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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:46 am 
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But, who is the fool?

No one is asking anyone to get washed in the holy waters of 9/11 truth. All I've ever asked is that people take a good look for themselves. I'm not preaching...

...but you have to understand that if a person becomes convinced that the whole event was a hoax, the implications are tremendous, and the person would want others to know.

I'm not going to go along pretending we weren't fooled. It's obvious to me that we were...and I'm not alone at all.

...and I sure as Hell will not play along with evil deeds.

...and really, is that all you got?



I have read the hell out of the stuff and all in all it looks like the conspiracy was that the government knew something was going too happened and if they allowed it, it would allow them to do their war thing. The problem the Terrorist were far more effective and efficient than they every expected.

The major conspiracy points as I see them;

Missile at Pentagon – This looked good at first but too many people saw the plane. The damage not fitting the event is nullified by the physics of a plane traveling at high speed hitting a reinforced structure.

Demolition of World Trade Center – This looked good at first also, but understanding the structural design of the building allows for the total structural collapse due the bearing load being overly shifted and the floor design allowing for the pancake collapse.

Plane in Pennsylvania shoot down – That may very well be true and would not surprise me, but the families who have heard the recording from the cockpit are satisfied, I don’t think it would be a bit surprising if the government did shoot it down they would cover it up. Again too many people saw what happened.

World Trade center 7 – Here is the fly in the soup, this collapse just doesn’t make sense especially when other buildings near by took greater damage from the collapse and stayed standing. The building design was severely flawed or they had that building rigged for some reason (it was home base to many agencies), this needs a far clearer explanation than has been given.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:56 am 
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You're almost there, plook.

Pennsylvania and the Pentagon are perplexing, but buildings falling straight down in a matter of seconds is not perplexing. The only way it happens is by controlled demolition.

www.ae911truth.org

I don't subscribe to any wild scenarios. All I really know is that the physics isn't right. The more that a person reads about it, the more a person can see that something is fishy.

What has to be asked is this: Who benefits?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:17 pm 
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Are you a trained and licenced demolishions expert, or do you believe everything the internet tells you? :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:42 pm 
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Of course not! I just have a little common sense!

These guys have credentials:

www.ae911truth.org

I've been through this too many times. Just read about it. I don't believe anything. With physics, we don't have to. Buildings don't fall down like that without a lot of well-placed explosives.

I'm not alone in that assertion. It's mostly an internet thing, for sure. It's too good for television.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:23 am 
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More broken promises from the O'bomber...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/07/24-9

Why didn't he even try to raise the minimum wage? He had two years of a Democrat Congress...

1 in 4 private sector workers make less than 10 bucks an hour...

http://truth-out.org/news/item/10515-st ... 10-an-hour

Gitmo, medical marijuana, minimum wage...why hasn't our pResident followed through on his promises?

Because he is a coward.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:27 am 
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A rope leash wrote:
More broken promises from the O'bomber...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/07/24-9

Why didn't he even try to raise the minimum wage? He had two years of a Democrat Congress...

1 in 4 private sector workers make less than 10 bucks an hour...

http://truth-out.org/news/item/10515-st ... 10-an-hour

Gitmo, medical marijuana, minimum wage...why hasn't our pResident followed through on his promises?

Because he is a coward.



You need to think outside the box about this one, National Security Briefings...thats why there is no explanation for the change of direction and/or lack of action... :smoke:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:17 am 
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...and the national security reason for not raising the minimum wage is...?

What pResidents find out in thier "national security briefing" is that they must do what they are told, or they will die. I remember Our Obama looking quite ill in his first few days in office.

He is a coward.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:47 am 
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A rope leash wrote:
...and the national security reason for not raising the minimum wage is...?

What pResidents find out in thier "national security briefing" is that they must do what they are told, or they will die. I remember Our Obama looking quite ill in his first few days in office.

He is a coward.



I will give the minimum wage and what you say about following the advise of the powers that be is cautionary tale when you thing about the last guy that was going against the Milatiary industrial complex...JFK... :smoke:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:36 am 
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Yep...but I really think Obama has laid down as pResident. He hasn't done much, really, but garuantee the continuation of of GWB's policies.

Even his biggest "achievement"...health care reform...was simply a sell out to the insurers.

I'll bet that if a Rebublican pResident had come out with the same "health-care reform" program, it would have passed just as easily, and there would have been less controversy. It isn't socialism, it's fascism...and neither party is against that.

A real man with real balls would tell the DEA to lay off mediacl marijuana, close Gitmo, and present legislation to raise the minimum wage. But, he doesn't really seem to be doing anything at all. He's the same as he always was, a lot of words saying nothing.

He might as well be replaced by Romney. What's the difference?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:59 pm 
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Here's a good link that describes what I'm talking about...

http://www.examiner.com/article/war-mon ... ope-change

There has been no change, and there is little hope.

It wasn't hope, it was hype.

Could someone make that poster for me?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:30 pm 
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A rope leash wrote:
Yep...but I really think Obama has laid down as pResident. He hasn't done much, really, but garuantee the continuation of of GWB's policies.

Even his biggest "achievement"...health care reform...was simply a sell out to the insurers.

I'll bet that if a Rebublican pResident had come out with the same "health-care reform" program, it would have passed just as easily, and there would have been less controversy. It isn't socialism, it's fascism...and neither party is against that.

A real man with real balls would tell the DEA to lay off mediacl marijuana, close Gitmo, and present legislation to raise the minimum wage. But, he doesn't really seem to be doing anything at all. He's the same as he always was, a lot of words saying nothing.

He might as well be replaced by Romney. What's the difference?



Technically, the current unemployment rate is lower than it was during Obama's first full month as president.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

By election time, it will be lower than it is now.


Then of course, he got Bin Laden. The single greatest American achievement since WWII.

Then there's health care reform.

Of course, gas prices are are cheaper than they were at their peak under Bush.

The housing market is the better now than when he took office.

The list goes on...Your Republican mythology is just that. Mythology.

Every single one of your racist excuses has been fully debunked.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:13 pm 
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No real rebuttal...you just say he did good things and call me a racist, and you win. It's the American way.

Getting bin Laden was the greatest achievment since WWII? Where's the body?

Gas is cheaper? The pResident sets gas prices? Who knew? Just what did the man do to lower the price? More bombing?

The housing market is better? Than what? My ex-wife used to do mortage loans. She had to get out of that, and now she does foreclosures!

Unemployment will be better before the election? I'm sure they will manipulate the numbers somehow, but the fact is there are many millions out of work, and those that do work are working for less.

Really, SPACEBROTHER...we've been over all this already. You just don't read well, or you don't read at all, so what is the point of responding to you? So I can rehash the same old shit that you did not adequately respond to before?

I could paste more links, but why don't you read what I've already posted? The guy has done nothing to change anything...

...and you know it, you just will not remit to the failure of your defense of his administration.

O well...same as it ever was...


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:34 pm 
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Plook wrote:
A rope leash wrote:
More broken promises from the O'bomber...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/07/24-9

Why didn't he even try to raise the minimum wage? He had two years of a Democrat Congress...

1 in 4 private sector workers make less than 10 bucks an hour...

http://truth-out.org/news/item/10515-st ... 10-an-hour

Gitmo, medical marijuana, minimum wage...why hasn't our pResident followed through on his promises?

Because he is a coward.


You need to think outside the box about this one, National Security Briefings...thats why there is no explanation for the change of direction and/or lack of action... :smoke:


:roll:

Constantly giving your current President excuses for why he hasn't done SHIT in the past four years, is purely pathetic.

tweedle-dumb wrote:
Technically, the current unemployment rate is lower than it was during Obama's first full month as president.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

By election time, it will be lower than it is now.


:roll:

Wrong. Look at the U-3 unemployment rate (which is not even remotely close to accurate...but the U-6 unemployment rate is...http://portalseven.com/employment/unemp ... ate_u6.jsp) table AGAIN. Obama assumed office on January 20, 2009.

As for your other nonsensical crap...I'm glad A rope leash is handing you your ass, so I don't have to. Thanks, Arp. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:52 pm 
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If you keep saying it over and over you either believe it or it stops making sense.With A rope leashes post it's the latter.All his post are about and against Obama's politics.Everyone joins Zappa.com just to talk politics.Your like Trendmonger doggedly persuing a lost cause,from people who no longer trust or believe you.Why would we try and have a conversation with a wall or a rope leash? :roll:

Obama 2012! You just made up my mind.If you are screaming this loud now and distorting/slanting/anything you can about him,he must be doing something right and you're scared of losing again.Nevermind the reason.We know that he can't match Mitt dollar for dollar.Neither did our Governor Jerry Brown when he beat Meg Whitman.She threw 110 million of her own money away on a campaign + the pacs.She tried to outspend Brown on a negitive campaign.Californians see right through that " I feel you,I know what it's like to struggle crap".If she did she wouldn't of run and gave the money to charity.Mitts trying the same thing with his Pacs.Where's his tax records? Where is Mitts money? How dare I!? Why if Mitt gets in there will be a law barring anyone from asking unpleasent questions like that.But that won't effect you,only Obama supporters. :roll:

Where California goes so goes the country.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:03 am 
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I do not see any support at all for Mitt on this board. So why go there?

Why would Disco's last post make you go for Obama? Maybe you were there already? O...I get it...Kaptain Kirk and SPACEBROTHER are the same person! It makes sense now!

I used to think Jery Brown was the greatest. In a way, I'm glad he's governor again, but he's not the hero he used to be.

As California goes, so goes the country? Ha ha...I hope not! When I was out there in March, it was pretty bad...lots of poverty in the central valley, lots of homeless people in the Bay Area being stepped on by worried-looking ex-yuppies. I love California, but what happened to all the opportunity?

Let me guess...Republicans did something with it. Why can't you see that the problem is both parties, and vote them out?


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LOL...Exactly!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:21 pm 
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How would you know that, plook...unless you watch a lot of FOX News?

Eric Holde has been in bed with John Corzine it seems...metaphorically...

http://dailybail.com/home/corzine-crony ... -ag-e.html

No wonder Holder has been lazy in pursuing him. There is talk of a Special Prosecutor for this clearly unethical behavior. No telling what else they find...more blowjobs in the Oval Office, probably.

...and...O yes...the Pentagon has said some time ago that there is no photographic evidence that bin Laden was killed by our forces. Without a body to drag around, how can you be certain of your victorious bloodlust?

http://www.paltelegraph.com/world/world ... death.html

As it is with the slime-infected, the television would never lie if it is saying something we want to hear.

Don't you get it? They are playing you...


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Yes yes, everyone in the world is a puppet but you. I, for one, actually agree with your incredible cynicism for our current party system, but for the love of god, find a new tune to whistle. Yes, the media is a tool of the establishment. Yes, they are all corrupt bastards out for themselves and probably all on the same team. It's not even annoying, frustrating, engaging or interesting anymore. Your posts have become like going to the mailbox. You always know what you're going to get when you open it.

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O! You wish to be entertained?


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It's an open board. I'm cramming nothing. You are free to digest if you wish...


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Watch FOX news, I try too once in a while and I almost barf, but I don't need to watch them Jon Stewart has their number and reveals all their Blacky McBlackman sentiments while pulling archieval material that shows they said the exact oppisite of what they are saying now...can not afford to miss an episode of the Daily Show...he reveals the hipocracy of it all...

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I'm too busy being Muslim to care anymore. At least Obama did one thing right.

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calvin2hikers wrote:
I'm too busy being Muslim to care anymore. At least Obama did one thing right.

I'll bite,what's that 1 thing cal? :|

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