each state's population and considering that on average 40%-50% of the 50% of the public will vote Republican, then factored in RP's delegates count in particular states. A perfectly reasonable way of estimating. Even if you're right, and 130 million Americans end up voting, instead of 150 million, that doesn't make much of a dent in RP's supporter/voter base estimate total.

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In some states delegates are bound, in some states they are not bound. Some states are bigger, some states are smaller. Some send a lot of delegates, some send hardly any.


I know that already. :roll:

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In fact, even on the Ron Paul message boards, his supporters are worried that he does not have the plurality in the requisite 5 states to get on the ballot at all. http://www.dailypaul.com/240740/ron-pau ... difference.

Plus, the elibility to take part in the election of a Republican nominee varies from state to state.


It's not that they're necessarily worried. It's just that they're scrutinizing the differences between plurality and majority. :roll:

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The above does not logically follow from what you have previously stated (or even mathemetically).


Yes, it does. But then again, this is you... :wink:

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More, if Santorum and/or Gingrich release their delegate counts.

Is this reallly likely? Since Paul and his opponents have been pissing over each other for the last six months, do you really think a) Gingrich and Santorum are likely to endorse Paul? b) That people who support Gingrich and Santorum are likely to vote for Paul? c) Would you be happy if they did so?


Yes. a) I don't know. b) Some will, some won't. c). Yes.

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many of Romney's delegates aren't legally bound to vote for him.
Wow! So you think that people who haven't voted for Paul are about to turn around, see the light and vote for Paul? Man, your faith in the fact that people are going to come around to your point of view is overwhelming.


If you think that I meant or implied ALL Romney supporters will suddenly have a change of heart and vote for RP, that's not the case. :roll: But I do know SOME of them will...

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Let me know how that all works out for you Disco Bore...

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This gentlemen, a Ron Paul supporter, posting on the daily paul site, says everything for me...


"OF COURSE if you just arbitrarily make up numbers it can come out positive.

AS for unbinding, you can forget about the lawsuit. IT is a joke in a HUGE way. Let's just pretend that the case is heard before the Convention (it won't be.) and that they get the judge they want (if they were REAL lawyers they would know you can't CHOOSE your judge) and then let's pretend even more than they win the case...that STILL wouldn't unbind delegates!

This lawsuit is accepting the FACT (that Ron Paul also accepts) that delegates are currently bound. And WHY are they bound? So that the nominee reflects the will of the voters. And over half voted for Romney while less than 1 in 9 people voted for Ron Paul.

So explain to me why a judge would say "Well...due to this alleged cheating where you have brought your 2nd grade level analysis of statistics to prove, I have decided the only fair thing to do is to disenfranchise all of Romney's voters."

And then there is that pesky matter of Ron Paul only having 500 SUPPORTERS...bound or unbound...which is almost 60% short of what is needed.

But I guess if it makes you feel better to waste your time (if it is possibly for you to waste your life more than you already do..it isn't like you had a pesky job to do on a weekday instead of this silly analysis) to come up with "let's pretend" facts, then so be it. It is just that most people grow out of Let's Pretend some time around age 6."
http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2572956

Disco Boy has still to explain the fact that even if one ignores every official result even one of Ron Paul's campaigners Jack Hunter said this on June 15th: "Over 2 million people voted for Ron Paul for president in this election. That’s double the amount from his 2008 campaign." This is the man who writes the Paulitical Ticker on http://www.ronpaul2012.com/, Paul's official site and he is underestimating Paul's numbers by 8 million! I think they should seriously consider firing him.

BTW where do the real delegate count get 263 delegates from? The real delegate count site (now back on line and wthout that stupid map) lists 255 Paul delegates if one scrolls down. Underneath that bit you always use for your signature. Even they list a grand total of 1717 delegates decided. 263 (your number) is not 23% of 1717. It is just over 15%. The actual total number of delegates who will nominate the Republican candidate is 2,286. Thus, currently Paul has 11.5% according to your rather bizzare figures. Your weird calculation doesn't even work if you accept that we are referring only to "delegates who prefer a candidate, not those "bound" to a candidate", and this is based on the premise that a law suit that is unlikely to succeed succeeds. 829 delegates, Ron Paul has 263 = slightly over 30%.
We're off in Lewis Caroll land again, except I've heard that he was good at maths although I'm sure you're not a pederast like he was .

In closing, I notice now that your signature has gone down from 11 states to 9 states to 6 states . I wonder when we will reach zero states? Will Ron Paul win the Republican nomination when he he has won no states at all?

It is hardly surprising that you're constantly making comparisons with the Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland. Like Alice you're stuck in Wonderland.

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Let me know how that all works out for you Disco Bore...

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Great retort! :wink:

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This gentlemen, a Ron Paul supporter, posting on the daily paul site, says everything for me...


"OF COURSE if you just arbitrarily make up numbers it can come out positive.

AS for unbinding, you can forget about the lawsuit. IT is a joke in a HUGE way. Let's just pretend that the case is heard before the Convention (it won't be.) and that they get the judge they want (if they were REAL lawyers they would know you can't CHOOSE your judge) and then let's pretend even more than they win the case...that STILL wouldn't unbind delegates!

This lawsuit is accepting the FACT (that Ron Paul also accepts) that delegates are currently bound. And WHY are they bound? So that the nominee reflects the will of the voters. And over half voted for Romney while less than 1 in 9 people voted for Ron Paul.

So explain to me why a judge would say "Well...due to this alleged cheating where you have brought your 2nd grade level analysis of statistics to prove, I have decided the only fair thing to do is to disenfranchise all of Romney's voters."

And then there is that pesky matter of Ron Paul only having 500 SUPPORTERS...bound or unbound...which is almost 60% short of what is needed.

But I guess if it makes you feel better to waste your time (if it is possibly for you to waste your life more than you already do..it isn't like you had a pesky job to do on a weekday instead of this silly analysis) to come up with "let's pretend" facts, then so be it. It is just that most people grow out of Let's Pretend some time around age 6."
http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/2572956

Disco Boy has still to explain the fact that even if one ignores every official result even one of Ron Paul's campaigners Jack Hunter said this on June 15th: "Over 2 million people voted for Ron Paul for president in this election. That’s double the amount from his 2008 campaign." This is the man who writes the Paulitical Ticker on http://www.ronpaul2012.com/, Paul's official site and he is underestimating Paul's numbers by 8 million! I think they should seriously consider firing him.


Your link doesn't show the supposed statements made by the RP supporter or Jack Hunter. Provide an exact link. I would hate to think you're making these quotes up. :wink:

Are ALL Republican Delegates UNBOUND? Watch and see...:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEsXyXfIZgY

And btw, even if that is Hunter's actual quote, he apparently said "OVER" 2 million, which is correct. Also, people are still voting for Ron Paul and this election is still ongoing, in case you didn't already know, especially since there are still 846 delegates to be chosen and/or given up. :roll:

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BTW where do the real delegate count get 263 delegates from? The real delegate count site (now back on line and wthout that stupid map) lists 255 Paul delegates if one scrolls down.


Near the top of the page highlighted in yellow font. :roll:

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Underneath that bit you always use for your signature. Even they list a grand total of 1717 delegates decided. 263 (your number) is not 23% of 1717. It is just over 15%.


I actually made a mistake when calculating the percentage. I accidentally divided Romney's then current total of 1177, instead of the then current total of GOP delegates, which was 1717. Today it's 1725. My bad.

But according to Ron Paul himself, by the August GOP Convention in Tampa, he will have at least 20% of the total GOP delegates. And since RP is right about things 99% of the time, not to mention this is an ongoing election, so people are still voting for him AND there are still 846 delegates to be chosen and/or given up, that's a good estimate.

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The actual total number of delegates who will nominate the Republican candidate is 2,286.


I know. :roll:

tweedle-dee wrote:
Thus, currently Paul has 11.5% according to your rather bizzare figures. Your weird calculation doesn't even work if you accept that we are referring only to "delegates who prefer a candidate, not those "bound" to a candidate", and this is based on the premise that a law suit that is unlikely to succeed succeeds. 829 delegates, Ron Paul has 263 = slightly over 30%.
We're off in Lewis Caroll land again, except I've heard that he was good at maths although I'm sure you're not a pederast like he was.


No. I said the total GOP delegates total, as in the CURRENT total, since it's obviously changing almost daily and of course, there are still 846 delegates to be chosen and/or given up. :roll:

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In closing, I notice now that your signature has gone down from 11 states to 9 states to 6 states . I wonder when we will reach zero states? Will Ron Paul win the Republican nomination when he he has won no states at all?


No. You see, this forum only allows 255 characters in your signature. So in order to include the appropriate info, I need to toss other info. But if you were smart enough, you probably already would've figured that out. :wink:

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It is hardly surprising that you're constantly making comparisons with the Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland. Like Alice you're stuck in Wonderland.


So, let's recap. You're right for the 3rd time. Congrats! I hope you get to a 4th time! :wink:

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To read the post from the Ron Paul supporter I posted above you have to click on the words "Of course if you just" and the words appear.
Perhaps this link will work better for you:
http://www.dailypaul.com/241126/a-state ... nt-2572956
I already posted the link to Jack Hunter talking about over 2 million Ron Paul voters in a previous post above, but here it is yet again: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/15/ron-r ... z1y1h1ctOb.

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To read the post from the Ron Paul supporter I posted above you have to click on the words "Of course if you just" and the words appear.
Perhaps this link will work better for you:
http://www.dailypaul.com/241126/a-state ... nt-2572956
I already posted the link to Jack Hunter talking about over 2 million Ron Paul voters in a previous post above, but here it is yet again: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/15/ron-r ... z1y1h1ctOb.


Well, thanks for the links. But of course, for reasons already explicitly stated, they're both wrong.

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Disco Boy, I hate to say it, but I don't think you have a very firm grasp on how this Republican nomination process works. This is revealed by the comments you make above. Now, I think there's little point in me attempting to educate you as you wouldn't believe me anyway. Why don't you go to one of the many Ron Paul sites and read up on it a bit?

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some dumbass wrote:

I actually made a mistake when calculating the percentage. I accidentally divided Romney's then current total of 1177, instead of the then current total of GOP delegates, which was 1717. Today it's 1725. My bad.

...No. I said the total GOP delegates total, as in the CURRENT total...


Nice backtrack there, and yes, I've been telling you that you're wrong for months now. Nothing new.

He won't win. Why bother. His delegates are insignificant. Game over. Ron "fail" Paul. End of story.

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I couldn't possibly dumb this down any further for dodo boob. It's over.


The only thing Ron Paul stands to gain is to keep taking campaign contributions from a bunch of suckers, and then ultimately give them to his Nazi son Rand. The apple always falls right next to the tree.

Oh well. Pointless to discuss this with a complete dolt.

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Ron Paul seems like a nice man. Kinda like my Grand Dad.

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Ron Paul seems like a nice man. Kinda like my Grand Dad.


Ron Paul? Really?

What scares me is Romney.
Recently repackaged for extra flavor
and while courteous as a butler on the stump
he wouldn't think twice about buying your town and selling it for kindling
if he thought somebody might like that.
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Ron Paul seems like a nice man. Kinda like my Grand Dad.


Ron Paul? Really?

What scares me is Romney.
Recently repackaged for extra flavor
and while courteous as a butler on the stump
he wouldn't think twice about buying your town and selling it for kindling
if he thought somebody might like that.
Better the
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Disco Boy, I hate to say it, but I don't think you have a very firm grasp on how this Republican nomination process works. This is revealed by the comments you make above. Now, I think there's little point in me attempting to educate you as you wouldn't believe me anyway. Why don't you go to one of the many Ron Paul sites and read up on it a bit?


The way I've explicitly explained things to you, is about as clear as it gets. Not only do you not understand simple math...but unfortunately, English is not your strong suit either.

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I actually made a mistake when calculating the percentage. I accidentally divided Romney's then current total of 1177, instead of the then current total of GOP delegates, which was 1717. Today it's 1725. My bad.

...No. I said the total GOP delegates total, as in the CURRENT total...


Nice backtrack there, and yes, I've been telling you that you're wrong for months now. Nothing new.


There's no backtracking here. I simply made a calculating mistake. And I admitted it. There's hardly a major difference in the current total. But then again, this is you: someone who shits out libellous statements about Ron Paul, yet YOU. CAN'T. PROVE. A. SINGLE. GOD. DAMN. CLAIM. about his record or integrity. Not to mention that YOU'VE BEEN OWNED INTO OBLIVION by me. :roll:

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He won't win. Why bother. His delegates are insignificant. Game over. Ron "fail" Paul. End of story.

I couldn't possibly dumb this down any further for dodo boob. It's over.


The message of liberty & upholding constitutional rights and ending the illegal, undeclared wars in the Middle East that are ALL about making oil barons and other associated war-profiteers wealthier, is self-admittedly larger than Ron Paul. It's only getting started, you ultra-moronic-windbag. Wait, watch and see...

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The only thing Ron Paul stands to gain is to keep taking campaign contributions from a bunch of suckers, and then ultimately give them to his Nazi son Rand. The apple always falls right next to the tree.

Oh well. Pointless to discuss this with a complete dolt.

Keep on wishin'....ya just never know... :lol:


ROTF! :mrgreen:

You have to be joking? Oh the irony of that statement. And there you go again with libellous statements you CANNOT PROVE.

Obama receives a HUGE chunk of his campaign contributions from Goldman Sachs (you know, one of THE very financial institutions that helped crash the economy four years ago! :roll: ). And so does Romney. Don't you get it? There is virtually NO difference between them. They share almost entirely the same platform. The both are pro-war, anti-constitution and anti-freedom. They are both puppets for the US Military Industrial Complex (look it up, since I know you don't know what it means). This is something you've CONVENIENTLY ignored whenever I've tried to talk about these issues with you on this forum.

You are THE biggest fucking idiot on this board by a MILE. You make Trendmonger look sane.


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